Om the assumption that this isn't trolling, then there is a question.
What do mean, making your DM mad?
As in, you're getting really good rolls and taking out gods really easily when they're intended to be the ultimate challenge? Those are the dice. I set up a situation in which two of the characters were supposed to get into a fight with some bullies, impress a third character enough that they'd ask them for protection. It all went to plan, until the PCs had their turns. The first tried to tackle one of them and missed. It all went down hill from there and they got curbstomped by a bunch of drunken louts. Those were the dice though. A major PITA for me as DM, but that's the DM's problem, not yours.
Or do you mean that you are antagonising the DM? Assuming you're old enough to be typing this out yourself, you should be mature enough to know the answer to that.
You later ask if it's a good thing to be killing gods. The only answer to that is it is, if the DM and other players are happy with it.
My personal feeling is no. At least for now. Lying gods has massive ramifications on lore, but also takes a lot of deep knowledge, both in game an at the table, to do properly. To get the proper weight and drama appropriate to taking on (and winning) against gods, there would have to be a lot of things happening that takes skill and maturity to do right. I'm not opposed to the idea per se (assuming that it suits the table), but if you don't know if it would be a good thing or not, you're not ready to be doing it, in my opinion. If you tried to hijack the campaign for this purpose without asking, or if you asked, was told not at the moment, and tried anyway, then you'd find that some angel or minor god would have an entirely coincidental bout of hay-fever, and your character would find out that "death by snot" is a thing. At least, in my world it is.
Don't antagonise the DM. Even if you aren't mature enough to be nice to them, then because death by snot is not the heroic last stand that you hoped for.
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I ask if there are any Gods in this world, the DM says yes and I go kill the Gods.
Am I supposed to let the Gods live?
You're not specifying whether you're talking about a world of your origin it's a new world that you've moved to in-game.
Either way, you could choose just to seek worthy opponents, divine or not, and let the DM sort out the details. RPGs sometimes work best as vehicles for collaborative storytelling. A party of players will typically give consideration to each other's wishes. If there's leeway to afford the same amount of respect to your DM then I'd say try that. If not there's always the possibility that you'll end up with no story to tell.
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
Why?
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
Why do they care about a puny mortal they can easily smite from afar?
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
What will you do when the god of magic takes your spells away? Keep trolling?
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
If I was a god, I wouldn't bother personally dealing with a buzzing fly like you. I'd send a loyal angel or paladin to come smite you. If I did want to just get rid of you with minimal fuss, I'd probably use some DM-created level 30 spell that does 800d12 damage and can be cast at unlimited range from across planes.
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
If the DM is allowing homebrewed spells that are much more powerful than other spells at that level, it probably indicates that they want you to kill their gods and won't be angry about it at all.
I mean, my question at that point would be "how old are you?"
But yeah. Everything I said before still applies. If your DM is happy to run your rage-against-the-gods game and the other players at the table are totally kosher with it, nothing anybody says here matters. You're having fun with your D&D game with your buddies, and that's what the game is for. Just...might want to quit while you're ahead, because a lot of folks are gonna have some real strong opinions on this subject and they ain't gonna be the sorts of opinions you'll find super palatable.
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
Imagine a belligerent ant walks up to your locked front door and starts cursing you out and shaking its tiny ant-fists at you and threatening to kill you. You could just step on it, but honestly even that would just be more effort than it's worth on your part. After all, it's not like the ant can do anything to you. It would be weird if you paused your videogame and rushed downstairs, opening the door like "YOU WANNA GO, ANT?? NAME A TIME AND PLACE!"
Like, in no universe is this thing a threat to you, and it's so tiny you can easily ignore it.
That's why the gods aren't bothering to pay you any attention.
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
Imagine a belligerent ant walks up to your locked front door and starts cursing you out and shaking its tiny ant-fists at you and threatening to kill you. You could just step on it, but honestly even that would just be more effort than it's worth on your part. After all, it's not like the ant can do anything to you. It would be weird if you paused your videogame and rushed downstairs, opening the door like "YOU WANNA GO, ANT?? NAME A TIME AND PLACE!"
Like, in no universe is this thing a threat to you, and it's so tiny you can easily ignore it.
That's why the gods aren't bothering to pay you any attention.
And not even a fire ant, just one of those really puny ones that you can't even feel.
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
Uhhh… yeah…. So… if your DM is playing along with that then Huzzah to you both I suppose.
