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 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

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It’s not that OP. 

But I don’t really know because I’m using these guys against a 7th level party as a warmup encounter.

Is there a limit to how many swarms can be in the same square?

The character builder for beast master ranger shows this as a companion option. That must be an oversight, but now I really want to make a gnome beast master who calls on a swarm of bats to lift him up into the air by little rings on his armor.

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 Thinking Swarm of bats is OP... lol. Zombie has same health, but better abilities, and doesn't decrease damage when taking damage. And cannot be defened.

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 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

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its op

 

 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

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its op

 

 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

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its op

 

 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

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its op

 

 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

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its op

 

 Even more so when you realize that the basic level (3rd) Conjure Animals can summon EIGHT of these. Along with Swarm of Ravens it gets simply ridiculous :D Ravens better in usual situation, and bats better when dealing with an invisible/hidden enemy (bats don't give a shit - blindsight, baby!).

EDIT: Although it should be noted that Conjure Animals technically doesn't allow you to pick specifically what animal you want - just the CR category, and the DM chooses. Most will go along the roleplay, I guess, so if your druid prays to mother nature for "winged allies to carry the party over that chasm", the DM will likely bless you with a set of nice, plump Giant Owls.

 Conjure Animals cannot be used to summon swarms. Likewise a druid cannot wildshape into a swarm.

now imagine this, but butterflies. flower gardens have never been scarier lol

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I homebrew if someone is within the swarm they have disadvantage on perception checks and attacks. It makes sense if you've got 5+ bats screwing with you.

Technically I guess RAW any number of swarms can be in one 5ft square, but if you want a limit I guess maybe 4 swarms per square, just sorta treating them as tiny beasts. (normally 4 bats that aren't part of a swarm could occupy the same space)

I was thinking about making a rule that weapon attacks against a swarm have to have more than 1 hit to kill them all. If someone managed to do 44 points of damage in 1 melee attack, it doesn't really make sense that the whole swarm dies. AOE spells I am fine with.

Thoughts?

Roleplaying that out, I could see an "attack action" consisting of many quick swings or jabs. Otherwise, you might have to up the CR to accommodate the buff.

tpk a level 20 party cause the final boos was batman with like 60 swarms of these

I was just using this in a campaign and it defeated 2 of my characters. Greatest creature I have used yet!

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I have been in a game where multiple swarms attacked a party; once several were below half HP, some flew away but others merged to make full swarms again.

I also treat swarms as size large, there's no way 22 bats, tiny though they are, are going to fit in a single 5*5*5 cube/square while flying around. A 5ft Gelatinous Cube could eat that many though.