I tried to search for Enthralling Performance in this forum section in case this was mentioned already, but there is a discrepancy with the text between the character sheet and the original text. Hopefully this isn't a sort of repost.
On my character sheet in progress: ( https://www.dndbeyond.com/profile/Valestrix/characters/41384968 as a reference to look if needed ) it says you can choose 5creatures that watched and listened to you perform for 1 minute. However if you look at the entry in College of Glamour bard, it specifies humanoids and not creatures. Might confuse some people if it isn't fixed as creatures allows it to affect a lot more potential targets compared to humanoids.
Hopefully this was the right place to put this. :) Hope everyone has a nice Christmas!
When you look at a DDB character sheet, almost none of the class features, racial traits, or feats do not actually repeat the actual descriptions in the books published by WotC. They instead display something called “snippets.” Snippets are abridged/shorthand versions of those descriptions provided exclusively by DDB, and designed to be more succinct which makes navigating the online character sheet faster, and to occupy less space for the convenience of those who prefer to print out their characters on paper. They also frequently include macros, or “little ‘snippets’ of code” that can automatically do certain calculations for our convenience. Using your example of Enthralling performance, this:
Enthralling Performance
Starting at 3rd level, you can charge your performance with seductive, fey magic.
If you perform for at least 1 minute, you can attempt to inspire wonder in your audience by singing, reciting a poem, or dancing. At the end of the performance, choose a number of humanoids within 60 feet of you who watched and listened to all of it, up to a number equal to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one). Each target must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw against your spell save DC or be charmed by you. While charmed in this way, the target idolizes you, it speaks glowingly of you to anyone who talks to it, and it hinders anyone who opposes you, although it avoids violence unless it was already inclined to fight on your behalf. This effect ends on a target after 1 hour, if it takes any damage, if you attack it, or if it witnesses you attacking or damaging any of its allies.
If a target succeeds on its saving throw, the target has no hint that you tried to charm it.
Once you use this feature, you can’t use it again until you finish a short or long rest.
becomes this:
Enthralling Performance - XGtE, pg. 14
Once per short rest, you can choose 5 creatures that watched and listened to you perform for 1 minute. Each target makes a WIS saving throw (DC 17) and is charmed if it fails for 1 hour, or until it takes any damage, you attack it, or it sees you attack or damage its allies.
Enthralling Performance: (No Action) 🔲/Short Rest
Note, that snippet code has already calculated the DC of 17 for you so you don’t have to, and will also automatically adjust as your Proficiency bonus and Charisma modifier change.
If you are ever inclined to check the exact wording of that feature’s exact description, simply tap/click the snippet provided. And a sidebar will slide out containing the exact verbatim description. In addition whenever WotC officially changes anything by issuing an errata, DDB also automatically updates that information for us. So even if we miss the news that WotC issued an update, DDB makes sure we don’t have to mis the updates themselves.
The point is that the snippet is using "creatures" instead of "humanoids". They are both 9 characters long and have very different meanings within the rules - so there's no reason it shouldn't be changed.
That’s a fair point. I guess I’ve gotten used to the discrepancies between actual descriptions and displayed snippets that those things don’t really jump out at me as that glaring of an issue.
Yeah the problem is that in terms of 5e rules, creatures means that it could target anything. Humanoids means that it can only target a specific type of creature, when people go by the snippets to play their sessions they may apply this ability incorrectly on targets it shouldn't be able to target.
A major example of where this is an important distinction is the hold spells, Hold Person is a lower level spell and can only target humanoids. Hold Monster is higher level and specifies creatures, which opens it up to being able to affect anything (except undead as those are specifically excluded).
Yeah, that’s a valid point. I’m not disagreeing with you, I am just so used to those sorts of little inaccuracies that I expect the snippets to only contain partia/incomplete information (they are abridged after all), and just got in the habit of always double checking that stuff anyway. I wasn’t quite picking up what you were putting down when I first responded, I was... distracted.... But the ever observant and helpful Emmber made it clearer for me.
Yea - I never reference the snippets either. I always go to the class/race/whatever page or click on the snippet to get the full feature write-up in the sidebar. The snippets are too often misleading or confusing - or in this case wrong.
Honestly I wouldn't mind an option to just list features by name only and not display the snippets. It would get rid of a lot of useless noise for me and simplify things immensely - but that's off topic.
