Mind Blank makes you immune to Divination spells, sure enough, so you cannot read your own mind. Reading your future would not be a problem though. Your mind is not the target of Foresight. Your future is.
Tangentially, it seems like casting a spell to read your own mind would cause some kind of feedback and either do psychic damage, or drive you insane.
If you cast foresight first, does mind blank afterwards on self cancel foresight effectively?
It depends on how your DM interprets the word "immune"; there are two valid interpretations I can see:
Immunity works like Dispel Magic; Foresight ends immediately.
Immunity works like Antimagic Field; Foresight is suppressed (and doesn't do anything) while Mind Blank is also running, but if Mind Blank were to be dispelled, Foresight would kick back in.
If you cast foresight first, does mind blank afterwards on self cancel foresight effectively?
It depends on how your DM interprets the word "immune"; there are two valid interpretations I can see:
Immunity works like Dispel Magic; Foresight ends immediately.
Immunity works like Antimagic Field; Foresight is suppressed (and doesn't do anything) while Mind Blank is also running, but if Mind Blank were to be dispelled, Foresight would kick back in.
I would rule the latter (2) in this case. I think there's a fair bit of precedence within the rules for things making you immune and just suppressing effects (though I can't think of any off the top of my head). I think if it did dispel or end effects it should have to say so explicitly. Either way - you absolutely cannot benefit from Foresight while Mind Blank is on you.
Foresight lets you look into the future. It has nothing to do with your own mind. You aren't trying to divine what you are going to think, or what anyone else is going to think. You're trying to scry into what people, including yourself, and going to *do*. What does immunity to divination on yourself have to do with that?
Mind Blank makes you immune to "divination spells" not Divination generally - specifically spells - and Foresight is a divination spell. Therefore you're immune to Foresight while you are under the effects of Mind Blank (and afterwards if you go with interpretation 1 qundraco mentioned).
Foresight lets you look into the future. It has nothing to do with your own mind. You aren't trying to divine what you are going to think, or what anyone else is going to think. You're trying to scry into what people, including yourself, and going to *do*. What does immunity to divination on yourself have to do with that?
Because mechanically, mind blank makes the target immune to divination spells, full stop. no matter its mechanic or intent, foresight is a divination spell, so the target is immune to its effects. For the record, I second Emmber that mind blank would suppress the effect of an already active foresight on the target, not end it outright.
A more interesting debate would be, if mind blank makes the target immune to divination spells, would it stop a different creature with foresight active on it from getting the disadvantage on attacks against the blanked creature? I'd rule yes it would.
You cast Foresight. You already had it up before you cast Mind Blank. You now remember what the future might be. Does Mind Blank blank out your memory?
Maybe not the immediate 6 seconds after getting Mind Blanked - but absolutely after that. Because Foresight only lets you see about 1 round into the future.
The Duration of Foresight is 8 hours, not one round.
It says you see into the "immediate" future. The implied mechanic is you are seeing things right before they happen, and can react accordingly. Its basically like Peter Parker's spidey-sense.
The effect lasts 8 hours, it doesn't let you see the whole 8 hours like a movie beforehand
Yes. Exactly like Spider-Sense. For the next 8 hours after you cast the spell, you can see into the future and adjust your actions accordingly. This gives you an advantage in everything you do. What does Mind Blank have to do with that? It keeps people from using Divination spells on *you*. You can still *cast* Divination spells if you want to. Why would it cancel out one already in place?
Sure you can cast divination spells - but Mind Blank makes you immune to them so if you cast any on yourself or already have some on you - they stop effecting you - because you are immune. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that? If you're immune to divination spells - you're immune to Foresight.
If you're immune to divination spells - you're immune to Foresight.
Exactly; immune means immune.
As to Foresight itself, it's pretty straight-forward:
You touch a willing creature and bestow a limited ability to see into the immediate future. For the duration, the target can't be surprised and has advantage on attack rolls, ability checks, and saving throws. Additionally, other creatures have disadvantage on attack rolls against the target for the duration.