The thing is, the DM is evidently allowing these PC vs "god" fights, and the PC is winning and "taking the gods power" whatever that means. So the ant prescription clearly doesn't exist in the game world, since these combats do happen.
So, maybe a very permissive DM, maybe a DM is humoring a player's id, or maybe they're playing a long game with a PC who doesn't realize he's being set up by this or some other pantheon as the literal fall guy. Probably the first, maybe they're amused by the player's antics so accommodates them. It's one way to play.
Also maybe some self-awareness might need to come into play. I though it was odd that the player posed the thread question as "Am I supposed to be angering my DM...?" The point of the game isn't to anger anybody, so I think the player may need to work with their table to figure out what's going on, as their reporting of their game seems to be missing something.
The thing is, the DM is evidently allowing these PC vs "god" fights, and the PC is winning and "taking the gods power" whatever that means. So the ant prescription clearly doesn't exist in the game world, since these combats do happen.
So, maybe a very permissive DM, maybe a DM is humoring a player's id, or maybe they're playing a long game with a PC who doesn't realize he's being set up by this or some other pantheon as the literal fall guy. Probably the first, maybe they're amused by the player's antics so accommodates them. It's one way to play.
Also maybe some self-awareness might need to come into play. I though it was odd that the player posed the thread question as "Am I supposed to be angering my DM...?" The point of the game isn't to anger anybody, so I think the player may need to work with their table to figure out what's going on, as their reporting of their game seems to be missing something.
I don't believe the DM is allowing it. OP said they've tried it at multiple temples and no god has even answered their challenge so far.
I think the OP is *trying* to fight gods and steal powers without any confirmation from the DM that that is a thing that can or cannot be done.
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
"I have failed many times" does not say I fail all the time. Point 3 describes a methodology to godkilling, apparently sanctioned by the DM (or at least "spell mixing" is allowed, which admittedly could simply be the OP not understanding metamagic) and it's not not clear whether it's hypothetical or the PC has successfully KILLED A GOD (it should be forum guidelines that this phrase must be written in all caps).
Some players just get fixated on godkilling, I blame the God of War franchise. There was an epic , so to speak, thread not too long back with a similar DM or player fixation on how you'd make godkilling mechanically viable. There was a spectrum of responses, but there was also a lot more to work with than this OP is willing or able to provide.
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
"I have failed many times" does not say I fail all the time. Point 3 describes a methodology to godkilling, apparently sanctioned by the DM (or at least "spell mixing" is allowed, which admittedly could simply be the OP not understanding metamagic) and it's not not clear whether it's hypothetical or the PC has successfully KILLED A GOD (it should be forum guidelines that this phrase must be written in all caps).
Some players just get fixated on godkilling, I blame the God of War franchise. There was an epic , so to speak, thread not too long back with a similar DM or player fixation on how you'd make godkilling mechanically viable. There was a spectrum of responses, but there was also a lot more to work with than this OP is willing or able to provide.
Sure, I mean deicide has an interesting place in myth. We have the killing of Osirus-- who was shockingly mortal. We have the story of Sun Wukong going up against Buddah. I'm not sure about Gilgamesh, but he sounds like the sort to fight against gods. The idea of being a warrior so mighty that you can go toe-to-toe with an actual god isn't novel in any sense really.
I'm not against it as a trope. Actually, I think killing a god is a great capstone to a campaign. Which is why there are multiple campaign books that have you ending with ... fighting a god or demigod. It doesn't even have to be an evil god either. The idea of mankind killing god to assert their maturity as a species is pretty classic. Not only that, but you could use it as a kick off to another campaign in which a different god seeks to take revenge on all of mankind for the communal sin of deicide.
Yeah, so basically if the particular game is open to it, you can go about killing gods without angering your DM ... because you're not supposed to be angering the DM ... because there's some basic assumption in the social contract of the game that all participants aren't there to anger each other.
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The fun part as a DM comes after the decide as the character “absorbs”the powers. — and is altered in multiple ways by said power. Imagine suddenly hearing hundreds or thousands of voices in your head suddenly asking you for all sorts of (often conflicting) requests - quite the way to go totally bonkers.
The whole Time of Troubles in Forgotten Realms was about gods dying, either at the hands of mortals or at the hands of other gods. Cyrus, Kelemvor, Midnight and others became gods this way. Maybe Ao wants him to kill the gods?
Mortals are beneath Ao's notice 99.99999999999% of the time.
