Books that include character options: PHB, VGtM, XGtE, SCAG, MToF. Total = $149.95 / 12 = $12.50. That's if you want all character options.
You can also buy PC options piece by piece as you build, and each purchase goes towards the cost of the full book. Once you've paid the equivalent of the book price, you unlock the whole book.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Also, to be clear, you don't need a subscription unless you want to make more than 6 characters in your account.
Honestly, you don't need to buy or pay for anything.
You can make up to 6 characters for free and use any of the content from the Basic Rules for free AND you can add any of the stuff from the other rules to your free account for free by making it homebrew.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
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No one is insult anyone. I'm saying I think the practice is stupid. Not that everyone that does it is stupid. Now if you buy it over two times then yeah that's being stupid with your money.
Also, to be clear, you don't need a subscription unless you want to make more than 6 characters in your account.
Honestly, you don't need to buy or pay for anything.
You can make up to 6 characters for free and use any of the content from the Basic Rules for free AND you can add any of the stuff from the other rules to your free account for free by making it homebrew.
That's what I was talking about. Side stepping the paying by using homebrew which is what everyone does.
Edit: that freedom of speech violation though lol. My opinion is that the system of buying the book twice is moronic. You guys are based in the United States right? So you still have to adhere to human rights? Just wondering.
There are forum rules & guidelines - they're there to make sure that these forums are a friendly place where people can discuss & debate, without being flamed & trolled.
Failing to stick to the rules will result in infractions and deleted posts.
This is nothing to do with human rights or freedom of speech, neither of which give permission to be unpleasant to people on these forums.
Now if you buy it over two times then yeah that's being stupid with your money.
Buying two identical paper books is pointless, but a paper book and a digital book aren't the same thing.
I mean, they are though. Same artwork and everything. Just one you can hold and one you can't. That's...that's it. Ah wait, one you turn the page with your hand and the other you do a mouse click.
Can you type in your physical book to quickly look something specific up?
Can you access all your available class archetypes without pulling out multiple books?
Can you buy small specific segments from books that are pertinent to you?
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"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
I am also curious - someone is complaining of having to buy the books twice and also admitting that they do not know of anyone in their city (by inference, including themselves) who has actually bought a physical book, they all rely on illegal PDFs? How are you buying the book twice?
I am curious Mods - is there anything in the Terms and Conditions of this website that requires you to report uses who brag about breaking copyright laws (as opposed to folks who just make mention of the availability of illegal material)?
Ah ah ah. I never said I bought the books. Also never said I downloaded the books. Left it open ended. Maybe I use my DM's pdf's that I would assume he got legally. I don't know. Gray areas are weird. If you read up farther I was wondering why would someone buy the book twice. Seems stupid to me. It's literally just, throwing way money.
So if I buy say...Xanathar's on my account. Then my friend buys the players handbook on their separate account. Then another friend buys the monster manual on another completely separate account all the DM would need to do is make a completely separate account from the rest of us and somehow link our accounts with his and add us to a campaign? Because if it's the "we all buy one book on one communal account" way, it useless.
You do not need a separate account for the Master Tier. Anyone in that campaign (DM or player) can buy the subscription and activate the sharing. There is no communal account.
I mean the DM would have his own account to have his own account anyways. We switch who DM's sometimes. But like I asked before "So if I buy say...Xanathar's on my account. Then my friend buys the players handbook on their separate account. Then another friend buys the monster manual on another completely separate account." I'll modify it here. "All someone would need to do is somehow link our accounts with theirs and add us to a campaign?"
Can you type in your physical book to quickly look something specific up?
Can you access all your available class archetypes without pulling out multiple books?
Can you buy small segments from books that are pertinent to you?
The first question is solved by the index in the front to tell you where the stuff is so yeah.
Second question just have a halfway decent memory. Like I know that hexblade archetype is in Xanathar's Guide. Don't even have a a physical or downloaded book with me. I'm on my phone. I don't even play warlock. I play paladin.
Third question nope can't do that. But you can find it on the D&D wiki for 5th edition if you really want. So...free ways.
Draiven, I can carry my entire 5e collection on my tablet or phone anywhere. That's the best advantage.
There was labour and effort expended by Curse to build DDB and to add each book in DDB format. It costs money to run a business. Curse also must pay a licence fee to WotC.
Let's be clear, no one owes you anything. WotC does not owe you a digital copy just because you bought the physical book. Curse will sell their digital version for the amount the market will bear. In other words, if enough people are willing to pay 29.99 (and clearly they are) then that's what it's worth.
I've also indicated in my earlier post how you can buy the parts you need piece by piece (like paying a subscription) until you've got the whole book.
