In the old system, I am almost positive my a la carte amounts were taken into account with sale prices (as I definitely recall buying multiple full books during sales because the price dropped so low between the sale and application of my a la carte discount).
Many claim they didn't stack bundle discounts, ALC credits and sale prices, but I have receipts that show they did. Some discussion on it here
I was excited to move to 1D&D / 5e Revised / 5.5 / We Only Want Your Money (whatever we're calling it) but try as I might, my goodwill has finally collapsed. I really want to keep supporting this game, but it no longer seems like a prudent thing to do in regard to financial/emotional investment. I know emotional investment sounds dopey, but I really care deeply about this game, the history, it's place in my life over many years and what it's meant to me. I'm incredibly saddened by all of this, mostly what feels like the complete lack of empathy or regard for the community and the very real people that make up that community (with the notable exception of @LaTiaJacquise, I deeply appreciate your communicating with us).
I have canceled my subscription, but will keep playing 5e for the foreseeable future, while I look for a game that fits my wants and needs. Hopefully at least some of my players, who have all become friends, will come with me whenever I jump ship. I will keep my fingers crossed (with very little hope at this point) that WotC/Hasboro will correct course and start meaningful conversations with their supporters/players before my ship has completely sunk.
I've been a diehard 5e fan, and that's what all the campaigns I run or are in use. I will finish my long term campaign in 5e, maybe adopting some of the new 5.5e rules. But once that is done I'm probably gonna check out Pathfinder. It just sucks how much I've put into this site to be treated so poorly by the Suits.
Half-right, half-wrong. The marketplace won't automatically apply a discount automatically for previous a la carte purchases but you can obtain such discount by contacting Customer Support first. They are looking into a way to make the process easier.
Where have they said they're looking to make the process easier? I've not seen anything to suggest that they're working on a better system, and when I asked on the discord they were unaware of any plans to change things. The only change I'm aware of is a back-end change that makes things easier for customer support to grant the discount (which was mistakenly reported as an front-end improvement for customers to use). As far as I can tell contacting support will be the only way to get the discount going forward.
Yes, I saw the same posts as you. I didn't mean to say new buttons or anything would be added, just that the process will be easier - even if it means still contacting support, if the support teams are able to add discounts faster and easier, then it still makes everything easier.
Now, what I would personally prefer them to do is a notice or form or something, so with a button press you can notify the support team who can then reply quickly to provide a code.
What I'd prefer even more if they put in a system to automatically generate the necessary codes and email these to anyone who has piecemeal purchases currently. That way nobody would need to contact anybody.
The best solution is to implement a system that doesn't need codes at all and just applies the discount straightaway.
What I'm disappointed in, is that they have still not yet added a notice or anything to the marketplace book pages that customers need to contact CS for piecemeal discounts. It's the very least they can do. It's quite a mistake that they haven't because it gives the impression they want people to "forget" to contact CS for codes, and end up ripped off.
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The best solution is to implement a system that doesn't need codes at all and just applies the discount straightaway.
That requires development resources, and if they had adequate development resources this wouldn't have happened in the first place (and this is not the kind of thing that can be fixed on short order by spending money; hiring new devs and bringing them up to speed takes time).
The best solution is to implement a system that doesn't need codes at all and just applies the discount straightaway.
That requires development resources, and if they had adequate development resources this wouldn't have happened in the first place (and this is not the kind of thing that can be fixed on short order by spending money; hiring new devs and bringing them up to speed takes time).
I'm very aware of what it takes. I know it's very difficult, and would require more development costs and resources than D&D Beyond would give even if it had a big enough team and budget for it. Nevertheless, it would be the best solution. This is why I gave multiple outcomes I would personally like them to look at. So, if they were at all inclined to try and do something more, there's multiple solutions that would be a far cry better than what they have currently. I have zero hope, at this point, they'll actually do anything at all but typing it out makes me pretend to have some, and that's better than nothing.
