Someone at WoTC must think 4d6 is "right", or at least didn't get the memo for the new edition. The Essentials Kit comes with 4 six sided dice, which is really only needed for the 4d6 drop low character generation...
And also casting spells that use D6s for damage.
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This was a really fun thread to find after taking a (voluntary) break from the forums. Lovely stuff Third. What follows after your poignant OP reads like the greatest hits collection of people being fed up with ignorance on this forum. It's f'ing gold. So nice to see a certain someone be shoved back under the rock where they came from.
I agree with Scatterbraind that it's less about how pervasive this "gatekeeper - your fun is bad mentality" actually is and more about how loud those that carry it are. And if you're a forum stalker yourself, then you're bound to see the same people pop up over and over spouting the same nonsense. It easily starts to feel like it's everywhere when in reality it's a small group of loudmouths (no not you loudmouth club). All the same, I think it's definitely worth calling these people out and holding them accountable for their words.
I definitely think D&D is the most fun when you roll stats with the 4d6 method. There can be no doubt about it. I think this is the right way to have fun in D&D.
I'm assuming that you're being facetious. If you are, nice joke. If you're not, nice opinion, but it's objectively incorrect.
Seriously? It's "objectively incorrect?" Please cite your facts that mike this objectively incorrect.
Dude. How many times must I repeat this? I already did that a few posts ago (in this thread). Here you go. Mezzurah also explained it well. "Objectively" is the opposite of "subjectively", so if something is inherently subjective, it is objectively true that there is not "correct" or "true" way to do it.
Also, go read the OP if you haven't. If you have, reread it. It goes more in depth about this, as does this post of mine. If you still don't believe me after that, nothing that I'm going to say is going to convince you. Fun cannot be wrong unless it's directly/truthfully at the expense of someone else, so if I have fun with Point Buy/Standard Array instead of Rolling for Stats, that is objectively a correct way to play D&D, and there is no superior/"truer" way to play it.
My mistake, and my apologies. I totally misread this. I agree 100% with you, it is a game and if you enjoy playing it and are not hurting anyone, it is all good.
No harm, no foul. It happens to all of us sometimes. Sorry if my response was harsh.
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Someone at WoTC must think 4d6 is "right", or at least didn't get the memo for the new edition. The Essentials Kit comes with 4 six sided dice, which is really only needed for the 4d6 drop low character generation...
And also casting spells that use D6s for damage.
You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8. rolling 4d6 is the default method array and point buy are optional.
I agree with Scatterbraind that it's less about how pervasive this "gatekeeper - your fun is bad mentality" actually is and more about how loud those that carry it are.
It's hard to say really. I want to say we had more gatekeepers in the past, but I think a lot of that sort just don't show up online or at conventions to the same degree. You see it more among your 60-70 year olds who, if they actively still play, only play with each other and generally won't even play an edition past 3.5.
Someone at WoTC must think 4d6 is "right", or at least didn't get the memo for the new edition. The Essentials Kit comes with 4 six sided dice, which is really only needed for the 4d6 drop low character generation...
. . . I fail to see how this rebuts anything that I have said. They think that it is a correct way to generate stats for PCs, but not thecorrect way to generate stats for PCs. The PHB contains the rules for the 4d6 method, Point Buy, and Standard Array. If they thought that the 4d6 method was the only correct way to generate stats in D&D 5e, they wouldn't have included the other two methods.
However, I'd rather talk about times when my fun was "wrong". One of the more amusing times I had at the table was when every player decided to make a Half-Elven multiclass bard (2nd ed with Complete Bards Handbook). We may not have been the deadliest adventuring party, but we were highly entertaining.
I don't think that was wrong fun, it was just different (and quite peculiar) fun. That's like saying it's wrong fun to have a table where everyone is playing a gnome. It's just different. If it does no harm to your table or anyone else, it's not wrong fun.
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Someone at WoTC must think 4d6 is "right", or at least didn't get the memo for the new edition. The Essentials Kit comes with 4 six sided dice, which is really only needed for the 4d6 drop low character generation...
. . . I fail to see how this rebuts anything that I have said. They think that it is a correct way to generate stats for PCs, but not thecorrect way to generate stats for PCs. The PHB contains the rules for the 4d6 method, Point Buy, and Standard Array. If they thought that the 4d6 method was the only correct way to generate stats in D&D 5e, they wouldn't have included the other two methods.
However, I'd rather talk about times when my fun was "wrong". One of the more amusing times I had at the table was when every player decided to make a Half-Elven multiclass bard (2nd ed with Complete Bards Handbook). We may not have been the deadliest adventuring party, but we were highly entertaining.
I don't think that was wrong fun, it was just different (and quite peculiar) fun. That's like saying it's wrong fun to have a table where everyone is playing a gnome. It's just different. If it does no harm to your table or anyone else, it's not wrong fun.
