And by the way, Hexblade can still do Eldritch Blast. So it's not even like the argument is Hexblade or Eldritch Blast. You can do both. And I'm far from the first person to mention this.
I feel at this point he's just arguing to "win", not because he actually has proper arguments. Just let the topic die.
I'm countering other peoples arguments. That is still valid part the discussion.
There are at least a few people here who believe that hexblade or a multiclassed warlock is the only effective build. I disagree.
They seem to believe that being in melee combat is the ideal use of a warlock, and that there is no value in battlefield control.
They seem to forget that even if fog cloud doesn't result in disadvantage, ane archer still has to aim and shoot into a square with a PC there in order to hit.
They seem to not understand that it's normal and tactically sound for spellcasting classes to stay in the back as much as possible, and that monsters will usually focus on the opponent with a sword in it's face (the immediate threat), even if the hallway is wide enough for them to move past the fighter.
And in the end, A/C doesn't really matter because the DM rolls dice behind a screen, and if he wants a monster to hit you, it will hit you regardless of the actual dice roll (or vice versa)
No, you created a thread to ask others their opinions on a build/mechanic. If you are saying you created this thread to stand upon a pedestal and argue/fight anyone who answers that question, then this thread may have to be locked.
Please refrain from creating threads/posts with the sole intent of causing unrest on the forums.
I feel at this point he's just arguing to "win", not because he actually has proper arguments. Just let the topic die.
I'm countering other peoples arguments. That is still valid part the discussion.
There are at least a few people here who believe that hexblade or a multiclassed warlock is the only effective build. I disagree.
They seem to believe that being in melee combat is the ideal use of a warlock, and that there is no value in battlefield control.
They seem to forget that even if fog cloud doesn't result in disadvantage, ane archer still has to aim and shoot into a square with a PC there in order to hit.
They seem to not understand that it's normal and tactically sound for spellcasting classes to stay in the back as much as possible, and that monsters will usually focus on the opponent with a sword in it's face (the immediate threat), even if the hallway is wide enough for them to move past the fighter.
And in the end, A/C doesn't really matter because the DM rolls dice behind a screen, and if he wants a monster to hit you, it will hit you regardless of the actual dice roll (or vice versa)
No, you created a thread to ask others their opinions on a build/mechanic. If you are saying you created this thread to stand upon a pedestal and argue/fight anyone who answers that question, then this thread may have to be locked.
Please refrain from creating threads/posts with the sole intent of causing unrest on the forums.
It's not my intent to cause unrest on the forum. There are plenty of threads on here where people are arguing back and forth about a topic. And there are people who are quite adamant about their position on a topic, and continue to push their point regardless of how others are countering it.. I don't understand how this is different.
I feel at this point he's just arguing to "win", not because he actually has proper arguments. Just let the topic die.
I'm countering other peoples arguments. That is still valid part the discussion.
There are at least a few people here who believe that hexblade or a multiclassed warlock is the only effective build. I disagree.
They seem to believe that being in melee combat is the ideal use of a warlock, and that there is no value in battlefield control.
They seem to forget that even if fog cloud doesn't result in disadvantage, ane archer still has to aim and shoot into a square with a PC there in order to hit.
They seem to not understand that it's normal and tactically sound for spellcasting classes to stay in the back as much as possible, and that monsters will usually focus on the opponent with a sword in it's face (the immediate threat), even if the hallway is wide enough for them to move past the fighter.
And in the end, A/C doesn't really matter because the DM rolls dice behind a screen, and if he wants a monster to hit you, it will hit you regardless of the actual dice roll (or vice versa)
Nobody here is saying that Hexblade or Multiclassed Warlock is the only effective build. Nobody is saying that being in melee range is the ideal use of a Warlock. In fact, the Eldritch Blast is the most common and most effective Warlock, and nobody here has disputed that. Nobody here has said that you shouldn't play an Eldritch Blast Warlock. But you come on here to say that nobody should play a Hexblade Warlock.