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This currently seems to be the only place that you can talk about this issue in a legitimate manner. Other areas, especially the DnD Discord, tends to remove large chunks of feedback about this. Sure, you'll see some in the discord channel, but I've counted at least 20 messages removed from the feedback thread about DnDBeyond. No clue why either, everyone knows what's going on already. It's like trying to mop up the Atlantic ocean. Removing that feedback makes me want to spend less, not more. Like I've said before, I'm happy they have to ACTIVELY ignore this feedback, rather than passively.
seems like the place they're actively pruning is the one place they're most actively anything-ing. you might have been directed here from another forum but this is where feedback goes to die. still, more new names posting a comment here for the first time increments a tally (thanks LTJ!), so there's that.
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unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: providefeedback!
Do you know if anyone is tracking the join date and post count of the members dissenting these changes?
It seems like a large portion of them are long time members that do not post often, many of them didn't post during the OGL issue.
I would be one of those members, I think. I don't recall posting about the OGL situation because I don't create content and it did not affect me. This change affects me, and has caused me to buy a few additional 5e-compatible hardcover books not published by WOTC.
I have no intention of 'upgrading' to the next version of D&D at this point; fifth edition will be the last I ever play. I have my physical collection now, and need WOTC as much as I need a new orifice. They're the ones who needed me, not the other way around. Homebrew and house-rulings can handle anything that comes up from here on out.
Do you know if anyone is tracking the join date and post count of the members dissenting these changes?
It seems like a large portion of them are long time members that do not post often, many of them didn't post during the OGL issue.
that would be meeeeee~
I'm not tracking that granularly, but I do note the amount of individual commenters.
I didn't say anything here about the OGL cause that wasn't D&D Beyond doing it. That was WoTC and unfortunately DDB got caught in the crossfire. But this IS directly a DDB issue, so time to speak up.
In the old system, I am almost positive my a la carte amounts were taken into account with sale prices (as I definitely recall buying multiple full books during sales because the price dropped so low between the sale and application of my a la carte discount).
Many claim they didn't stack bundle discounts, ALC credits and sale prices, but I have receipts that show they did. Some discussion on it here
Yup, I went back to double-check some old purchases I made during sales and my previous a la carte purchases did indeed provide an additional discount on top of the sale. Yet another thing that makes all these unannounced marketplace changes woeful.
For what it's worth, I cancelled my Master sub. Things seem to be generally trending in a direction I'm not happy with on DDB.
Kind of side note: the 20% off deal they just promoted for The Book of Many Things isn’t actually a discount if you intend to get the digital+physical bundle. The code doesn’t work if you try to get the digital for $10 more. So you either get the digital+physical bundle for $119, or you but them separately for 79.99 + 29.99. in essence, a $0.01 discount before taxman which always rounds up a cent.
What an absolute joke.
Edit: you can get the BoMT on a particularly well known website named after a river for $76, a 23% discount.
Do you know if anyone is tracking the join date and post count of the members dissenting these changes?
It seems like a large portion of them are long time members that do not post often, many of them didn't post during the OGL issue.
I would be one of those members, I think. I don't recall posting about the OGL situation because I don't create content and it did not affect me. This change affects me, and has caused me to buy a few additional 5e-compatible hardcover books not published by WOTC.
I have no intention of 'upgrading' to the next version of D&D at this point; fifth edition will be the last I ever play. I have my physical collection now, and need WOTC as much as I need a new orifice. They're the ones who needed me, not the other way around. Homebrew and house-rulings can handle anything that comes up from here on out.
The important thing to work on is to convince all the fellow players and DM's at your table, and any other tables that you have contact with, to also not buy anything more that is wotc related. That is the only real way to effect change. If enough of the consumer base does not buy any more wotc product, that will get the C-suite's attention. But sadly, the vast vast majority of the D&D consumer base is unaware of what has been going on, or simply does not care.
I don't know if I agree with boycotting WotC altogether, but I do understand how it would come to that for some folks. There have been a few missteps all around. For me, I've cancelled my subscription to DDB. Anyone who feels like they've been slighted by this latest move should do the same and encourage their friends likewise. Make sure to cite the reason when prompted.