This spell immediately ends if you cast it again before its duration ends.
A limited ability to see into the immediate future. It's an ongoing effect (for up to 8 hours), so it ceases to continue functioning while you are immune to divination.
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You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Immune can mean not effected but it can also mean protected from. Using the protected from definition, Mind Blank wouldn’t cancel or suspend the effect of Foresight for the protected caster but it would prevent Foresight from being used against the protected caster.
Immune can mean not effected but it can also mean protected from. Using the protected from definition, Mind Blank wouldn’t cancel or suspend the effect of Foresight for the protected caster but it would prevent Foresight from being used against the protected caster.
On that basis then - if a character was immune to diseases (e.g. Paladin) - but was attacked by a creature that applied a purely beneficial disease - would you say they can get the disease? Even though they are immune - just because it's not harmful? That feels highly suspect.
Immune can mean not effected but it can also mean protected from. Using the protected from definition, Mind Blank wouldn’t cancel or suspend the effect of Foresight for the protected caster but it would prevent Foresight from being used against the protected caster.
Foresight is a buff, not a debuff. Mind Blank making you immune doesn't make the buffed person immune to their buff.
For an example of what you're thinking of, Mind Blank will block Hunter's Mark.
Immune can mean not effected but it can also mean protected from. Using the protected from definition, Mind Blank wouldn’t cancel or suspend the effect of Foresight for the protected caster but it would prevent Foresight from being used against the protected caster.
On that basis then - if a character was immune to diseases (e.g. Paladin) - but was attacked by a creature that applied a purely beneficial disease - would you say they can get the disease? Even though they are immune - just because it's not harmful? That feels highly suspect.
I mean, yes? There are no beneficial diseases or poisons that exist in the game, because any such thing would not be called a disease or a poison. But even so, if someone were immune to things generally but wanted to be affected by the buff of a purely beneficial version of those things then I would allow it.
In fact, this is the very first example of any situation where the word immunity has been used in these rules when referring to something that could possibly be beneficial. It is just not used in that context in these rules. I take that to mean that RAI is that this is a purely protective immunity - and does not mean "cannot be affected by", but rather "cannot be harmed by or affected by against your will".
Immune can mean not effected but it can also mean protected from. Using the protected from definition, Mind Blank wouldn’t cancel or suspend the effect of Foresight for the protected caster but it would prevent Foresight from being used against the protected caster.
Foresight is a buff, not a debuff. Mind Blank making you immune doesn't make the buffed person immune to their buff.
For an example of what you're thinking of, Mind Blank will block Hunter's Mark.
There is absolutely no general rule that says immunity is conditional, and only works against things you want it to work against, except in the very few specific instances where that is specifically listed, such as in the rakshasa's limited magic immunity, which does say something along the lines of "...unless it chooses to be affected").
mind blank offers no such intent or clarification, no language other than the target being immune to divination spells, full stop. It does not matter the intent of the divination spell, nor the mechanics; if it is a divination spell, mind blank makes you immune to it, so you don't get to use the effects of foresight even if they are beneficial.
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If you cast foresight first, does mind blank afterwards on self cancel foresight effectively?
Mind Blank makes you immune to Divination spells, sure enough, so you cannot read your own mind. Reading your future would not be a problem though. Your mind is not the target of Foresight. Your future is.
Tangentially, it seems like casting a spell to read your own mind would cause some kind of feedback and either do psychic damage, or drive you insane.
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It depends on how your DM interprets the word "immune"; there are two valid interpretations I can see:
I would rule the latter (2) in this case. I think there's a fair bit of precedence within the rules for things making you immune and just suppressing effects (though I can't think of any off the top of my head). I think if it did dispel or end effects it should have to say so explicitly.
Either way - you absolutely cannot benefit from Foresight while Mind Blank is on you.
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That has me puzzled.
Foresight lets you look into the future. It has nothing to do with your own mind. You aren't trying to divine what you are going to think, or what anyone else is going to think. You're trying to scry into what people, including yourself, and going to *do*. What does immunity to divination on yourself have to do with that?