Also want to clarify, there is no human right to freedom of speech. Further, the right to freedom of speech in the US Constitution only protects speech from being infringed by the US govt. Private companies like Curse, or Facebook, or Twitter (etc) are all legally allowed to censor any speech they like. You don't have to take my word for it, you can look it up.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I am also curious - someone is complaining of having to buy the books twice and also admitting that they do not know of anyone in their city (by inference, including themselves) who has actually bought a physical book, they all rely on illegal PDFs? How are you buying the book twice?
I am curious Mods - is there anything in the Terms and Conditions of this website that requires you to report uses who brag about breaking copyright laws (as opposed to folks who just make mention of the availability of illegal material)?
I do not brag about breaking copyright laws. Someone clearly didn't read my post. I have bought 3 copies of each printed book except adventures (only one of each of those) and I have bought everything on DDB and everything on Roll20. If WotC wants to whine that I ALSO have a copy of the pdf for offline reading when I am on a plane or somewhere without a connection, then they can do that, but I doubt they will since they have my money already in spades. As for legality, I can actually have up to 3 digital copies of physical media that I have purchased without violating copyright laws, so just like I can rip my own CDs and upload them to my dropbox, I can technically rip my own books and upload them to my dropbox. In this specific case, I let someone else do the ripping, but legally speaking I am not sure if there is a difference since the resulting pdf is the same. Maybe some lawyer would like to weigh in?
Draiven, I can carry my entire 5e collection on my tablet or phone anywhere. That's the best advantage.
There was labour and effort expended by Curse to build DDB and to add each book in DDB format. It costs money to run a business. Curse also must pay a licence fee to WotC.
Let's be clear, no one owes you anything. WotC does not owe you a digital copy just because you bought the physical book. Curse will sell their digital version for the amount the market will bear. In other words, if enough people are willing to pay 29.99 (and clearly they are) then that's what it's worth.
I've also indicated in my earlier post how you can buy the parts you need piece by piece (like paying a subscription) until you've got the whole book.
Also want to clarify, there is no human right to freedom of speech. Further, the right to freedom of speech in the US Constitution only protects speech from being infringed by the US govt. Private companies like Curse, or Facebook, or Twitter (etc) are all legally allowed to censor any speech they like. You don't have to take my word for it, you can look it up.
"Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights lawin the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". The version of Article 19 in the ICCPR later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".
I'm just going off of the Universal Declaration of human rights but okay lol. You should maybe read up more on stuff. Doesn't say anything about the government.
Draiven, I can carry my entire 5e collection on my tablet or phone anywhere. That's the best advantage.
There was labour and effort expended by Curse to build DDB and to add each book in DDB format. It costs money to run a business. Curse also must pay a licence fee to WotC.
Let's be clear, no one owes you anything. WotC does not owe you a digital copy just because you bought the physical book. Curse will sell their digital version for the amount the market will bear. In other words, if enough people are willing to pay 29.99 (and clearly they are) then that's what it's worth.
I've also indicated in my earlier post how you can buy the parts you need piece by piece (like paying a subscription) until you've got the whole book.
Also want to clarify, there is no human right to freedom of speech. Further, the right to freedom of speech in the US Constitution only protects speech from being infringed by the US govt. Private companies like Curse, or Facebook, or Twitter (etc) are all legally allowed to censor any speech they like. You don't have to take my word for it, you can look it up.
"Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights lawin the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". The version of Article 19 in the ICCPR later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[6] "</sup>
I'm just going off of the Universal Declaration of human right but okay lol. You should maybe read up more on stuff.
Except you cannot force another company who is paying for the server to allow you to express you opinion. They can if they want to, but you have no more right to free speech on someone else's site they paid for than I have the right to spray paint my opinion in your living room. By that definition you quoted, it does not mention anywhere that you have the freedom of using someone else's platform for that expression. In addition, you agreed to the ToS when you signed up that legally limits your freedom of speech to the parameters defined by the site's owners, Curse.
Oh, I'm aware of the UDHR, my teenage son tried to argue that it meant he didn't have to do chores. Perhaps you should "read up on more stuff" because the UDHR has no legal authority in the USA.
Now you haven't addressed my other points. For just over $12 a month, after one year you would have purchased all the books on DDB that relate to character creation.
Or, you buy character components piece by piece as you make characters, and each purchase goes towards the total cost of the book. Eventually you will unlock the entire book after having bought fewer items from the book than comprise the entire book.
I don't understand people who want to pay more for something than they need to.
Remember, WotC does not owe you a digital copy of their books. They are under no obligation to sell or give anything to anyone.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
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Start here and read for a few pages. This has been covered ad nauseam. https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/d-d-beyond-feedback/5743-d-d-beyond-pricing-purchase-faq-discussion?comment=644
Or go here and see all your options: https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/general-discussion/13989-a-buyers-guide-for-dnd-beyond
Books that include character options: PHB, VGtM, XGtE, SCAG, MToF. Total = $149.95 / 12 = $12.50. That's if you want all character options.
