Hail to all of you, adventurers and masters. I have doubts. MANY doubts. I introduce the topic: Recently, thanks to a Master who uses them, I started taking a look at all the third party manuals of d20. I am not a Powerplayer but I am educated enough to realize how much of what is inside those manuals is questionable, both positively and negatively. Now, taking a look I found a class that I fell in love with. I don't deny that if I could I would play it in every possible campaign. The Draconic Exemplar. It is essentially a Paragon class, a group of classes from Rite Publishing that follow a single thought : class and race do not always have to be distinct concepts, they can tie together monstrously well in certain cases. In this, in particular, we talk about how a race such as the Taninim (essentially a Dragonborn) can grow to become a real Colossal-sized dragon. Now, the problem is that the amount of factors such a class introduces makes it complicated to say the least. Although the Gameplay is essentially simple, (being a monstrous fire-breathing lizard capable of devastating a Fight WHEN IN OPEN SPACES, and being a useless burden CLOSED SPACES. In general, I find it relatively balanced (although still a third party) Now, while I was trying to build one character out of curiosity, the following doubts arose, mainly derived from the fact that being a growing dragon means that with this class your character grows in size every 4 levels, going from small to colossal. And even if it doesn't seem like it, it makes things a lot less understandable to me. The class claims that with each increase in size, your Strength, sometimes your Constitution, and the damage of natural attacks increase as well. Clear. It also claims that your Dexterity is diminished, and that although you are able to fly, you lose maneuverability the bigger you get. Also, you take up more space = more flanks. OK. My doubts are:
Do I still have to apply the NORMAL size rules? Because if that were the case, the Strength gain would lose meaning due to the Attack Rolls penalties, and the loss of AC, together with the -10 you get in Dexterity, DESTROYS YOUR Class Armor. Sure, you have an absurd amount of CMD and CMB, but it's not exactly a good trade
How should I handle natural attacks if I have such a reach? I know that maybe for those who follow the rules to the bitter end it can be stupid, but with a claw from a 4 meter arm shouldn't I be hitting a lot of enemies and also risk to hit my allies? It doesn't make sense that I can only hit 1 enemy when I'm huge, nor that my allies risk nothing.
Well, I don't have the book this class is from so I can't check the specifics, but I seem to recall creatures of such sizes typically get a Natural AC bonus in 1st ed Pathfinder (an Adult Chromatic has around +20 natural AC, I believe). So, are you sure you didn't overlook anything?
As for your 2nd question, that's something you really need to take up with your actual DM. Maybe I'm a little touchy that way, but I wouldn't appreciate my players using "this is how other DMs would do this" as an argument. If I'm not sure, I'll look for advice myself.
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Yeah, coming at your DM with "well, these people we don't really know on a Dungeons and Dragons board support what I want to do" wouldn't bolster a proposal from a player if I were the DM or whatever they call DMs in Pathfinder. If anything, it would probably further my thinking that you were out of line in this approach.
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Hail to all of you, adventurers and masters. I have doubts. MANY doubts. I introduce the topic: Recently, thanks to a Master who uses them, I started taking a look at all the third party manuals of d20. I am not a Powerplayer but I am educated enough to realize how much of what is inside those manuals is questionable, both positively and negatively. Now, taking a look I found a class that I fell in love with. I don't deny that if I could I would play it in every possible campaign. The Draconic Exemplar. It is essentially a Paragon class, a group of classes from Rite Publishing that follow a single thought : class and race do not always have to be distinct concepts, they can tie together monstrously well in certain cases. In this, in particular, we talk about how a race such as the Taninim (essentially a Dragonborn) can grow to become a real Colossal-sized dragon. Now, the problem is that the amount of factors such a class introduces makes it complicated to say the least. Although the Gameplay is essentially simple, (being a monstrous fire-breathing lizard capable of devastating a Fight WHEN IN OPEN SPACES, and being a useless burden CLOSED SPACES. In general, I find it relatively balanced (although still a third party) Now, while I was trying to build one character out of curiosity, the following doubts arose, mainly derived from the fact that being a growing dragon means that with this class your character grows in size every 4 levels, going from small to colossal. And even if it doesn't seem like it, it makes things a lot less understandable to me. The class claims that with each increase in size, your Strength, sometimes your Constitution, and the damage of natural attacks increase as well. Clear. It also claims that your Dexterity is diminished, and that although you are able to fly, you lose maneuverability the bigger you get. Also, you take up more space = more flanks. OK. My doubts are:
Do I still have to apply the NORMAL size rules? Because if that were the case, the Strength gain would lose meaning due to the Attack Rolls penalties, and the loss of AC, together with the -10 you get in Dexterity, DESTROYS YOUR Class Armor. Sure, you have an absurd amount of CMD and CMB, but it's not exactly a good trade
I think you'll have a better chance for answers on the Paizo boards. D&D Beyond is a resource/platform for D&D 5th edition, not for Pathfinder.
edit: even better, it turns out Rite Publishing has a forum as well (http://www.ritepublishingforums.com/forums/)
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Already asked there as well, but, you know, more opinions may let me know not only the answers but also how a master would handle those answers
Well, I don't have the book this class is from so I can't check the specifics, but I seem to recall creatures of such sizes typically get a Natural AC bonus in 1st ed Pathfinder (an Adult Chromatic has around +20 natural AC, I believe). So, are you sure you didn't overlook anything?
As for your 2nd question, that's something you really need to take up with your actual DM. Maybe I'm a little touchy that way, but I wouldn't appreciate my players using "this is how other DMs would do this" as an argument. If I'm not sure, I'll look for advice myself.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
Yeah, coming at your DM with "well, these people we don't really know on a Dungeons and Dragons board support what I want to do" wouldn't bolster a proposal from a player if I were the DM or whatever they call DMs in Pathfinder. If anything, it would probably further my thinking that you were out of line in this approach.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Is that first post written in Comic Sans?
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Yes. Cause megalovania.