I may have missed this somewhere, but how is D&D Beyond planning to handle the release of Mordenkainen's Monsters of the Multiverse, since it's just repackaging/reformatting creatures that have already been published in other books?
Will DDB just update the stat blocks in the compendium, or will users have to buy MMotM in order to get access to the new stat blocks?
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Well, that depends on how quickly they get said information from Wizards for a start in order to do the backend side.
However if the book is classed as being canon with any updates to monsters within then the updates would apply to that creature and the reference to where that creature was updated would be found in the bottom right corner.
On the marketing side however there is then the issue that if the creature is updated within the MMotM book, updating it to reflect the reference point in the bottom right corner then will possibly make that monster locked to someone who owns the original book it came from if they dont own the MMotM book. Which is something they have to consider when updating the creature.
So in the past, what D&D Beyond has done is when a new thing is printed in an older book but updated in a newer, it just gets updated site wide. So users of the old content get the update, if they like it or not.
I would have to imagine that is going to happen here. A Good example is Kobolds as a playable race, even if you only own the PHB, you still get the new iteration of them.
So in the past, what D&D Beyond has done is when a new thing is printed in an older book but updated in a newer, it just gets updated site wide. So users of the old content get the update, if they like it or not.
I would have to imagine that is going to happen here. A Good example is Kobolds as a playable race, even if you only own the PHB, you still get the new iteration of them.
They were volo's but the point stands. The other big example is warforged in wayfinders guide got updated when rising from the last war came out.
Well it is good to know that if you own Volo's or Mordy's that you will get the contents of MotMM completely free of charge. I mean, why would DnDBeyond or WotC want to make money off of a completely new book if they can give it away for free?
Well it is good to know that if you own Volo's or Mordy's that you will get the contents of MotMM completely free of charge. I mean, why would DnDBeyond or WotC want to make money off of a completely new book if they can give it away for free?
Because they have painted themselves into a corner with their policy of automatically applying rules updates to older compendiums. So, just like everyone who had either E:RftLW (or at least the Artificer class from that book), the SCAG (or at least the original Bladesinger), Xanathar’s Guide (or at least the spells from that book) all automatically got the updated versions in when Tasha’s Cauldron came out. So, they kinda gotta, unless they can claim it inapplicable somehow. Say, perhaps, that any updates to rules from 5e got automatic updates, but it doesn’t apply to any rules discrepancies if it’s technically 5.v/6e or some such other bit of fancy dancin’ by the IRL lawyers. (Why didn’t we listen to Shakespeare?!?)
Well it is good to know that if you own Volo's or Mordy's that you will get the contents of MotMM completely free of charge. I mean, why would DnDBeyond or WotC want to make money off of a completely new book if they can give it away for free?
So using Ebberon as an example, They won't discount the new book for any content that exists in the old book. So anyone that wants to support DDB can buy it again ;). I also wouldn't be surprised if there were also some compendium content that is different/new. I don't know if it will have anything like the deep dive into cultures like the beginning of volo's, but for ddb's ability to sell this thing i hope wizards put some in.
Beyond this IamSposta's post basically covers whats going on. DDB gets to either update everything(which i expect the erata wizards discussed in the stream will do anyway) or face a public relations nightmare by changing their policy on updated race/class/statblocks ect.
Edit: as someone who has most of the books anyway, i'm likely not to find much value. But depending on how much content comes from adventures, dm's that didnt buy any adventures might actually get some decent value out of the new Mordenkainens
It's also going to increase the issue of duplication in the Legendary bundle. I mean, I get stuff being reprinted in new books, but once they decided to keep WGtE when RFtLW came out, that just really knocked down the value. If they're going to have the MM and MotMM in the Legendary bundle, I can see people asking questions.
Well it is good to know that if you own Volo's or Mordy's that you will get the contents of MotMM completely free of charge. I mean, why would DnDBeyond or WotC want to make money off of a completely new book if they can give it away for free?
So using Ebberon as an example, They won't discount the new book for any content that exists in the old book. So anyone that wants to support DDB can buy it again ;). I also wouldn't be surprised if there were also some compendium content that is different/new. I don't know if it will have anything like the deep dive into cultures like the beginning of volo's, but for ddb's ability to sell this thing i hope wizards put some in.
Beyond this IamSposta's post basically covers whats going on. DDB gets to either update everything(which i expect the erata wizards discussed in the stream will do anyway) or face a public relations nightmare by changing their policy on updated race/class/statblocks ect.
Edit: as someone who has most of the books anyway, i'm likely not to find much value. But depending on how much content comes from adventures, dm's that didnt buy any adventures might actually get some decent value out of the new Mordenkainens
From what I understand is that the PC races are all reprints, there is a large collection of monsters that are new never seen before.
With all due respect, "completely new" is a bit of an exaggeration if all the monsters in this monster book are repeats from two previous ones, no?
250 monsters and 30 races revised to show what the company's direction for the 2024 revision of the game will be. Based on what WotC said about this book, it isn't just errata or minor changes and someone had to do that work and get paid to do it.
I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, but this is not the same as a few pages of a book being reprinted, this is the start of a "New Evolution in D&D". It looks like everyone here expects to get the 2024 books for free here on DnDBeyond as well? I guess it is possible, but I will wait till some one that actually works here says as much.
I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, ...
In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
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Also, something I just don't want to get lost in the conversation. I think they were pulling in monsters both from sources like Volo's and Tome of Foes, and from all released adventures. So there is value in this particular book for players that invested in source books but not adventures.
I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, ...
In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
This doesn't really change anything about what I am saying.
