I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on whether an alloy of adamantine and mithral is possible, or maybe mithral coated with adamantine. if so, what might the properties of this alloy might be?
My understanding of both metals would be that if you mixed them together you'd likely ruin what makes them both cool. You want something that is light-weight like Mithral and yet indestructible (and crit reducing) like Adamantine. Making an alloy of these two would be akin to mixing aluminium and lead.
You would likely be better off just enchanting an armor made of one of those metals with the property you want from the other.
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Mithral Armor's main feature is that it is light and thin enough to fit under normal clothing while still providing full protection, and does not impose disadvantage on stealth. Adamantine armor is so powerful that it negates the impact of critical hits. So if you had an alloy of the two I would say that the Adamantine would be too dense to be able to wear it under clothes, but would retain the lack of disadvantage on stealth... so you end up with traditional armor that negates critical hits and doesn't impose stealth disadvantage.
My understanding of both metals would be that if you mixed them together you'd likely ruin what makes them both cool. You want something that is light-weight like Mithral and yet indestructible (and crit reducing) like Adamantine. Making an alloy of these two would be akin to mixing aluminium and lead.
You would likely be better off just enchanting an armor made of one of those metals with the property you want from the other.
Ok cheers, one or the other and enchanting would be the way to go i guess haha thanks
Mitheral Armor Mithral is a light, flexible metal. A mithral chain shirt or breastplate can be worn under normal clothes. If the armor normally imposes disadvantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks or has a Strength requirement, the mithral version of the armor doesn't.
Adamantine Armor This suit of armor is reinforced with adamantine, one of the hardest substances in existence. While you're wearing it, any critical hit against you becomes a normal hit.
Clearly states adamantine armor is reinforced with adamantine while mitheral armour is made of mitheral. You don't have to make an alloy for a suit of armor to have both properties. It's mitheral armor reinforced with adamantine.
i guess first you have to ask what's admantine? If you look through legacy docs, most say admantine already is an alloy, it already has mithral in it. so if you take a bar of adamantine and a bar of mithral, you don't get an adamantine-mithral alloy...you get something else that has a high amount of mithral in it. I'd also say the adamantine is so diluted it no longer gives you that bonus.i
if you take bronze and add in a bunch of copper, you don't get a bronze-copper alloy - you get some other alloy (name it whatever you want) which has a lot of copper, some tin, and bits of other metals. the word 'bronze' disappears.
i guess first you have to ask what's admantine? If you look through legacy docs, most say admantine already is an alloy, it already has mithral in it. so if you take a bar of adamantine and a bar of mithral, you don't get an adamantine-mithral alloy...you get something else that has a high amount of mithral in it. I'd also say the adamantine is so diluted it no longer gives you that bonus.i
if you take bronze and add in a bunch of copper, you don't get a bronze-copper alloy - you get some other alloy (name it whatever you want) which has a lot of copper, some tin, and bits of other metals. the word 'bronze' disappears.
Where did you get this information because all resources from 3e to 5e I could find completely disagree with what your stating.In the 3.5 e php,3.5 e dmg,4e dmg,both pathfinder core rulebooks (seperate game but functionally the same here) and the 5e dmg it says admantine is a black metal from meatorites that were buried over time.
Hmm, good point, I grew up with AD&D where it was an alloy (see below)...I don't think there's a declaration in 5e that its not already an alloy (5e DMG doesn't talk about this, XGE does say its found in meteorites - but doesn't get into further details). Mithral sure (you find mithral ore in DMM and i think a couple other books), but not adamantine. WDDH prices adamantine bars at 100 gp per pound, but I haven't found anything that states whether its an alloy or a pure metal.
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Adamant: This is the pure metal form of the hard, jet-black ferromagnetic ore known as adamantite, from which the famous alloy adamantine is made. Adamant is rarely found in nature, but when it is, it is always be in large spherical pockets in hardened volcanic flows.
Adamantine: This alloy, of five-eighths adamant to two-eighths silver and one-eighth electrum (itself a natural alloy of silver and gold) retains the hardness of adamant, but combines it with a rugged durability that makes adamantine so hard to shatter that it is the favored substance for the making of war hammer heads, the best nonmithral armor, and harbor chains. (By one of the miracles granted by the gods, adamantine can also be derived by combining steel and mithral if one knows how).
Hmm, good point, I grew up with AD&D where it was an alloy (see below)...I don't think there's a declaration in 5e that its not already an alloy (5e DMG doesn't talk about this, XGE does say its found in meteorites - but doesn't get into further details). Mithral sure (you find mithral ore in DMM and i think a couple other books), but not adamantine. WDDH prices adamantine bars at 100 gp per pound, but I haven't found anything that states whether its an alloy or a pure metal.
Volo's Guide to all Things Magical
Adamant: This is the pure metal form of the hard, jet-black ferromagnetic ore known as adamantite, from which the famous alloy adamantine is made. Adamant is rarely found in nature, but when it is, it is always be in large spherical pockets in hardened volcanic flows.
