If you multi-class with a class that gives you multiple attacks and you have thirsting blade it says you can attack twice if you use your hex weapon. So am i right in saying that if you have a class that gives you (for example) 2 attacks you can actually attack 4 times in that round?
If you have a feature that says you can attack twice when you take the Attack action and gain another feature that says you can attack twice when you take the Attack action, then you can attack twice. It doesn't stack.
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It is not possible. Extra attack features don't stack.
Extra Attack
If you gain the Extra Attack class feature from more than one class, the features don't add together. You can't make more than two attacks with this feature unless it says you do (as the fighter's version of Extra Attack does). Similarly, the warlock's eldritch invocation Thirsting Blade doesn't give you additional attacks if you also have Extra Attack.
Example - Fighter get 2 attacks at say 5th level that is not a feature? ( or is it?)
Then apply the warlock thirsting blade which states whenever you take an attack action you can attack twice....
i believe its possible?
Doesn't work that way. Having Extra Attack from 5 levels of Fighter makes Thirsting Blade redundant. The same way that the Extra Attack class features from Fighter 5 and Paladin 5 are redundant. They don't say "you can make two more attacks", they say "you can attack twice". Once you've attacked twice, you've done what both Extra Attack and Thirsting Blade say you can do. What taking 5 levels of Fighter lets you do is skip Thirsting Blade and take a different Invocation.
What taking 5 levels of Fighter lets you do is skip Thirsting Blade and take a different Invocation.
Of course, 5 more levels of warlock would have gotten you at least 1 (probably 2) invocations anyway.
True, though the Fighter levels would also provide a Fighting Style, Action Surge and Second Wind, so there's still some value in taking them if you want to focus more on the martial side and less on the magic.
What taking 5 levels of Fighter lets you do is skip Thirsting Blade and take a different Invocation.
Of course, 5 more levels of warlock would have gotten you at least 1 (probably 2) invocations anyway.
True, though the Fighter levels would also provide a Fighting Style, Action Surge and Second Wind, so there's still some value in taking them if you want to focus more on the martial side and less on the magic.
Yeah, I can see taking 2 levels to get Action Surge and Second Wind, but with Pact of the Blade, you already have a warlock Pact so might as well keep going and get the full benefit of the warlock. It all comes down to if you want to be a Fighter with a few Warlock features or a Warlock with a few Fighter features. Honestly, the invocations have a lot more options. You can get utility out of buffs to proficiency, a slow, a yoink, make EB have ridiculous range, ect.
What taking 5 levels of Fighter lets you do is skip Thirsting Blade and take a different Invocation.
Of course, 5 more levels of warlock would have gotten you at least 1 (probably 2) invocations anyway.
True, though the Fighter levels would also provide a Fighting Style, Action Surge and Second Wind, so there's still some value in taking them if you want to focus more on the martial side and less on the magic.
Yeah, I can see taking 2 levels to get Action Surge and Second Wind, but with Pact of the Blade, you already have a warlock Pact so might as well keep going and get the full benefit of the warlock. It all comes down to if you want to be a Fighter with a few Warlock features or a Warlock with a few Fighter features. Honestly, the invocations have a lot more options. You can get utility out of buffs to proficiency, a slow, a yoink, make EB have ridiculous range, ect.
For me personally, Warlock is a class that if I play it, at most I'll dip a couple of levels elsewhere, but I'm a Warlock first and foremost. I just feel that the Warlock/Patron relationship is such that many patrons would be....miffed if they felt their Warlocks weren't taking it seriously :) Plus I hate seeing people describe their optimized-to-death builds that involve taking a couple of Warlock levels purely for mechanical benefit. I think that runs contrary to the whole premise of the class. I know others disagree, but it's how I view things.
For me personally, Warlock is a class that if I play it, at most I'll dip a couple of levels elsewhere, but I'm a Warlock first and foremost. I just feel that the Warlock/Patron relationship is such that many patrons would be....miffed if they felt their Warlocks weren't taking it seriously :) Plus I hate seeing people describe their optimized-to-death builds that involve taking a couple of Warlock levels purely for mechanical benefit. I think that runs contrary to the whole premise of the class. I know others disagree, but it's how I view things.