I suppose quotes around "right" and "wrong" weren't enough emphasis to point out that I was using both words snarkily. I don't think my fun was wrong, I was trying to phrase it in the context of the 'your fun is wrong' thread.
I was not intending to rebut anything you said, I just thought it was an interesting point that the dice set included in the Essentials Kit is tailored towards 4d6 character generation. I realize now that I had a mistaken assumption based on not reading a section of the handbook. I've been out of D&D since 3.5 and was recently pulled into my first 5th ed campaign. My DM gave me the impression that stats array was now the standard character generation method. Now that I have read through the section I see that 4d6 is listed first as the standard way to generate characters and the defined scores are listed as an alternative.
And in reference to other posts, I don't buy into the idea that the extra d6s are there for spells. Plenty of good and important spells use d8s (cure wounds as an obvious point) and more than a few use d4s and d10s. The extra d6s certainly seem to be there for character generation. Now I don't have and haven't read the Essentials Kit, and maybe it has a limited spell list that emphasizes the d6 spells, but outside that it doesn't appear to be the intent.
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I agree with Scatterbraind that it's less about how pervasive this "gatekeeper - your fun is bad mentality" actually is and more about how loud those that carry it are.
It's hard to say really. I want to say we had more gatekeepers in the past, but I think a lot of that sort just don't show up online or at conventions to the same degree. You see it more among your 60-70 year olds who, if they actively still play, only play with each other and generally won't even play an edition past 3.5.
That doesn't seem like gatekeeping...just playing what you like with your friends. I'm not playing AD&D at the senior center...why would they join my group?
Gatekeeping is ranting and raving at others that their way is the wrong way even though there is no harm being done by the person or group being chastised.
And also casting spells that use D6s for damage.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
This was a really fun thread to find after taking a (voluntary) break from the forums. Lovely stuff Third. What follows after your poignant OP reads like the greatest hits collection of people being fed up with ignorance on this forum. It's f'ing gold. So nice to see a certain someone be shoved back under the rock where they came from.
I agree with Scatterbraind that it's less about how pervasive this "gatekeeper - your fun is bad mentality" actually is and more about how loud those that carry it are. And if you're a forum stalker yourself, then you're bound to see the same people pop up over and over spouting the same nonsense. It easily starts to feel like it's everywhere when in reality it's a small group of loudmouths (no not you loudmouth club). All the same, I think it's definitely worth calling these people out and holding them accountable for their words.
No worries! if that is the worst thing that happens to me today, life is pretty good!
You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8. rolling 4d6 is the default method array and point buy are optional.
Yes, and 4 six sided dice is also an optimal number to have for casting spells until you reach 7th or 9th level, what's your point?
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It's hard to say really. I want to say we had more gatekeepers in the past, but I think a lot of that sort just don't show up online or at conventions to the same degree. You see it more among your 60-70 year olds who, if they actively still play, only play with each other and generally won't even play an edition past 3.5.
. . . I fail to see how this rebuts anything that I have said. They think that it is a correct way to generate stats for PCs, but not the correct way to generate stats for PCs. The PHB contains the rules for the 4d6 method, Point Buy, and Standard Array. If they thought that the 4d6 method was the only correct way to generate stats in D&D 5e, they wouldn't have included the other two methods.
I don't think that was wrong fun, it was just different (and quite peculiar) fun. That's like saying it's wrong fun to have a table where everyone is playing a gnome. It's just different. If it does no harm to your table or anyone else, it's not wrong fun.
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I suppose quotes around "right" and "wrong" weren't enough emphasis to point out that I was using both words snarkily. I don't think my fun was wrong, I was trying to phrase it in the context of the 'your fun is wrong' thread.
I was not intending to rebut anything you said, I just thought it was an interesting point that the dice set included in the Essentials Kit is tailored towards 4d6 character generation. I realize now that I had a mistaken assumption based on not reading a section of the handbook. I've been out of D&D since 3.5 and was recently pulled into my first 5th ed campaign. My DM gave me the impression that stats array was now the standard character generation method. Now that I have read through the section I see that 4d6 is listed first as the standard way to generate characters and the defined scores are listed as an alternative.
And in reference to other posts, I don't buy into the idea that the extra d6s are there for spells. Plenty of good and important spells use d8s (cure wounds as an obvious point) and more than a few use d4s and d10s. The extra d6s certainly seem to be there for character generation. Now I don't have and haven't read the Essentials Kit, and maybe it has a limited spell list that emphasizes the d6 spells, but outside that it doesn't appear to be the intent.
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Third, I think you're taking light-hearted comments as serious ones.
That doesn't seem like gatekeeping...just playing what you like with your friends. I'm not playing AD&D at the senior center...why would they join my group?
Gatekeeping is ranting and raving at others that their way is the wrong way even though there is no harm being done by the person or group being chastised.
What I posted is a direct quote from the PHB which is my point 4d6 drop lowest is baseline by the rules, standard array and point buy are options.
And either way is totally fine as long as you have fun.