If you ever want to have a (non-divine-caster) character that is a total nihilist, make him a worshipper of Ao.
Ao worship is great! You can do whatever you want with no repercussions. You can make up theology as benefits you on the fly. Ao doesn't expect you to give money to his church. He doesn't require human sacrifice. He doesn't require pennance for your transgressions. He expects absolutely nothing of you!
The fun part as a DM comes after the decide as the character “absorbs”the powers
There’s fanfic in the In Nomine universe where Lucifer wins the Divine War, and gets asked by Yves (Archangel of Destiny) “Now what?”
…snd Lucifer realizes that he now has to rule the universe, and things can’t be too different than before or everything he fought to win will be destroyed and it will all have been for nothing.
Om the assumption that this isn't trolling, then there is a question.
What do mean, making your DM mad?
As in, you're getting really good rolls and taking out gods really easily when they're intended to be the ultimate challenge? Those are the dice. I set up a situation in which two of the characters were supposed to get into a fight with some bullies, impress a third character enough that they'd ask them for protection. It all went to plan, until the PCs had their turns. The first tried to tackle one of them and missed. It all went down hill from there and they got curbstomped by a bunch of drunken louts. Those were the dice though. A major PITA for me as DM, but that's the DM's problem, not yours.
Or do you mean that you are antagonising the DM? Assuming you're old enough to be typing this out yourself, you should be mature enough to know the answer to that.
You later ask if it's a good thing to be killing gods. The only answer to that is it is, if the DM and other players are happy with it.
My personal feeling is no. At least for now. Lying gods has massive ramifications on lore, but also takes a lot of deep knowledge, both in game an at the table, to do properly. To get the proper weight and drama appropriate to taking on (and winning) against gods, there would have to be a lot of things happening that takes skill and maturity to do right. I'm not opposed to the idea per se (assuming that it suits the table), but if you don't know if it would be a good thing or not, you're not ready to be doing it, in my opinion. If you tried to hijack the campaign for this purpose without asking, or if you asked, was told not at the moment, and tried anyway, then you'd find that some angel or minor god would have an entirely coincidental bout of hay-fever, and your character would find out that "death by snot" is a thing. At least, in my world it is.
Don't antagonise the DM. Even if you aren't mature enough to be nice to them, then because death by snot is not the heroic last stand that you hoped for.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
You're not specifying whether you're talking about a world of your origin it's a new world that you've moved to in-game.
Either way, you could choose just to seek worthy opponents, divine or not, and let the DM sort out the details. RPGs sometimes work best as vehicles for collaborative storytelling. A party of players will typically give consideration to each other's wishes. If there's leeway to afford the same amount of respect to your DM then I'd say try that. If not there's always the possibility that you'll end up with no story to tell.
1: I actively seek out temples where the Gods are worshiped
2: I scream, swear, and cast spells up at the Gods (God), and with any luck they get angry and come to kill me. I have failed many times with that way of summoning them.
3: Using mixed spells that my DM allows, such as Burning Arctic (Mixing Ice Storm and Fire Storm) and Wall of Liquid Flame (Mixing Wall of Fire and Wall of Water) that do a decent bit of damage.
Why?
Why do they care about a puny mortal they can easily smite from afar?
What will you do when the god of magic takes your spells away? Keep trolling?
If I was a god, I wouldn't bother personally dealing with a buzzing fly like you. I'd send a loyal angel or paladin to come smite you. If I did want to just get rid of you with minimal fuss, I'd probably use some DM-created level 30 spell that does 800d12 damage and can be cast at unlimited range from across planes.
If the DM is allowing homebrewed spells that are much more powerful than other spells at that level, it probably indicates that they want you to kill their gods and won't be angry about it at all.
I mean, my question at that point would be "how old are you?"
But yeah. Everything I said before still applies. If your DM is happy to run your rage-against-the-gods game and the other players at the table are totally kosher with it, nothing anybody says here matters. You're having fun with your D&D game with your buddies, and that's what the game is for. Just...might want to quit while you're ahead, because a lot of folks are gonna have some real strong opinions on this subject and they ain't gonna be the sorts of opinions you'll find super palatable.
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Well, thank you for you advice.
I will stop the God killing for now and save my DM the trouble of trying to figure out how these fights on the fly.
You still haven't really answered the many questions "why" so my previous assessment seems to fit.