I will return when/if this is addressed in a satisfactory manner. I know that satisfactory is a subjective term but I think WotC and DDB should get the point if enough of us unsubscribe.
Agreed. Unsubbed. No digital spend from me. This decision to exploit the digital platform came straight from ignorant Hasbro execs overpromising to their shareholders. Only if the promises don't deliver, esp if the digital take goes backwards, they'll consider rolling back.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have made all these terrible decisions and simply left the marketplace as it was, I would have absolutely purchased Tome of Beast I, Where Evil Lives, and Flee Mortals, even given the high priced "buy the whole thing or nothing" nature of third-party content (like I did with Tal'Dorei, Humblewood, etc). Now? I'm not buying them just on principle.
^^ This is me.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
I don't know if I agree with boycotting WotC altogether, but I do understand how it would come to that for some folks. There have been a few missteps all around. For me, I've cancelled my subscription to DDB. Anyone who feels like they've been slighted by this latest move should do the same and encourage their friends likewise. Make sure to cite the reason when prompted.
I will return when/if this is addressed in a satisfactory manner. I know that satisfactory is a subjective term but I think WotC and DDB should get the point if enough of us unsubscribe.
Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have made all these terrible decisions and simply left the marketplace as it was, I would have absolutely purchased Tome of Beast I, Where Evil Lives, and Flee Mortals, even given the high priced "buy the whole thing or nothing" nature of third-party content (like I did with Tal'Dorei, Humblewood, etc). Now? I'm not buying them just on principle.
^^ This is me.
I was ready to drop big money on the third parties as well as the upcoming new books. But unless they start doing some digital code that you can redeem with the alternate covers or bring back a la carte then I’m not buying anything
Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have made all these terrible decisions and simply left the marketplace as it was, I would have absolutely purchased Tome of Beast I, Where Evil Lives, and Flee Mortals, even given the high priced "buy the whole thing or nothing" nature of third-party content (like I did with Tal'Dorei, Humblewood, etc). Now? I'm not buying them just on principle.
^^ This is me.
I was ready to drop big money on the third parties as well as the upcoming new books. But unless they start doing some digital code that you can redeem with the alternate covers or bring back a la carte then I’m not buying anything
Alt covers have only ever been available in FLGS, unless they start offering them direct from wizbro why should they offer the discount you are asking for?
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have made all these terrible decisions and simply left the marketplace as it was, I would have absolutely purchased Tome of Beast I, Where Evil Lives, and Flee Mortals, even given the high priced "buy the whole thing or nothing" nature of third-party content (like I did with Tal'Dorei, Humblewood, etc). Now? I'm not buying them just on principle.
^^ This is me.
I was ready to drop big money on the third parties as well as the upcoming new books. But unless they start doing some digital code that you can redeem with the alternate covers or bring back a la carte then I’m not buying anything
Alt covers have only ever been available in FLGS, unless they start offering them direct from wizbro why should they offer the discount you are asking for?
I stated before that the only conditions of me buying anything would be to either: restore à la carte entirely, pack only purchases, digital content codes with physical book purchases. Otherwise I’m not buying Jack shit
Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have made all these terrible decisions and simply left the marketplace as it was, I would have absolutely purchased Tome of Beast I, Where Evil Lives, and Flee Mortals, even given the high priced "buy the whole thing or nothing" nature of third-party content (like I did with Tal'Dorei, Humblewood, etc). Now? I'm not buying them just on principle.
^^ This is me.
I was ready to drop big money on the third parties as well as the upcoming new books. But unless they start doing some digital code that you can redeem with the alternate covers or bring back a la carte then I’m not buying anything
Alt covers have only ever been available in FLGS, unless they start offering them direct from wizbro why should they offer the discount you are asking for?
Read the room
I am, and I standby my post. You are asking for way more than was lost, and something that was never offered. WotC has the right (and even the duty) to make changes like this, but to take away things after the purchase (like bundle discounts stacking and piecemeal credits on sale items) is one thing, but not offering them to new customers is another.