Adamantine: This alloy, of five-eighths adamant to two-eighths silver and one-eighth electrum (itself a natural alloy of silver and gold) retains the hardness of adamant, but combines it with a rugged durability that makes adamantine so hard to shatter that it is the favored substance for the making of war hammer heads, the best nonmithral armor, and harbor chains. (By one of the miracles granted by the gods, adamantine can also be derived by combining steel and mithral if one knows how).
Adnd is 1.illegal sort of 2.not made by wotc
nothing there has relation on modern dnd because it's an illegal fan game with another setting.
furthermore you mention adamant the orgininal name of adamantine.So yeah after 1 and 2e they changed the name because they wanted too (perhaps for branding reasons or because adamant is also a normal english word?)
uhhhh, now that we're off topic.....so playing 5e while referencing 3.5e, 4e, and pathfinder is legal but me referencing 2e is illegal? not sure who issued your badge but pretty sure the laws your quoting are made of smoke.
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uhhhh, now that we're off topic.....so playing 5e while referencing 3.5e, 4e, and pathfinder is legal but me referencing 2e is illegal? not sure who issued your badge but pretty sure the laws your quoting are made of smoke.
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Adnd is not 2e it formed the basis of 2e.Adnd was made by fans who thought the rules of 1e were kinda stupid,They then used the Dnd trademark on the project which at the time is very illegal.After several years in copyright court Wotc chose to create 2e to include the rules in Adnd and the people who made Adnd were sued several times the amount of money they made from the project.
You never referenced 2e and the laws I am talking about are very real and the only reason 2-5e dnd even exist.
sure, you win. AD&D 2e is not AD&D. Due to this, Adamantine is now legally a pure metal, its definitively not an alloy and should not be treated as such at any table, homebrew or no.
So Adamantine was specifically identified as ultra hard meteorite metal in XGTE. Prior to that, mentions of Adamantine in 5e just described it as one of the hardest substances in existence, but not specifically a pure metal as XGTE later puts it. So at least in 5e Adamantine's pure meteorite nature is retroactive canon in relation to core/basic rules.
Your game's metallurgy is your game's metallurgy. In my game Adamanite is next to impossible to work with purely and needs other metals, often mithril to work at least as catalysts if not alloy bonds to give it the malleability for a smith or forge to work it. That worked Adamanite is called Adamantine. I'll accept whatever sanctions levied upon me by the Dungeons and Dragons Departmen of Natural Resources for my gross disregard for the Dungeons and Dragons Periodic Table of Precious Metals. I'll pay my fines in Electrum and Iron coin.
To the OP, if you want to chocolate and peanut butter the effects of mithril and adamantine to make something that tastes great to you, no one would stop you. It's up to you to decide whether weapons and arms of that sort are basically unobtainium or something challenging but possible to find through conventional exploration or trade.
Found myself here because in my game the presence of mithril and adamantine are actually the results of covert actions by celestials looking to give mortals a leg up against extra planar threats. It was very much a De Oppresso Liber "hearts and minds" thing that had the same impact that such IRL analogs did. Angels not accounting for blowback.
uhhhh, now that we're off topic.....so playing 5e while referencing 3.5e, 4e, and pathfinder is legal but me referencing 2e is illegal? not sure who issued your badge but pretty sure the laws your quoting are made of smoke.
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Adnd is not 2e it formed the basis of 2e.Adnd was made by fans who thought the rules of 1e were kinda stupid,They then used the Dnd trademark on the project which at the time is very illegal.After several years in copyright court Wotc chose to create 2e to include the rules in Adnd and the people who made Adnd were sued several times the amount of money they made from the project.
You never referenced 2e and the laws I am talking about are very real and the only reason 2-5e dnd even exist.
Dude! I don't know where you are getting this from, but no, AD&D was totally and completely an officially liscened product of TSR at the time and run alongside of Basic D&D; both of which existed in a 2e format. There is no illegality surrounding the AD&D brand, and NO 3rd party producers beyond the scope of OGL - which to this day, people do play 2e under.
Perhaps you are thinking of Sword and Sorcery?
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I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on whether an alloy of adamantine and mithral is possible, or maybe mithral coated with adamantine. if so, what might the properties of this alloy might be?
Would it be the ultimate armour?
Thanks
My understanding of both metals would be that if you mixed them together you'd likely ruin what makes them both cool. You want something that is light-weight like Mithral and yet indestructible (and crit reducing) like Adamantine. Making an alloy of these two would be akin to mixing aluminium and lead.
You would likely be better off just enchanting an armor made of one of those metals with the property you want from the other.
Mithral Armor's main feature is that it is light and thin enough to fit under normal clothing while still providing full protection, and does not impose disadvantage on stealth. Adamantine armor is so powerful that it negates the impact of critical hits. So if you had an alloy of the two I would say that the Adamantine would be too dense to be able to wear it under clothes, but would retain the lack of disadvantage on stealth... so you end up with traditional armor that negates critical hits and doesn't impose stealth disadvantage.