Yea - I never reference the snippets either. I always go to the class/race/whatever page or click on the snippet to get the full feature write-up in the sidebar. The snippets are too often misleading or confusing - or in this case wrong.
Honestly I wouldn't mind an option to just list features by name only and not display the snippets. It would get rid of a lot of useless noise for me and simplify things immensely - but that's off topic.
Oh, I totally reference the snippets on the character sheets, but I also double check the descriptions in the sidebar until I have them basically memorized. After that, the ways I use them depend on if I’m a Player or DM.
As a player, I generally just need to land my eyes on the feature once in a while to keep that mental image of it fresh enough in my mind. Heck, after a few months I have usually most of the party’s sheets in my mental rolodex of stuff. As long as I’m “currently using” that info, I can generally kinda keep it my mental buffer. If our group’s DM chair rotates for a while, or if our main DM closes an adventure and then switches to the other regular story with the other party, then we all switch characters for a while. That’s when I need those snippets again for another few months to reset the rolodex content again. When that adventure ends, if we need to rotate DMs again, or our groups main DM calls for another party switch, back to the snippets again until that stuff has finally stuck itself in my “active files” folder again... until the next switch.
When my turn to tag in as DM comes up, then it’s a different story. I tend to write my “major NPCs” as PCs to help me understand them better. I only turn them into monster stat blocks if I am actively anticipating the party to attack that NPC or vice versa in the next few sessions. If a combat I didn’t anticipate suddenly happens, or happens several seasons sooner than I anticipated, I need those snippets to because I’m suddenly using one or more characters that I’m not personally invested in and their various monster allies on the fly. One time recently I had to suddenly grab that NPC’s character sheet, load a hoard of undead minions and humanoid looks into that character’s Extras section, and ran the whole combat from that. Thank goodness for DDB! Saved my bacon that time. That was the difference between saying “okay, roll for Initiative,” or having to say “we’re going to have to pick this up next week” less than a 1/2 hour into the session. (Player Characters, they do the darn feat things. Of course, they bypassed a 1-2 session dungeon crawl and found the villain’s secret passage precisely 12 seconds later when it opened to disgorge the undead minions the NPC called up from the room downstairs.)
Nice pick up! I just realized this now and used this in my last game and specifically showed my DM "See it says creatures so it'll work on these undead" and he's like "huh I guess it does". Yeesh DnD Beyond, this is just sloppy. Not hard to replace "creatures" with "humanoids". Next, is my Hold Person spell also going to state I can paralyze any creature?
Thankfully it didn't really do much in the game when I used it but seems like a large oversight since the "snippets" are what feed to your character sheet if you print it in PDF so they should try to get it more accurate if, you know, you pay a fee for the service and don't feel that means you need to double check everything.
I tried to search for Enthralling Performance in this forum section in case this was mentioned already, but there is a discrepancy with the text between the character sheet and the original text. Hopefully this isn't a sort of repost.
On my character sheet in progress: ( https://www.dndbeyond.com/profile/Valestrix/characters/41384968 as a reference to look if needed ) it says you can choose 5 creatures that watched and listened to you perform for 1 minute. However if you look at the entry in College of Glamour bard, it specifies humanoids and not creatures. Might confuse some people if it isn't fixed as creatures allows it to affect a lot more potential targets compared to humanoids.
Hopefully this was the right place to put this. :) Hope everyone has a nice Christmas!
When you look at a DDB character sheet, almost none of the class features, racial traits, or feats do not actually repeat the actual descriptions in the books published by WotC. They instead display something called “snippets.” Snippets are abridged/shorthand versions of those descriptions provided exclusively by DDB, and designed to be more succinct which makes navigating the online character sheet faster, and to occupy less space for the convenience of those who prefer to print out their characters on paper. They also frequently include macros, or “little ‘snippets’ of code” that can automatically do certain calculations for our convenience. Using your example of Enthralling performance, this:
becomes this:
Note, that snippet code has already calculated the DC of 17 for you so you don’t have to, and will also automatically adjust as your Proficiency bonus and Charisma modifier change.
If you are ever inclined to check the exact wording of that feature’s exact description, simply tap/click the snippet provided. And a sidebar will slide out containing the exact verbatim description. In addition whenever WotC officially changes anything by issuing an errata, DDB also automatically updates that information for us. So even if we miss the news that WotC issued an update, DDB makes sure we don’t have to mis the updates themselves.
