no real reason for them to change the drunken master part, even if they are forcing monks to be warriors strictly, the martial art in real life is called drunken boxing or drunken fist, why not use that, does not even require being actually drunk or intoxicated so makes even less sense to change it to intoxication

First, I totally agree with the monk subclass being stupidly named. Call it Way of the Drunken Fist/Master like it should be. Drunken Warrior, if one MUST call it "warrior" (which just sounds like they are trying to abolish the few jokes of Western Monks vs Eastern Monks). Anyways.

Oathbreaker is genuinely one of the worst possible subclasses in concept. If you break your oath, you should not gain brand new shiny powers, you should be LOST AND POWERLESS from the moment that oath is broken. The very existence of this "oath" is insulting to the very concept of the Paladin.

I genuinely hate the idea of a Paladin that falls being somehow painted as them doing something noble. And it's only worse to grant them new powers for doing so. "Oh, man, it sure sucks that you chose to defy your life-guiding oath. Here, have some new powers at no cost, it would be just terrible if you actually had to suffer any real consequences." If an oath doesn't really matter, just remove it completely as a concept.

This subclass existing puts in a bright light one of the biggest problems in class design: it is supremely rigid and there are no proper mechanics to support a change.

Also one of the worst problems about Paladin: It is for all sensible intents and purposes far better served as a subclass of Fighter, not a standalone class of its own. Just like Ranger should also be a Fighter subclass.

Except, that only sounds like a reason to break one's oath. "Wait, if I just kill that kid I suddenly get cool new powers like raising the dead to serve me? Dude, it's murder time! I thought my oath actually mattered!" You lose no core abilities of being a paladin, you just swap them for some cool edgy powers.

Seriously, this is no "oathbreaker", it's just a typical Evil-aligned paladin. Just call it Dark Paladin, which would be SO much better fitting.

The very concept of an oathbreaker "oath" is counter to the concept of the Paladin. If anything, the subclass features should be "You gain nothing. You must forge a new oath to serve under." and literally nothing else. It would not delete you being a Paladin, but would nerf you until you took on a new actual oath. It would also be one of the only ways to change subclasses by normal mechanics.

YES I like it!

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Also since people are railing on the Drunken Master/Warrior of Intoxication, might I propose a name that matches the new style, feels evocative, and is a closer translation to the original Chinese 醉拳?

The Warrior of the Drunken Fist

 Yes, if you are going to change the name, this is much better. 

Leave the level 3 feature for ancestral guardian alone. Splitting the resistance and disadvantage to be either or is not cool. I will defiantly be voicing my opinion once the survey opens 

Okay love the extra attack idea for the spiritual guardian except you’re sacrificing an increased chance for it if you use brutal strikes to sacrifice advantage. That kinda sucks. It’s a trade off sure but for a subclass capstone that doesn’t feel great. At least you still CAN. I like they clarified this could even happen with OA though. 

Please don't get stuck on its name. The Monk subclass is a vast improvement over what was there before. Warrior of the Drunken Fist as suggested before works. Warrior of Inner Alchemy also works.

Warrior of Intoxication? are we serious ...

Please don't do this. There is a line before you lose credibility with the audience.

I wish the Cavaliers would be more mounted battle.

Can it be Drunken Warrior instead?  Their drunk they didn't know they broke your odd new naming convention.

I'm still really hoping to see Kensei Monk come up with Weapon Masteries and Fighting Styles. I kinda need so I can tweak one character I have out of a fighter dip that's only there for those two things.

It was doomed as soon as they made Path of the World Tree barbarain. Literally what if my setting doesnt have a world tree. These overly specific subclass names are trash. They need to be as general and vague as possible.

Or you can just call them whatever you want and reskin the abilities to fit your setting.  

Warrior of the Drunken Fist would be a much more fitting name than Warrior of Intoxication. Maybe even something like Warrior of Imbibing, Warrior of The Full Cup, Warrior of Spirits? Idk. 

"What Is Intoxication?

Intoxication is a state that occurs when the affected person has consumed enough alcohol or drugs to alter their mood and abilities. Mental or physical impairments can include slurred speech, difficulty walking, and disorientation."

Good job, glad to see your grasp on the English language is as good as ever. Unless your intention was to create drug addicts in your games? Who needs more movement speed when you're taking speed itself.

They are compatible but many of them are janky, or generally unbalanced. You can still play Sun Soul Monk but you shouldn't, you should pray for a revision and update.

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Or you can just call them whatever you want and reskin the abilities to fit your setting.  

Sure, but it would be nice if the default name wasn’t so bad that we had to rename it. My main concern is not having to do a lot of editing and explaining when my players go to look at subclasses. I already have to explain World Tree Barbarian and now Scion of the Three Rogue. It seems we narrowly escaped another edition with the complete misnomer of Purple Dragon Knight.

But there’s also just the problem of bad (or bad-sounding) English. Warrior of Intoxication sounds like a high school student put Drunken Master through an AI thesaurus. In a recent UA we had Sorcerer King Patron Warlock, which sounds more like a vocabulary list. Where are the editors? Mechanics aside, it’s just bad writing.