You do get feats and a subclass feature at those levels. I wonder if it was the idea under the ‘14 rules, where you’d add some int and get more spells prepared, even if there’s no slots added. Though by 15-16, you’re probably at a 20 int.
According to the wizard sidebar in PHB, "For each level of the spell, the process takes 2 hours and 50gp".
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Does anyone else find it weird that wizards do not gain any more spells when going from 11-12th level, from 13-4th level, and from 15-16th level?
Lets just clarify the OP is referring to prepared spells
They’re definitely not, because their prepared spells do increase at all those levels except 12th.
I believe Erik Soong has the right of it, and to answer the original question, I’d guess “probably not.” Folks have had ten years to familiarize themselves with spell slot progression and there are very obvious balance reasons that the table is what it is.
You seem to be responding to SagaTympana, but they said that prepared spells did increase and that spell slots don't. You've shown that spell slots don't.
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You seem to be responding to SagaTympana, but they said that prepared spells did increase and that spell slots don't. You've shown that spell slots don't.
And prepared spells don't from 11-12. If it was based on the fact that you are getting an Ability Score Improvement or Arcane Feature, I could understand, but at other levels you gain those things, plus more spell slots and more prepared spells.
They still get spells at these levels however. The Wizard is a very book-ended class (pun intended), where they get many of their features early on and at the end. The lull in number of spell slots and number prepared spells at a few of these middle levels could simply be allowing other classes to catch up in the around this time. The Wizard isn't hurting for power by this stage by any means anyway. Whenever they gain levels that also see a spell slots increase from level 3, not only do they get their normal number of free spells, but also, they see a free increase to learned spells from their subclass school.
So to answer the OP question: no, I do not find it weird.
They still get spells at these levels however. The Wizard is a very book-ended class (pun intended), where they get many of their features early on and at the end. The lull in number of spell slots and number prepared spells at a few of these middle levels could simply be allowing other classes to catch up in the around this time. The Wizard isn't hurting for power by this stage by any means anyway. Whenever they gain levels that also see a spell slots increase from level 3, not only do they get their normal number of free spells, but also, they see a free increase to learned spells from their subclass school.
So to answer the OP question: no, I do not find it weird.
So, at 11-12, the only thing that changes is the Ability Improvement. No change in prepared spells or spell slots. You are working to justify it.
Starting from 11th level, spell slot progression slows down because spells get extremely powerful. That's why starting from level 11 only every other level gives new spell slots.
I have no idea why 11-12 is the only step where number of prepared spells doesn't change. That is kind of weird.
Spells known changes with every level as per the description of the Spellbook:
Whenever you gain a Wizard level after 1, add two Wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook.
They still get spells at these levels however. The Wizard is a very book-ended class (pun intended), where they get many of their features early on and at the end. The lull in number of spell slots and number prepared spells at a few of these middle levels could simply be allowing other classes to catch up in the around this time. The Wizard isn't hurting for power by this stage by any means anyway. Whenever they gain levels that also see a spell slots increase from level 3, not only do they get their normal number of free spells, but also, they see a free increase to learned spells from their subclass school.
So to answer the OP question: no, I do not find it weird.
So, at 11-12, the only thing that changes is the Ability Improvement. No change in prepared spells or spell slots. You are working to justify it.
Yes, I am putting in some thought into the topic, as well we all should before raging over some trivial issue. Fortunately for me, there is no unreasonable burden placed on my mind when I look at the game as a whole and weigh the relative power level of Wizards when compared to other classes. If you want to be mad about Wizards having only an ASI at levels 11-12, go ahead and be mad about it. You also could try playing it to see if it makes sense in practice. From my experience, Wizards are extremely powerful in the middle tiers and greatly eclipse the power of other classes at this time. They aren't suffering by experiencing a slowdown here.
Starting from 11th level, spell slot progression slows down because spells get extremely powerful. That's why starting from level 11 only every other level gives new spell slots.
I have no idea why 11-12 is the only step where number of prepared spells doesn't change. That is kind of weird.
After level 2, up to level 13, spells known is the sum of all your spell slots.
Then you gain an extra one at level 14, and an additional two at 16.
It's just odd. They could've smoothed it out. The jump at level 5 makes sense, but they could've gone 13, 14, 15 at 9-11 and nobody much would've noticed or cared.
Yeah, there's a few places where they jumped. Only reason I noticed is because my campaign is about to hit 12th level and a BBEG is forthcoming. I wanted to see what the wizard might be able to do with said BBEG (because hopefully this will be epic for them) and noticed no more spells... sorta bummed.
I think there is a lot of miss communication in this thread, and a lot of poorly chosen words.
Your spell book rules:
It starts with six level 1 Wizard spells of your choice.
then
Whenever you gain a Wizard level after 1, add two Wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots
Next the table has a spot (levels 11~12) where you do not gain more spell slots, and does not increase your total number of prepared spells. This is clearly done to keep Wizard from being always the best choice for Spell Caster, as it already has access to the most spells. It might be a minor Nerf, but it allows Sorcerer to not get lapped in total spell power. That spot also marks where the number of total spell slots gained slows down. At another point the prepared spells becomes greater than the total number of spell slots.