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The point is that the snippet is using "creatures" instead of "humanoids". They are both 9 characters long and have very different meanings within the rules - so there's no reason it shouldn't be changed.
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That’s a fair point. I guess I’ve gotten used to the discrepancies between actual descriptions and displayed snippets that those things don’t really jump out at me as that glaring of an issue.
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Yeah the problem is that in terms of 5e rules, creatures means that it could target anything. Humanoids means that it can only target a specific type of creature, when people go by the snippets to play their sessions they may apply this ability incorrectly on targets it shouldn't be able to target.
A major example of where this is an important distinction is the hold spells, Hold Person is a lower level spell and can only target humanoids. Hold Monster is higher level and specifies creatures, which opens it up to being able to affect anything (except undead as those are specifically excluded).
Yeah, that’s a valid point. I’m not disagreeing with you, I am just so used to those sorts of little inaccuracies that I expect the snippets to only contain partia/incomplete information (they are abridged after all), and just got in the habit of always double checking that stuff anyway. I wasn’t quite picking up what you were putting down when I first responded, I was... distracted.... But the ever observant and helpful Emmber made it clearer for me.
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Yea - I never reference the snippets either. I always go to the class/race/whatever page or click on the snippet to get the full feature write-up in the sidebar. The snippets are too often misleading or confusing - or in this case wrong.
Honestly I wouldn't mind an option to just list features by name only and not display the snippets. It would get rid of a lot of useless noise for me and simplify things immensely - but that's off topic.
Mega Yahtzee Thread:
Highest 41: brocker2001 (#11,285).
Yahtzee of 2's: Emmber (#36,161).
Lowest 9: JoeltheWalrus (#312), Emmber (#12,505) and Dertinus (#20,953).
Oh, I totally reference the snippets on the character sheets, but I also double check the descriptions in the sidebar until I have them basically memorized. After that, the ways I use them depend on if I’m a Player or DM.
As a player, I generally just need to land my eyes on the feature once in a while to keep that mental image of it fresh enough in my mind. Heck, after a few months I have usually most of the party’s sheets in my mental rolodex of stuff. As long as I’m “currently using” that info, I can generally kinda keep it my mental buffer. If our group’s DM chair rotates for a while, or if our main DM closes an adventure and then switches to the other regular story with the other party, then we all switch characters for a while. That’s when I need those snippets again for another few months to reset the rolodex content again. When that adventure ends, if we need to rotate DMs again, or our groups main DM calls for another party switch, back to the snippets again until that stuff has finally stuck itself in my “active files” folder again... until the next switch.
When my turn to tag in as DM comes up, then it’s a different story. I tend to write my “major NPCs” as PCs to help me understand them better. I only turn them into monster stat blocks if I am actively anticipating the party to attack that NPC or vice versa in the next few sessions. If a combat I didn’t anticipate suddenly happens, or happens several seasons sooner than I anticipated, I need those snippets to because I’m suddenly using one or more characters that I’m not personally invested in and their various monster allies on the fly. One time recently I had to suddenly grab that NPC’s character sheet, load a hoard of undead minions and humanoid looks into that character’s Extras section, and ran the whole combat from that. Thank goodness for DDB! Saved my bacon that time. That was the difference between saying “okay, roll for Initiative,” or having to say “we’re going to have to pick this up next week” less than a 1/2 hour into the session. (Player Characters, they do the darn feat things. Of course, they bypassed a 1-2 session dungeon crawl and found the villain’s secret passage precisely 12 seconds later when it opened to disgorge the undead minions the NPC called up from the room downstairs.)
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
Nice pick up! I just realized this now and used this in my last game and specifically showed my DM "See it says creatures so it'll work on these undead" and he's like "huh I guess it does". Yeesh DnD Beyond, this is just sloppy. Not hard to replace "creatures" with "humanoids". Next, is my Hold Person spell also going to state I can paralyze any creature?
Thankfully it didn't really do much in the game when I used it but seems like a large oversight since the "snippets" are what feed to your character sheet if you print it in PDF so they should try to get it more accurate if, you know, you pay a fee for the service and don't feel that means you need to double check everything.
Bumping this thread because it's still broken but seems very easy to fix! In the snippet: s/creatures/humanoids/g