Not true. Wizards could mandate the use of a D&D account that does not share data with Curse/Twitch/Amazon. This is a choice that they are all collectively making, not a necessity.
I'm not certain you have an understanding of who this D&D:B is being made by or how IP sharing works. As for sign on systems, Wizard/Hasbro dumped the D&D membership system ages ago... so how would they force anyone to use something they don't have?
You know how curse and twitch and amazon have separate accounts but they're trying to consolidate them? Make a new D&D Beyond account and then DON'T integrate it. Separate database. Separate data. Separate terms of use. Do not share. I understand how and why Curse is trying to do things the way they are, but everyone here should understand that as a preference motivated by profit and not a necessity. Deciding that doesn't concern you is fine as long as you know what you're getting into and you're making an informed decision.
I'm liking the experience, but having to create a Twitch account was a bit of a surprise. I would definitely have preferred to use an existing account (like Amazon, given the ownership of Twitch and Curse) or create an account specifically for D&D Beyond.
I'm going to say that the value of the content will drive all of this. If it is great, comprehensive, easy to use content then people will use it, no matter what you have to do to login, or pay, to use. If it is just so so then people will use whatever excuse they want to avoid it.
Again before everyone gets all up in arms about what they have to do to access it why not look at what will be delivered and then make your choice.
This argument is like not buying a car because you don't like the roads you will have to drive it on. If the car is all that then you make do with the road.
It's not a big issue to make a twitch account. It's free. Curse accounts are being integrated into Twitch accounts anyway. I'm sure your Amazon account will be linked at some point too so they can sell books directly from twitch like their doing now with video games. It's not a big deal.
An option to use twitch OR just create an account will be better. Not everyone has a Twitch account or wants one for that matter. To make people sign up for another service (even if it's free) just to access this one doesn't send a great message.
This community is brand new. Try not to make it a toxic shitfest on day 1. You have stated your opinion. There is nothing to be gained from mocking those who disagree.
Part of what causes action is more people commenting on it, however. While I have not seen anyone specifically troll about this, I think it good that many are deciding to add in their voices to this concern.
If only 5 people did it, it would be less likely that it would be changed.
And heck, this being the only problem people are really harping on speaks well for the beta launch!
It seems that the main objection people have is, "I have to create a Twitch account and I don't want to!" but at the same time they say they would be happy to create a new account for DnD Beyond.
The whole process is no different though - you go to a page and create an account!
Can anyone who is objecting actually explain WHAT it is that they actually hate?
Is it just having to click to go to a different site to create an account? Is it that the login account carries the name "Twitch"?
So far I just see, "I don't like this" or "I hate this" but no actual explanation of what the problem is.
I am starting to suspect it is just that they weren't expecting it and it's not something they've done before.
Wow, I can't believe this thread is a thing. I am going to go live on Twitch tonight for the first time in months so I can just laugh at all of you for hours... Then I am going to go play Destiny. If you read twitches EULA it says you have to sell your soul to Cthulhu by the way. You guys are so screwed!
People don't like it for a variety of reasons but they mostly boil down to issues of convenience and privacy.
1) There is no reason to hide basic information like spells, items, and monsters behind a login. Ditto for a basic character creator where you just build a char and print it. If you want to save it then sure - account required. 2) Lots of people have facebook, google, and amazon accounts. Not a lot of people have twitch accounts. Linking it to one of the former would have been better. 3) Privacy. There is no obvious benefit to the consumer to link this account to any other account. They certainly could implement some feature that might make it worthwhile, but that doesn't exist yet and would be better as an opt-in.
People don't like it for a variety of reasons but they mostly boil down to issues of convenience and privacy.
1) There is no reason to hide basic information like spells, items, and monsters behind a login. Ditto for a basic character creator where you just build a char and print it. If you want to save it then sure - account required. 2) Lots of people have facebook, google, and amazon accounts. Not a lot of people have twitch accounts. Linking it to one of the former would have been better. 3) Privacy. There is no obvious benefit to the consumer to link this account to any other account. They certainly could implement some feature that might make it worthwhile, but that doesn't exist yet and would be better as an opt-in.