But Hexblade is also viable. Both are viable. We aren't saying that Eldritch Blast Warlock isn't viable. You're the one saying that Hexblade isn't viable. You came here asking why would anyone do a Hexblade. Nobody here has said that Hexblade is the only viable option.
But in your argument against Hexblade, you've made the ridiculous claim that ranged damage dealers don't have to worry about being attacked because the tank can handle that for them. One of the attractive things about a Hexblade is their higher AC. And you're stuck on countering that argument by pretending that ranged damage dealers don't have to worry about AC, when that's clearly not the case.
You're forgetting that unless you do the Hide Action, the enemy knows exactly where you are even if they can't see you.
We're not saying that ranged classes should stand up in melee range. We're saying that a DM that isn't being soft on you will have the enemies come to your ranged damage dealers. This doesn't mean that the Eldritch Blast Warlock isn't viable. It just means that AC and HP do matter for ranged damage dealers.
We are saying that a monster with an enemy in heavy armor with a sword in its face is a less attractive enemy to attack than a spellcaster without armor on. If you're fighting more than one enemy at a time, they're not going to all swarm the heavily armored Paladin and ignore the unarmored Wizard. Unless your DM is being soft on you. And many DMs don't roll behind a screen.
If you're going to try to pretend that we're saying that the Eldritch Blast Warlock isn't viable, you're probably just trolling.
^So much this.
What you are currently doing is trying to turn the argument around because you are "losing". It's been noticed. It's not going to fly. Nobody is saying anything you claim is being said. All that's been said is that AC is notirrelevant for ranged characters unless the DM is soft on you and having easy access to better AC and being decent when in melee is one of the advantage of the Hexblade patron (among all the other things it does even for EB flinging build concepts).
If you just want to dismiss any argument that goes against your position, suit yourself. Then this thread has absolutely no point though.
Clearly at this point anything I say will be construed as arguing for the sake of arguing, or intentionally trying to cause unrest, and I'm likely to get points or banned for doing so due to the Mod post.
But your are obviously trying to engage me because you chose to respond to my A/C comment....
Here's the thing man. People are calling you out for just being augmentative because your arguments make no sense and you refuse to concede any point no matter how thoroughly debunk it becomes. None of your rebuttals make sense and that is why people are saying you are just being contrarian.
- Hexblade is how you get the most damage out of eldrich blast - You get a big bump to your AC. - Your argument that AC doesn't matter because the DM can fudge rolls is just terrible. You can literally say that about anything in the entire game to trivialize it. If this argument seems valid to you then by that logic then every single mechanic in the game doesn't because the DM can just make stuff up.
And by the way, Hexblade can still do Eldritch Blast. So it's not even like the argument is Hexblade or Eldritch Blast. You can do both. And I'm far from the first person to mention this.
No, you created a thread to ask others their opinions on a build/mechanic. If you are saying you created this thread to stand upon a pedestal and argue/fight anyone who answers that question, then this thread may have to be locked.
Please refrain from creating threads/posts with the sole intent of causing unrest on the forums.
It's not my intent to cause unrest on the forum. There are plenty of threads on here where people are arguing back and forth about a topic. And there are people who are quite adamant about their position on a topic, and continue to push their point regardless of how others are countering it.. I don't understand how this is different.
Clearly at this point anything I say will be construed as arguing for the sake of arguing, or intentionally trying to cause unrest, and I'm likely to get points or banned for doing so due to the Mod post.
But your are obviously trying to engage me because you chose to respond to my A/C comment....
Here's the thing man. People are calling you out for just being augmentative because your arguments make no sense and you refuse to concede any point no matter how thoroughly debunk it becomes. None of your rebuttals make sense and that is why people are saying you are just being contrarian.
- Hexblade is how you get the most damage out of eldrich blast
- You get a big bump to your AC.
- Your argument that AC doesn't matter because the DM can fudge rolls is just terrible. You can literally say that about anything in the entire game to trivialize it. If this argument seems valid to you then by that logic then every single mechanic in the game doesn't because the DM can just make stuff up.
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