While it may suck to find out what you could of had is no longer available that is a horse of another color, taking away something you were sold is another. No longer selling bundles/piecemeal (while I personally see that as a poor choice) is not something to use to try and leverage into things that were never on the table, but no longer honoring agreements made prior to the store change is something worthy of fighting for.
Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have made all these terrible decisions and simply left the marketplace as it was, I would have absolutely purchased Tome of Beast I, Where Evil Lives, and Flee Mortals, even given the high priced "buy the whole thing or nothing" nature of third-party content (like I did with Tal'Dorei, Humblewood, etc). Now? I'm not buying them just on principle.
^^ This is me.
I was ready to drop big money on the third parties as well as the upcoming new books. But unless they start doing some digital code that you can redeem with the alternate covers or bring back a la carte then I’m not buying anything
Alt covers have only ever been available in FLGS, unless they start offering them direct from wizbro why should they offer the discount you are asking for?
Read the room
I am, and I standby my post. You are asking for way more than was lost, and something that was never offered. WotC has the right (and even the duty) to make changes like this, but to take away things after the purchase (like bundle discounts stacking and piecemeal credits on sale items) is one thing, but not offering them to new customers is another.
While it may suck to find out what you could of had is no longer available that is a horse of another color, taking away something you were sold is another. No longer selling bundles/piecemeal (while I personally see that as a poor choice) is not something to use to try and leverage into things that were never on the table, but no longer honoring agreements made prior to the store change is something worthy of fighting for.
Sorry, I just see your ask as a huge overreach.
My guy I’ve been in this chat for a month talking about some concessions or ideas on things, it was an *example* of something I’ve reiterated several times on here before. Things that would be something I’d be good with if a la carte individual items never came back. I’m not re-making the same full spiel each time. Did you see the word “demand” on there? No. But if you’re not going back to read and see the context and must know the full sentiment behind it is “it’s pretty stupid that bundles only come in way of original cover through DDB direct Without some form of concession towards things like the return of a la carte or physical purchases getting codes, then I just won’t buy digital.”
happy?
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Many claim they didn't stack bundle discounts, ALC credits and sale prices, but I have receipts that show they did. Some discussion on it here
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I've been a diehard 5e fan, and that's what all the campaigns I run or are in use. I will finish my long term campaign in 5e, maybe adopting some of the new 5.5e rules. But once that is done I'm probably gonna check out Pathfinder. It just sucks how much I've put into this site to be treated so poorly by the Suits.
Yes, I saw the same posts as you. I didn't mean to say new buttons or anything would be added, just that the process will be easier - even if it means still contacting support, if the support teams are able to add discounts faster and easier, then it still makes everything easier.
Now, what I would personally prefer them to do is a notice or form or something, so with a button press you can notify the support team who can then reply quickly to provide a code.
What I'd prefer even more if they put in a system to automatically generate the necessary codes and email these to anyone who has piecemeal purchases currently. That way nobody would need to contact anybody.
The best solution is to implement a system that doesn't need codes at all and just applies the discount straightaway.
What I'm disappointed in, is that they have still not yet added a notice or anything to the marketplace book pages that customers need to contact CS for piecemeal discounts. It's the very least they can do. It's quite a mistake that they haven't because it gives the impression they want people to "forget" to contact CS for codes, and end up ripped off.
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That requires development resources, and if they had adequate development resources this wouldn't have happened in the first place (and this is not the kind of thing that can be fixed on short order by spending money; hiring new devs and bringing them up to speed takes time).
I'm very aware of what it takes. I know it's very difficult, and would require more development costs and resources than D&D Beyond would give even if it had a big enough team and budget for it. Nevertheless, it would be the best solution. This is why I gave multiple outcomes I would personally like them to look at. So, if they were at all inclined to try and do something more, there's multiple solutions that would be a far cry better than what they have currently. I have zero hope, at this point, they'll actually do anything at all but typing it out makes me pretend to have some, and that's better than nothing.