Counterpoints to your points
1) Ultimately, this will be a paid service, the account will help track users and what level payment they are at. The SRD (which is all of the current content on this site) is available for free in other places, people who only want the free version should seek those. Beta testers are usually people who are going to buy in to something, and should be prepared to create an account.
2) Yes, lots of people have those accounts; however, as this is a BETA, it makes sense to use their in-house log in preference for now. Once Beta ends, I would suspect that you'll see other sign-on linking options (Twitch itself has Facebook as an option, but again it is not in Beta)
3) If they tie this in to a TwitchPrime usable site that can be paid through that service, then yes, there is benefit for those that have that feature. This is what you call preparing for the future. You add that now, for easier implementation later.
Not a big fan that it requires a Twitch login. I happened to have one. Most people don't. And most people won't want to sign up for something completely different that they'll never use just to check this out. Why no Google login? Or Facebook? Or the option to make an account directly on here and independent of Twitch?
Not that I care but I will attempt to give you some education.
1) there is always a reason for sign in to a service like this. The part of the beta they have revealed so far does not save data but the forum system is integrated into the SSO system with twitch. Late feature definitely require an account system and the beta is not just testing the view of compendium/spells/items, etc but it is also testing the authentication system while not exposing any sensitive data during the test.
2) Lots of people who are gamers have twitch accounts. Your assumption that not a lot of people have twitch accounts is an opinion based around your perspective. The real numbers show from twitch show that many people do in fact have twitch accounts. I have seen at least 5 million people view one stream or another myself so that is not a small amount of people. In Fact that is more people than I can invite to my house to set around my table... Also, Curse made this app and Wotc endorsed it as an official product. Curse is moving towards having all their services use twitch as an SSO authority because it means developing new apps don't need to have whole new authentication systems built from scratch to get started. Developing software is costly and the more code and systems you can reuse the better.
3) you have none because you are on the Internet. Google, Facebook, Amazon, all of them know how white your teeth are and what size underwear you wear when you dress up like superman on Saturday nights. If you want privacy delete all your accounts and move to Antarctica and live off the grid in a tent.
4) its their app, they will do what works for them, and they have a right to make money off the product they make, and you are welcome to voice your complaints, but you are just as welcome to not use it.
Why aren't the spell's set in their actual names? For example "Tiny Hut" instead of "Leomund's Tiny Hut" or "Acid Arrow" instead of "Melf's Acid Arrow". Why are the titles lost? It really throws off my searching for spells. It's a little nit-picky for sure, but the spell names I have memorized are not the spell names on the list, and it makes me think "Oh, this spell isn't on the list" only to realize it's there, but under a different name.
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This is what I'm saying. At worst you can make a new Twitch account to keep a separate DnD account.
I understand how and why Curse is trying to do things the way they are, but everyone here should understand that as a preference motivated by profit and not a necessity. Deciding that doesn't concern you is fine as long as you know what you're getting into and you're making an informed decision.
I'm liking the experience, but having to create a Twitch account was a bit of a surprise. I would definitely have preferred to use an existing account (like Amazon, given the ownership of Twitch and Curse) or create an account specifically for D&D Beyond.
I'm going to say that the value of the content will drive all of this. If it is great, comprehensive, easy to use content then people will use it, no matter what you have to do to login, or pay, to use. If it is just so so then people will use whatever excuse they want to avoid it.
Again before everyone gets all up in arms about what they have to do to access it why not look at what will be delivered and then make your choice.
This argument is like not buying a car because you don't like the roads you will have to drive it on. If the car is all that then you make do with the road.
It's not a big issue to make a twitch account. It's free. Curse accounts are being integrated into Twitch accounts anyway. I'm sure your Amazon account will be linked at some point too so they can sell books directly from twitch like their doing now with video games. It's not a big deal.