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Mind Blank makes you immune to "divination spells" not Divination generally - specifically spells - and Foresight is a divination spell. Therefore you're immune to Foresight while you are under the effects of Mind Blank (and afterwards if you go with interpretation 1 qundraco mentioned).
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Because mechanically, mind blank makes the target immune to divination spells, full stop. no matter its mechanic or intent, foresight is a divination spell, so the target is immune to its effects. For the record, I second Emmber that mind blank would suppress the effect of an already active foresight on the target, not end it outright.
A more interesting debate would be, if mind blank makes the target immune to divination spells, would it stop a different creature with foresight active on it from getting the disadvantage on attacks against the blanked creature? I'd rule yes it would.
You cast Foresight. You already had it up before you cast Mind Blank. You now remember what the future might be. Does Mind Blank blank out your memory?
Mucking around with the future is very confusing.
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Maybe not the immediate 6 seconds after getting Mind Blanked - but absolutely after that. Because Foresight only lets you see about 1 round into the future.
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The Duration of Foresight is 8 hours, not one round.
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It says you see into the "immediate" future. The implied mechanic is you are seeing things right before they happen, and can react accordingly. Its basically like Peter Parker's spidey-sense.
The effect lasts 8 hours, it doesn't let you see the whole 8 hours like a movie beforehand
Yes. Exactly like Spider-Sense. For the next 8 hours after you cast the spell, you can see into the future and adjust your actions accordingly. This gives you an advantage in everything you do. What does Mind Blank have to do with that? It keeps people from using Divination spells on *you*. You can still *cast* Divination spells if you want to. Why would it cancel out one already in place?
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Sure you can cast divination spells - but Mind Blank makes you immune to them so if you cast any on yourself or already have some on you - they stop effecting you - because you are immune. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that? If you're immune to divination spells - you're immune to Foresight.
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Exactly; immune means immune.
As to Foresight itself, it's pretty straight-forward:
A limited ability to see into the immediate future. It's an ongoing effect (for up to 8 hours), so it ceases to continue functioning while you are immune to divination.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Immune can mean not effected but it can also mean protected from. Using the protected from definition, Mind Blank wouldn’t cancel or suspend the effect of Foresight for the protected caster but it would prevent Foresight from being used against the protected caster.
Ya hard to tell, I searched a ton on several sites without seeing it discussed beyond dm discretion
On that basis then - if a character was immune to diseases (e.g. Paladin) - but was attacked by a creature that applied a purely beneficial disease - would you say they can get the disease? Even though they are immune - just because it's not harmful? That feels highly suspect.
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Highest 41: brocker2001 (#11,285).
Yahtzee of 2's: Emmber (#36,161).
Lowest 9: JoeltheWalrus (#312), Emmber (#12,505) and Dertinus (#20,953).
Foresight is a buff, not a debuff. Mind Blank making you immune doesn't make the buffed person immune to their buff.
For an example of what you're thinking of, Mind Blank will block Hunter's Mark.
I mean, yes? There are no beneficial diseases or poisons that exist in the game, because any such thing would not be called a disease or a poison. But even so, if someone were immune to things generally but wanted to be affected by the buff of a purely beneficial version of those things then I would allow it.
In fact, this is the very first example of any situation where the word immunity has been used in these rules when referring to something that could possibly be beneficial. It is just not used in that context in these rules. I take that to mean that RAI is that this is a purely protective immunity - and does not mean "cannot be affected by", but rather "cannot be harmed by or affected by against your will".
There is absolutely no general rule that says immunity is conditional, and only works against things you want it to work against, except in the very few specific instances where that is specifically listed, such as in the rakshasa's limited magic immunity, which does say something along the lines of "...unless it chooses to be affected").
mind blank offers no such intent or clarification, no language other than the target being immune to divination spells, full stop. It does not matter the intent of the divination spell, nor the mechanics; if it is a divination spell, mind blank makes you immune to it, so you don't get to use the effects of foresight even if they are beneficial.