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seems like the place they're actively pruning is the one place they're most actively anything-ing. you might have been directed here from another forum but this is where feedback goes to die. still, more new names posting a comment here for the first time increments a tally (thanks LTJ!), so there's that.
unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: provide feedback!
I would be one of those members, I think. I don't recall posting about the OGL situation because I don't create content and it did not affect me. This change affects me, and has caused me to buy a few additional 5e-compatible hardcover books not published by WOTC.
I have no intention of 'upgrading' to the next version of D&D at this point; fifth edition will be the last I ever play. I have my physical collection now, and need WOTC as much as I need a new orifice. They're the ones who needed me, not the other way around. Homebrew and house-rulings can handle anything that comes up from here on out.
Absolutely same here
Yup, I went back to double-check some old purchases I made during sales and my previous a la carte purchases did indeed provide an additional discount on top of the sale. Yet another thing that makes all these unannounced marketplace changes woeful.
For what it's worth, I cancelled my Master sub. Things seem to be generally trending in a direction I'm not happy with on DDB.
Kind of side note: the 20% off deal they just promoted for The Book of Many Things isn’t actually a discount if you intend to get the digital+physical bundle. The code doesn’t work if you try to get the digital for $10 more. So you either get the digital+physical bundle for $119, or you but them separately for 79.99 + 29.99. in essence, a $0.01 discount before taxman which always rounds up a cent.
What an absolute joke.
Edit: you can get the BoMT on a particularly well known website named after a river for $76, a 23% discount.
The important thing to work on is to convince all the fellow players and DM's at your table, and any other tables that you have contact with, to also not buy anything more that is wotc related. That is the only real way to effect change. If enough of the consumer base does not buy any more wotc product, that will get the C-suite's attention. But sadly, the vast vast majority of the D&D consumer base is unaware of what has been going on, or simply does not care.
I don't know if I agree with boycotting WotC altogether, but I do understand how it would come to that for some folks. There have been a few missteps all around. For me, I've cancelled my subscription to DDB. Anyone who feels like they've been slighted by this latest move should do the same and encourage their friends likewise. Make sure to cite the reason when prompted.
I will return when/if this is addressed in a satisfactory manner. I know that satisfactory is a subjective term but I think WotC and DDB should get the point if enough of us unsubscribe.
Agreed. Unsubbed. No digital spend from me.
This decision to exploit the digital platform came straight from ignorant Hasbro execs overpromising to their shareholders. Only if the promises don't deliver, esp if the digital take goes backwards, they'll consider rolling back.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
^^ This is me.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
Give the app a bad review too.
I was ready to drop big money on the third parties as well as the upcoming new books. But unless they start doing some digital code that you can redeem with the alternate covers or bring back a la carte then I’m not buying anything
Alt covers have only ever been available in FLGS, unless they start offering them direct from wizbro why should they offer the discount you are asking for?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I stated before that the only conditions of me buying anything would be to either: restore à la carte entirely, pack only purchases, digital content codes with physical book purchases. Otherwise I’m not buying Jack shit
I am, and I standby my post. You are asking for way more than was lost, and something that was never offered. WotC has the right (and even the duty) to make changes like this, but to take away things after the purchase (like bundle discounts stacking and piecemeal credits on sale items) is one thing, but not offering them to new customers is another.
While it may suck to find out what you could of had is no longer available that is a horse of another color, taking away something you were sold is another. No longer selling bundles/piecemeal (while I personally see that as a poor choice) is not something to use to try and leverage into things that were never on the table, but no longer honoring agreements made prior to the store change is something worthy of fighting for.
Sorry, I just see your ask as a huge overreach.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
My guy I’ve been in this chat for a month talking about some concessions or ideas on things, it was an *example* of something I’ve reiterated several times on here before. Things that would be something I’d be good with if a la carte individual items never came back. I’m not re-making the same full spiel each time. Did you see the word “demand” on there? No. But if you’re not going back to read and see the context and must know the full sentiment behind it is “it’s pretty stupid that bundles only come in way of original cover through DDB direct Without some form of concession towards things like the return of a la carte or physical purchases getting codes, then I just won’t buy digital.”
happy?