Imagine a belligerent ant walks up to your locked front door and starts cursing you out and shaking its tiny ant-fists at you and threatening to kill you. You could just step on it, but honestly even that would just be more effort than it's worth on your part. After all, it's not like the ant can do anything to you. It would be weird if you paused your videogame and rushed downstairs, opening the door like "YOU WANNA GO, ANT?? NAME A TIME AND PLACE!"
Like, in no universe is this thing a threat to you, and it's so tiny you can easily ignore it.
That's why the gods aren't bothering to pay you any attention.
And not even a fire ant, just one of those really puny ones that you can't even feel.
Uhhh… yeah…. So… if your DM is playing along with that then Huzzah to you both I suppose.
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The thing is, the DM is evidently allowing these PC vs "god" fights, and the PC is winning and "taking the gods power" whatever that means. So the ant prescription clearly doesn't exist in the game world, since these combats do happen.
So, maybe a very permissive DM, maybe a DM is humoring a player's id, or maybe they're playing a long game with a PC who doesn't realize he's being set up by this or some other pantheon as the literal fall guy. Probably the first, maybe they're amused by the player's antics so accommodates them. It's one way to play.
Also maybe some self-awareness might need to come into play. I though it was odd that the player posed the thread question as "Am I supposed to be angering my DM...?" The point of the game isn't to anger anybody, so I think the player may need to work with their table to figure out what's going on, as their reporting of their game seems to be missing something.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I don't believe the DM is allowing it. OP said they've tried it at multiple temples and no god has even answered their challenge so far.
I think the OP is *trying* to fight gods and steal powers without any confirmation from the DM that that is a thing that can or cannot be done.
That's reading a lot into this declaration (I admit the OP isn't being completely clear)
"I have failed many times" does not say I fail all the time. Point 3 describes a methodology to godkilling, apparently sanctioned by the DM (or at least "spell mixing" is allowed, which admittedly could simply be the OP not understanding metamagic) and it's not not clear whether it's hypothetical or the PC has successfully KILLED A GOD (it should be forum guidelines that this phrase must be written in all caps).
Some players just get fixated on godkilling, I blame the God of War franchise. There was an epic , so to speak, thread not too long back with a similar DM or player fixation on how you'd make godkilling mechanically viable. There was a spectrum of responses, but there was also a lot more to work with than this OP is willing or able to provide.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Sure, I mean deicide has an interesting place in myth. We have the killing of Osirus-- who was shockingly mortal. We have the story of Sun Wukong going up against Buddah. I'm not sure about Gilgamesh, but he sounds like the sort to fight against gods. The idea of being a warrior so mighty that you can go toe-to-toe with an actual god isn't novel in any sense really.
I'm not against it as a trope. Actually, I think killing a god is a great capstone to a campaign. Which is why there are multiple campaign books that have you ending with ... fighting a god or demigod. It doesn't even have to be an evil god either. The idea of mankind killing god to assert their maturity as a species is pretty classic. Not only that, but you could use it as a kick off to another campaign in which a different god seeks to take revenge on all of mankind for the communal sin of deicide.
Yeah, so basically if the particular game is open to it, you can go about killing gods without angering your DM ... because you're not supposed to be angering the DM ... because there's some basic assumption in the social contract of the game that all participants aren't there to anger each other.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
The fun part as a DM comes after the decide as the character “absorbs”the powers. — and is altered in multiple ways by said power. Imagine suddenly hearing hundreds or thousands of voices in your head suddenly asking you for all sorts of (often conflicting) requests - quite the way to go totally bonkers.
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The whole Time of Troubles in Forgotten Realms was about gods dying, either at the hands of mortals or at the hands of other gods. Cyrus, Kelemvor, Midnight and others became gods this way. Maybe Ao wants him to kill the gods?
Mortals are beneath Ao's notice 99.99999999999% of the time.
If you ever want to have a (non-divine-caster) character that is a total nihilist, make him a worshipper of Ao.
Ao worship is great! You can do whatever you want with no repercussions. You can make up theology as benefits you on the fly. Ao doesn't expect you to give money to his church. He doesn't require human sacrifice. He doesn't require pennance for your transgressions. He expects absolutely nothing of you!
The killing gods part isn’t the problem…
…that’s the problem.
There’s fanfic in the In Nomine universe where Lucifer wins the Divine War, and gets asked by Yves (Archangel of Destiny) “Now what?”
…snd Lucifer realizes that he now has to rule the universe, and things can’t be too different than before or everything he fought to win will be destroyed and it will all have been for nothing.
Becoming a god is not to be undertaken lightly.