You can also buy PC options piece by piece as you build, and each purchase goes towards the cost of the full book. Once you've paid the equivalent of the book price, you unlock the whole book.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Also, to be clear, you don't need a subscription unless you want to make more than 6 characters in your account.
Honestly, you don't need to buy or pay for anything.
You can make up to 6 characters for free and use any of the content from the Basic Rules for free AND you can add any of the stuff from the other rules to your free account for free by making it homebrew.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
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No one is insult anyone. I'm saying I think the practice is stupid. Not that everyone that does it is stupid. Now if you buy it over two times then yeah that's being stupid with your money.
That's what I was talking about. Side stepping the paying by using homebrew which is what everyone does.
Edit: that freedom of speech violation though lol. My opinion is that the system of buying the book twice is moronic. You guys are based in the United States right? So you still have to adhere to human rights? Just wondering.
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Buying two identical paper books is pointless, but a paper book and a digital book aren't the same thing.
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I mean, they are though. Same artwork and everything. Just one you can hold and one you can't. That's...that's it. Ah wait, one you turn the page with your hand and the other you do a mouse click.
Can you type in your physical book to quickly look something specific up?
Can you access all your available class archetypes without pulling out multiple books?
Can you buy small specific segments from books that are pertinent to you?
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Ironically there isnt a way to get legal pdfs
The first question is solved by the index in the front to tell you where the stuff is so yeah.
Second question just have a halfway decent memory. Like I know that hexblade archetype is in Xanathar's Guide. Don't even have a a physical or downloaded book with me. I'm on my phone. I don't even play warlock. I play paladin.
Third question nope can't do that. But you can find it on the D&D wiki for 5th edition if you really want. So...free ways.
And a square is a pentagon with one less side. If you ignore all the differences, you can claim any two things are the same.
I'd like to see you share a dead tree book with 5 other people in different states at the same time.
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Draiven, I can carry my entire 5e collection on my tablet or phone anywhere. That's the best advantage.
There was labour and effort expended by Curse to build DDB and to add each book in DDB format. It costs money to run a business. Curse also must pay a licence fee to WotC.
Let's be clear, no one owes you anything. WotC does not owe you a digital copy just because you bought the physical book. Curse will sell their digital version for the amount the market will bear. In other words, if enough people are willing to pay 29.99 (and clearly they are) then that's what it's worth.
I've also indicated in my earlier post how you can buy the parts you need piece by piece (like paying a subscription) until you've got the whole book.
Also want to clarify, there is no human right to freedom of speech. Further, the right to freedom of speech in the US Constitution only protects speech from being infringed by the US govt. Private companies like Curse, or Facebook, or Twitter (etc) are all legally allowed to censor any speech they like. You don't have to take my word for it, you can look it up.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
1. What are all the differences?
2. I mean you technically can. Skype, pdf's and email and any video chat program really.
I do not brag about breaking copyright laws. Someone clearly didn't read my post. I have bought 3 copies of each printed book except adventures (only one of each of those) and I have bought everything on DDB and everything on Roll20. If WotC wants to whine that I ALSO have a copy of the pdf for offline reading when I am on a plane or somewhere without a connection, then they can do that, but I doubt they will since they have my money already in spades. As for legality, I can actually have up to 3 digital copies of physical media that I have purchased without violating copyright laws, so just like I can rip my own CDs and upload them to my dropbox, I can technically rip my own books and upload them to my dropbox. In this specific case, I let someone else do the ripping, but legally speaking I am not sure if there is a difference since the resulting pdf is the same. Maybe some lawyer would like to weigh in?
"Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights lawin the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". The version of Article 19 in the ICCPR later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".
I'm just going off of the Universal Declaration of human rights but okay lol. You should maybe read up more on stuff. Doesn't say anything about the government.
Except you cannot force another company who is paying for the server to allow you to express you opinion. They can if they want to, but you have no more right to free speech on someone else's site they paid for than I have the right to spray paint my opinion in your living room. By that definition you quoted, it does not mention anywhere that you have the freedom of using someone else's platform for that expression. In addition, you agreed to the ToS when you signed up that legally limits your freedom of speech to the parameters defined by the site's owners, Curse.
Oh, I'm aware of the UDHR, my teenage son tried to argue that it meant he didn't have to do chores. Perhaps you should "read up on more stuff" because the UDHR has no legal authority in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
Now you haven't addressed my other points. For just over $12 a month, after one year you would have purchased all the books on DDB that relate to character creation.
Or, you buy character components piece by piece as you make characters, and each purchase goes towards the total cost of the book. Eventually you will unlock the entire book after having bought fewer items from the book than comprise the entire book.
I don't understand people who want to pay more for something than they need to.
Remember, WotC does not owe you a digital copy of their books. They are under no obligation to sell or give anything to anyone.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?