An option to use twitch OR just create an account will be better. Not everyone has a Twitch account or wants one for that matter. To make people sign up for another service (even if it's free) just to access this one doesn't send a great message.
Hate that I had to register on Twitch for this. This should be a stand-alone item.
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Part of what causes action is more people commenting on it, however. While I have not seen anyone specifically troll about this, I think it good that many are deciding to add in their voices to this concern.
If only 5 people did it, it would be less likely that it would be changed.
And heck, this being the only problem people are really harping on speaks well for the beta launch!
It seems that the main objection people have is, "I have to create a Twitch account and I don't want to!" but at the same time they say they would be happy to create a new account for DnD Beyond.
The whole process is no different though - you go to a page and create an account!
Can anyone who is objecting actually explain WHAT it is that they actually hate?
Is it just having to click to go to a different site to create an account? Is it that the login account carries the name "Twitch"?
So far I just see, "I don't like this" or "I hate this" but no actual explanation of what the problem is.
I am starting to suspect it is just that they weren't expecting it and it's not something they've done before.
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Wow, I can't believe this thread is a thing. I am going to go live on Twitch tonight for the first time in months so I can just laugh at all of you for hours... Then I am going to go play Destiny. If you read twitches EULA it says you have to sell your soul to Cthulhu by the way. You guys are so screwed!
People don't like it for a variety of reasons but they mostly boil down to issues of convenience and privacy.
1) There is no reason to hide basic information like spells, items, and monsters behind a login. Ditto for a basic character creator where you just build a char and print it. If you want to save it then sure - account required.
2) Lots of people have facebook, google, and amazon accounts. Not a lot of people have twitch accounts. Linking it to one of the former would have been better.
3) Privacy. There is no obvious benefit to the consumer to link this account to any other account. They certainly could implement some feature that might make it worthwhile, but that doesn't exist yet and would be better as an opt-in.
Not a big fan that it requires a Twitch login. I happened to have one. Most people don't. And most people won't want to sign up for something completely different that they'll never use just to check this out. Why no Google login? Or Facebook? Or the option to make an account directly on here and independent of Twitch?
Not that I care but I will attempt to give you some education.
1) there is always a reason for sign in to a service like this. The part of the beta they have revealed so far does not save data but the forum system is integrated into the SSO system with twitch. Late feature definitely require an account system and the beta is not just testing the view of compendium/spells/items, etc but it is also testing the authentication system while not exposing any sensitive data during the test.
2) Lots of people who are gamers have twitch accounts. Your assumption that not a lot of people have twitch accounts is an opinion based around your perspective. The real numbers show from twitch show that many people do in fact have twitch accounts. I have seen at least 5 million people view one stream or another myself so that is not a small amount of people. In Fact that is more people than I can invite to my house to set around my table... Also, Curse made this app and Wotc endorsed it as an official product. Curse is moving towards having all their services use twitch as an SSO authority because it means developing new apps don't need to have whole new authentication systems built from scratch to get started. Developing software is costly and the more code and systems you can reuse the better.
3) you have none because you are on the Internet. Google, Facebook, Amazon, all of them know how white your teeth are and what size underwear you wear when you dress up like superman on Saturday nights. If you want privacy delete all your accounts and move to Antarctica and live off the grid in a tent.
4) its their app, they will do what works for them, and they have a right to make money off the product they make, and you are welcome to voice your complaints, but you are just as welcome to not use it.
Why aren't the spell's set in their actual names? For example "Tiny Hut" instead of "Leomund's Tiny Hut" or "Acid Arrow" instead of "Melf's Acid Arrow". Why are the titles lost? It really throws off my searching for spells. It's a little nit-picky for sure, but the spell names I have memorized are not the spell names on the list, and it makes me think "Oh, this spell isn't on the list" only to realize it's there, but under a different name.