Yeah, my Warlock is very focused on her patron. She sits in the dark, whispering things to her. Stuff that happened that day, her dreams, anything that might be interesting. And, as a result, her pact weapon has grown stronger as she's leveled up. It's basically the only weapon she wants to use, and it "guides" her actions. It's not sentient, in any real way, but it grows cold when there's an enemy that her patron finds particularly offensive. So, yeah, she's in no way "optimized" from a damage / defense point of view - (her sword is 2 handed, so she can't use a shield...) and she gets hit, takes damage, and doesn't give AF enough to back away - she just goes in for more combat. She's super fun to play. And, since her pact weapon is her de facto weapon of choice, Thirsting Blade makes total sense for her.
There is also the issue that often those Optimized-to-death builds that do more than dip into maybe one other class actually tend to fall a bit flat in practice even though they look so great on paper and they can be annoying to try and play up because things are often getting delayed or it spends almost all it's time not really playing up to it's full max-build potential that's really only going to see use for a very short time.
But I'm another one like you guys that see Warlock as being one of those things that while you might stray a bit. Straying too far could lead to some serious consequences...Like NPC's that are more obedient and willing to take the power and tow the line coming to wipe you out when your friends aren't necessarily there to save you.
That's not to say I don't see thematic reason or even value in some dual-builds. 5 levels of fighter before going into warlock can be potent enough on it's own. And I've always been one to feel that EB while useful is a rather over rated spell that too many put too much stock in. Warlocks can match it's damage capability in other ways.
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Example - Fighter get 2 attacks at say 5th level that is not a feature? ( or is it?)
Then apply the warlock thirsting blade which states whenever you take an attack action you can attack twice....
i believe its possible?
It is not possible. Extra attack features don't stack.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/customization-options#ClassFeatures
Doesn't work that way. Having Extra Attack from 5 levels of Fighter makes Thirsting Blade redundant. The same way that the Extra Attack class features from Fighter 5 and Paladin 5 are redundant. They don't say "you can make two more attacks", they say "you can attack twice". Once you've attacked twice, you've done what both Extra Attack and Thirsting Blade say you can do. What taking 5 levels of Fighter lets you do is skip Thirsting Blade and take a different Invocation.
Of course, 5 more levels of warlock would have gotten you at least 1 (probably 2) invocations anyway.
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True, though the Fighter levels would also provide a Fighting Style, Action Surge and Second Wind, so there's still some value in taking them if you want to focus more on the martial side and less on the magic.
Yeah, I can see taking 2 levels to get Action Surge and Second Wind, but with Pact of the Blade, you already have a warlock Pact so might as well keep going and get the full benefit of the warlock. It all comes down to if you want to be a Fighter with a few Warlock features or a Warlock with a few Fighter features. Honestly, the invocations have a lot more options. You can get utility out of buffs to proficiency, a slow, a yoink, make EB have ridiculous range, ect.
For me personally, Warlock is a class that if I play it, at most I'll dip a couple of levels elsewhere, but I'm a Warlock first and foremost. I just feel that the Warlock/Patron relationship is such that many patrons would be....miffed if they felt their Warlocks weren't taking it seriously :) Plus I hate seeing people describe their optimized-to-death builds that involve taking a couple of Warlock levels purely for mechanical benefit. I think that runs contrary to the whole premise of the class. I know others disagree, but it's how I view things.
Yeah, my Warlock is very focused on her patron. She sits in the dark, whispering things to her. Stuff that happened that day, her dreams, anything that might be interesting.
And, as a result, her pact weapon has grown stronger as she's leveled up. It's basically the only weapon she wants to use, and it "guides" her actions. It's not sentient, in any real way, but it grows cold when there's an enemy that her patron finds particularly offensive. So, yeah, she's in no way "optimized" from a damage / defense point of view - (her sword is 2 handed, so she can't use a shield...) and she gets hit, takes damage, and doesn't give AF enough to back away - she just goes in for more combat. She's super fun to play. And, since her pact weapon is her de facto weapon of choice, Thirsting Blade makes total sense for her.
There is also the issue that often those Optimized-to-death builds that do more than dip into maybe one other class actually tend to fall a bit flat in practice even though they look so great on paper and they can be annoying to try and play up because things are often getting delayed or it spends almost all it's time not really playing up to it's full max-build potential that's really only going to see use for a very short time.
But I'm another one like you guys that see Warlock as being one of those things that while you might stray a bit. Straying too far could lead to some serious consequences...Like NPC's that are more obedient and willing to take the power and tow the line coming to wipe you out when your friends aren't necessarily there to save you.
That's not to say I don't see thematic reason or even value in some dual-builds. 5 levels of fighter before going into warlock can be potent enough on it's own. And I've always been one to feel that EB while useful is a rather over rated spell that too many put too much stock in. Warlocks can match it's damage capability in other ways.