I will post a screen shot of an excel document which adds the one missing label. Because total number of spells in your spell book gets kind of silly big. BTW the total spells in the spell book is based on not finding any spell scrolls. Because well if you find some off the scales progression.
Very nice. Don't forget the Savant feature of the Wizard subclasses starting from level 3. That adds two learned spells at level 3 and another spell at every level up that includes a new level of spell slots.
Does anyone else find it weird that wizards do not gain any more spells when going from 11-12th level, from 13-4th level, and from 15-16th level?
Do you mean spell slots? Because in both the 2014 rules and the 2024 rules, wizards get spells every level.
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You do get feats and a subclass feature at those levels.
I wonder if it was the idea under the ‘14 rules, where you’d add some int and get more spells prepared, even if there’s no slots added. Though by 15-16, you’re probably at a 20 int.
According to the wizard sidebar in PHB, "For each level of the spell, the process takes 2 hours and 50gp".
I offer limited scrolls from merchants, usually level 1-3 and rare ones up to 6. Scrolls are pretty common loot for me where I think it makes sense. I use the random treasure tables in the DMG and edit them how it's appropriate. If I think it's best for the party to have access to a spell, I'll just add it to the loot https://19216811.cam/ https://1921681001.id/ .
Lets just clarify the OP is referring to prepared spells
They’re definitely not, because their prepared spells do increase at all those levels except 12th.
I believe Erik Soong has the right of it, and to answer the original question, I’d guess “probably not.” Folks have had ten years to familiarize themselves with spell slot progression and there are very obvious balance reasons that the table is what it is.
No they don't.
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You seem to be responding to SagaTympana, but they said that prepared spells did increase and that spell slots don't. You've shown that spell slots don't.
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And prepared spells don't from 11-12. If it was based on the fact that you are getting an Ability Score Improvement or Arcane Feature, I could understand, but at other levels you gain those things, plus more spell slots and more prepared spells.
They still get spells at these levels however. The Wizard is a very book-ended class (pun intended), where they get many of their features early on and at the end. The lull in number of spell slots and number prepared spells at a few of these middle levels could simply be allowing other classes to catch up in the around this time. The Wizard isn't hurting for power by this stage by any means anyway. Whenever they gain levels that also see a spell slots increase from level 3, not only do they get their normal number of free spells, but also, they see a free increase to learned spells from their subclass school.
So to answer the OP question: no, I do not find it weird.
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So, at 11-12, the only thing that changes is the Ability Improvement. No change in prepared spells or spell slots. You are working to justify it.
Starting from 11th level, spell slot progression slows down because spells get extremely powerful. That's why starting from level 11 only every other level gives new spell slots.
I have no idea why 11-12 is the only step where number of prepared spells doesn't change. That is kind of weird.
Spells known changes with every level as per the description of the Spellbook:
Yes, I am putting in some thought into the topic, as well we all should before raging over some trivial issue. Fortunately for me, there is no unreasonable burden placed on my mind when I look at the game as a whole and weigh the relative power level of Wizards when compared to other classes. If you want to be mad about Wizards having only an ASI at levels 11-12, go ahead and be mad about it. You also could try playing it to see if it makes sense in practice. From my experience, Wizards are extremely powerful in the middle tiers and greatly eclipse the power of other classes at this time. They aren't suffering by experiencing a slowdown here.
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After level 2, up to level 13, spells known is the sum of all your spell slots.
Then you gain an extra one at level 14, and an additional two at 16.
It's just odd. They could've smoothed it out. The jump at level 5 makes sense, but they could've gone 13, 14, 15 at 9-11 and nobody much would've noticed or cared.
Yeah, there's a few places where they jumped. Only reason I noticed is because my campaign is about to hit 12th level and a BBEG is forthcoming. I wanted to see what the wizard might be able to do with said BBEG (because hopefully this will be epic for them) and noticed no more spells... sorta bummed.
I think there is a lot of miss communication in this thread, and a lot of poorly chosen words.
Your spell book rules:
then
Next the table has a spot (levels 11~12) where you do not gain more spell slots, and does not increase your total number of prepared spells. This is clearly done to keep Wizard from being always the best choice for Spell Caster, as it already has access to the most spells. It might be a minor Nerf, but it allows Sorcerer to not get lapped in total spell power. That spot also marks where the number of total spell slots gained slows down. At another point the prepared spells becomes greater than the total number of spell slots.
I will post a screen shot of an excel document which adds the one missing label. Because total number of spells in your spell book gets kind of silly big. BTW the total spells in the spell book is based on not finding any spell scrolls. Because well if you find some off the scales progression.
Very nice. Don't forget the Savant feature of the Wizard subclasses starting from level 3. That adds two learned spells at level 3 and another spell at every level up that includes a new level of spell slots.
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