Hey everyone. Just a quick question here. If I was linking Elrond or the Army of elves that fought alongside men in the battle of Helms Deep to D&D elves, would they be High Elves?
I know that Thranduil and his forces are very obviously wood elves. But I’m specifically on about Elrond and his forces and those at the battle of Helms Deep (as they were sent by Elrond to help).
Elrond and the elves of Rivendell are Noldor, so they’re High Elves. But the elves at Helm’s Deep in the movie (they didn’t go there in the book) aren’t really clear. Their commander, Haldir, is definitely a Wood Elf, a Silvan from Lorien. But the aesthetic of his army is more in line with Rivendell and the Noldor. Honestly, I suspect Peter Jackson just didn’t think this one through.
So, long answer short, we don’t know. But Elrond is definitely a High Elf, so I’d go with that.
Elrond and the elves of Rivendell are Noldor, so they’re High Elves. But the elves at Helm’s Deep in the movie (they didn’t go there in the book) aren’t really clear. Their commander, Haldir, is definitely a Wood Elf, a Silvan from Lorien. But the aesthetic of his army is more in line with Rivendell and the Noldor. Honestly, I suspect Peter Jackson just didn’t think this one through.
So, long answer short, we don’t know. But Elrond is definitely a High Elf, so I’d go with that.
Lothlorien is populated by Silvan elves though, and thats where they're from. So I think I'd assume their Wood Elves.
Noldor were exceedingly uncommon when LotR took place. Other than Galadriel there are probably only a couple outside of Rivendell, and even they're they are the minority. I don't think Elrond would qualify - his heritage is too unique. After spending some time looking at family trees, I'm not sure has any Noldor in him. Most notable: Human, Sindar Elf and Maia.
I'm relatively sure that the Noldor would be fey, not humanoids.
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Elrond was a very special case. He was born as one of a pair of twins. Elves are effectively immortal, but at some point they get to choose between being an Elf or being a Mortal. Elrond stayed an Elf, his brother chose to be a mortal, and he died. Elrond was very sad about it, that's why he's rather less than fond of Humans, and why he's so upset when his daughter wants to marry one. He knows how that turns out.
Tolkien created two base languages; Quenya and Sindarn. They all stared out speaking Quneya, which is the language of the High Elves, they split off into the Eldaran, who stayed as High Elves and the Sindarn, who turn out to be Wood Elves.
I find it amusing how many Half-Elves I've seen in D&D.
Not really surprising as the DnD elves don’t have the same sort of history as the elves of LOTR. in LOTR especially the silmarillian where Elrond and Eros first appear the elves are extremely xenophobic and mistrustful of almost all humans and for good reasons. Most DnD worlds don’t have a morgoth then sauron trying to wipe them out for thousands of years with the help of corrupted elves (Orcs) and corrupted humans. In LOTR all of middle earth was basically against the elves except three branches of humanity. In DnD worlds elves were the old rulers of the world and humans are the upstart new rulers so there is a whole lot more mixing which leads to a whole lot more half elves.
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Hey everyone. Just a quick question here. If I was linking Elrond or the Army of elves that fought alongside men in the battle of Helms Deep to D&D elves, would they be High Elves?
I know that Thranduil and his forces are very obviously wood elves. But I’m specifically on about Elrond and his forces and those at the battle of Helms Deep (as they were sent by Elrond to help).
Cheers.
Elrond and the elves of Rivendell are Noldor, so they’re High Elves. But the elves at Helm’s Deep in the movie (they didn’t go there in the book) aren’t really clear. Their commander, Haldir, is definitely a Wood Elf, a Silvan from Lorien. But the aesthetic of his army is more in line with Rivendell and the Noldor. Honestly, I suspect Peter Jackson just didn’t think this one through.
So, long answer short, we don’t know. But Elrond is definitely a High Elf, so I’d go with that.
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Lothlorien is populated by Silvan elves though, and thats where they're from. So I think I'd assume their Wood Elves.
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Noldor were exceedingly uncommon when LotR took place. Other than Galadriel there are probably only a couple outside of Rivendell, and even they're they are the minority. I don't think Elrond would qualify - his heritage is too unique. After spending some time looking at family trees, I'm not sure has any Noldor in him. Most notable: Human, Sindar Elf and Maia.
I'm relatively sure that the Noldor would be fey, not humanoids.
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Elrond is a half-elf, and his men were high elves.
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Elrond was a very special case. He was born as one of a pair of twins. Elves are effectively immortal, but at some point they get to choose between being an Elf or being a Mortal. Elrond stayed an Elf, his brother chose to be a mortal, and he died. Elrond was very sad about it, that's why he's rather less than fond of Humans, and why he's so upset when his daughter wants to marry one. He knows how that turns out.
Tolkien created two base languages; Quenya and Sindarn. They all stared out speaking Quneya, which is the language of the High Elves, they split off into the Eldaran, who stayed as High Elves and the Sindarn, who turn out to be Wood Elves.
I find it amusing how many Half-Elves I've seen in D&D.
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Not really surprising as the DnD elves don’t have the same sort of history as the elves of LOTR. in LOTR especially the silmarillian where Elrond and Eros first appear the elves are extremely xenophobic and mistrustful of almost all humans and for good reasons. Most DnD worlds don’t have a morgoth then sauron trying to wipe them out for thousands of years with the help of corrupted elves (Orcs) and corrupted humans. In LOTR all of middle earth was basically against the elves except three branches of humanity. In DnD worlds elves were the old rulers of the world and humans are the upstart new rulers so there is a whole lot more mixing which leads to a whole lot more half elves.
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