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Ok cheers, one or the other and enchanting would be the way to go i guess haha thanks
i guess first you have to ask what's admantine? If you look through legacy docs, most say admantine already is an alloy, it already has mithral in it. so if you take a bar of adamantine and a bar of mithral, you don't get an adamantine-mithral alloy...you get something else that has a high amount of mithral in it. I'd also say the adamantine is so diluted it no longer gives you that bonus.i
if you take bronze and add in a bunch of copper, you don't get a bronze-copper alloy - you get some other alloy (name it whatever you want) which has a lot of copper, some tin, and bits of other metals. the word 'bronze' disappears.
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Where did you get this information because all resources from 3e to 5e I could find completely disagree with what your stating.In the 3.5 e php,3.5 e dmg,4e dmg,both pathfinder core rulebooks (seperate game but functionally the same here) and the 5e dmg it says admantine is a black metal from meatorites that were buried over time.
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Hmm, good point, I grew up with AD&D where it was an alloy (see below)...I don't think there's a declaration in 5e that its not already an alloy (5e DMG doesn't talk about this, XGE does say its found in meteorites - but doesn't get into further details). Mithral sure (you find mithral ore in DMM and i think a couple other books), but not adamantine. WDDH prices adamantine bars at 100 gp per pound, but I haven't found anything that states whether its an alloy or a pure metal.
Volo's Guide to all Things Magical
Adamant: This is the pure metal form of the hard, jet-black ferromagnetic ore known as adamantite, from which the famous alloy adamantine is made. Adamant is rarely found in nature, but when it is, it is always be in large spherical pockets in hardened volcanic flows.
Adamantine: This alloy, of five-eighths adamant to two-eighths silver and one-eighth electrum (itself a natural alloy of silver and gold) retains the hardness of adamant, but combines it with a rugged durability that makes adamantine so hard to shatter that it is the favored substance for the making of war hammer heads, the best nonmithral armor, and harbor chains. (By one of the miracles granted by the gods, adamantine can also be derived by combining steel and mithral if one knows how).
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Adnd is 1.illegal sort of 2.not made by wotc
nothing there has relation on modern dnd because it's an illegal fan game with another setting.
furthermore you mention adamant the orgininal name of adamantine.So yeah after 1 and 2e they changed the name because they wanted too (perhaps for branding reasons or because adamant is also a normal english word?)
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uhhhh, now that we're off topic.....so playing 5e while referencing 3.5e, 4e, and pathfinder is legal but me referencing 2e is illegal? not sure who issued your badge but pretty sure the laws your quoting are made of smoke.
i smirk at you and slightly shake my head back and forth while wearing a look of mild amusement
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Adnd is not 2e it formed the basis of 2e.Adnd was made by fans who thought the rules of 1e were kinda stupid,They then used the Dnd trademark on the project which at the time is very illegal.After several years in copyright court Wotc chose to create 2e to include the rules in Adnd and the people who made Adnd were sued several times the amount of money they made from the project.
You never referenced 2e and the laws I am talking about are very real and the only reason 2-5e dnd even exist.
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sure, you win. AD&D 2e is not AD&D. Due to this, Adamantine is now legally a pure metal, its definitively not an alloy and should not be treated as such at any table, homebrew or no.
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So Adamantine was specifically identified as ultra hard meteorite metal in XGTE. Prior to that, mentions of Adamantine in 5e just described it as one of the hardest substances in existence, but not specifically a pure metal as XGTE later puts it. So at least in 5e Adamantine's pure meteorite nature is retroactive canon in relation to core/basic rules.
Your game's metallurgy is your game's metallurgy. In my game Adamanite is next to impossible to work with purely and needs other metals, often mithril to work at least as catalysts if not alloy bonds to give it the malleability for a smith or forge to work it. That worked Adamanite is called Adamantine. I'll accept whatever sanctions levied upon me by the Dungeons and Dragons Departmen of Natural Resources for my gross disregard for the Dungeons and Dragons Periodic Table of Precious Metals. I'll pay my fines in Electrum and Iron coin.
To the OP, if you want to chocolate and peanut butter the effects of mithril and adamantine to make something that tastes great to you, no one would stop you. It's up to you to decide whether weapons and arms of that sort are basically unobtainium or something challenging but possible to find through conventional exploration or trade.
Found myself here because in my game the presence of mithril and adamantine are actually the results of covert actions by celestials looking to give mortals a leg up against extra planar threats. It was very much a De Oppresso Liber "hearts and minds" thing that had the same impact that such IRL analogs did. Angels not accounting for blowback.
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Dude! I don't know where you are getting this from, but no, AD&D was totally and completely an officially liscened product of TSR at the time and run alongside of Basic D&D; both of which existed in a 2e format. There is no illegality surrounding the AD&D brand, and NO 3rd party producers beyond the scope of OGL - which to this day, people do play 2e under.
Perhaps you are thinking of Sword and Sorcery?
Thank you for your time and please have a very pleasant day.