This book is NOT just a minor update to a few lines of text, It is a full revision and that has not happened before. The small updates of the past are irrelevant because the game is moving into new territory. 5e as a whole is being revised and this is part of it, though I understand it is just a preview of what is to come and not the whole picture. Everything being alluded to in this thread is pure speculation because we (me, you or anyone else) don't know how WotC (and by extension DnDBeyond) is going to handle this and we won't know until they tell us or show us.
I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, ...
In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
This doesn't really change anything about what I am saying.
It means it's (very likely) not DDB's decision to make, is what I'm saying. It was never a policy.
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I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, ...
In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
This doesn't really change anything about what I am saying.
It means it's (very likely) not DDB's decision to make, is what I'm saying. It was never a policy.
Ok, the rest of the quote that you snipped acknowledged the it is up to WotC so I don't know what it is you are after here.
I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, ...
In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
This doesn't really change anything about what I am saying.
It means it's (very likely) not DDB's decision to make, is what I'm saying. It was never a policy.
Ok, the rest of the quote that you snipped acknowledged the it is up to WotC so I don't know what it is you are after here.
Only that suggesting it's a policy is misrepresenting the case somewhat, and that the initial reference to DDB is probably irrelevant.
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I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, ...
In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
This doesn't really change anything about what I am saying.
This book is NOT just a minor update to a few lines of text, It is a full revision and that has not happened before. The small updates of the past are irrelevant because the game is moving into new territory. 5e as a whole is being revised and this is part of it, though I understand it is just a preview of what is to come and not the whole picture. Everything being alluded to in this thread is pure speculation because we (me, you or anyone else) don't know how WotC (and by extension DnDBeyond) is going to handle this and we won't know until they tell us or show us.
Any update of a monster, race or class would automatically get passed down to those who own the content. However when it comes to a full revision of the game, it depends on which direction that goes. Before I continue, no I didnt watch the video, I have issues taking in information about such in a spoken/video format, so unless there is a proper write up anywhere (link if you have it would be good, nothing that is transcript thankyou such things are horrid to follow even in written form), I wont be able to follow that well. So forgive me if I get anything wrong relating to such here.
Now, back to anything about a revision. If such a revision is taking place where a whole new revision of rules and so forth, such as character generation, racial/class abilities, etc. If such is happening it would have to be a whole new book that would have be licensed to use on the site, if that is so it would mean that the whole backend of DDB would need a major overhaul, or a separate section for those rules to apply. Which brings to the other issue, people arent going to want to buy a new book for a 5.5E when they already own 5E and a majority of people are still playing 5E. Also, any major update/revision of 5E may as well just be called 6E and be done with it. Doing any sort of major overhaul of anything within any edition just spawns a new edition completely in my view of it.
I haven't seen the video, so I'm just going by what I've read on these threads.
We're also assuming that the new stats for monsters are intended to replace old ones, and are not intended to be alternatives. Indeed, the fact that the title references the "multiverse" kind of implies that these are alternative monsters rather than just updates. That it's been described as a new book while it's accompaniments are described as updates also makes me wonder.
Ultimately though, this is all speculation. We don't seem to have enough information to understand what it is, so saying whether it'll be free updates or not is pure guesswork at this point.
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I may have missed this somewhere, but how is D&D Beyond planning to handle the release of Mordenkainen's Monsters of the Multiverse, since it's just repackaging/reformatting creatures that have already been published in other books?
Will DDB just update the stat blocks in the compendium, or will users have to buy MMotM in order to get access to the new stat blocks?
Well, that depends on how quickly they get said information from Wizards for a start in order to do the backend side.
However if the book is classed as being canon with any updates to monsters within then the updates would apply to that creature and the reference to where that creature was updated would be found in the bottom right corner.
On the marketing side however there is then the issue that if the creature is updated within the MMotM book, updating it to reflect the reference point in the bottom right corner then will possibly make that monster locked to someone who owns the original book it came from if they dont own the MMotM book. Which is something they have to consider when updating the creature.
So in the past, what D&D Beyond has done is when a new thing is printed in an older book but updated in a newer, it just gets updated site wide. So users of the old content get the update, if they like it or not.
I would have to imagine that is going to happen here. A Good example is Kobolds as a playable race, even if you only own the PHB, you still get the new iteration of them.
They were volo's but the point stands. The other big example is warforged in wayfinders guide got updated when rising from the last war came out.
Or everything in Wild Beyond the Witchlight.
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Well it is good to know that if you own Volo's or Mordy's that you will get the contents of MotMM completely free of charge. I mean, why would DnDBeyond or WotC want to make money off of a completely new book if they can give it away for free?
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With all due respect, "completely new" is a bit of an exaggeration if all the monsters in this monster book are repeats from two previous ones, no?
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Because they have painted themselves into a corner with their policy of automatically applying rules updates to older compendiums. So, just like everyone who had either E:RftLW (or at least the Artificer class from that book), the SCAG (or at least the original Bladesinger), Xanathar’s Guide (or at least the spells from that book) all automatically got the updated versions in when Tasha’s Cauldron came out. So, they kinda gotta, unless they can claim it inapplicable somehow. Say, perhaps, that any updates to rules from 5e got automatic updates, but it doesn’t apply to any rules discrepancies if it’s technically 5.v/6e or some such other bit of fancy dancin’ by the IRL lawyers. (Why didn’t we listen to Shakespeare?!?)
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So using Ebberon as an example, They won't discount the new book for any content that exists in the old book. So anyone that wants to support DDB can buy it again ;). I also wouldn't be surprised if there were also some compendium content that is different/new. I don't know if it will have anything like the deep dive into cultures like the beginning of volo's, but for ddb's ability to sell this thing i hope wizards put some in.
Beyond this IamSposta's post basically covers whats going on. DDB gets to either update everything(which i expect the erata wizards discussed in the stream will do anyway) or face a public relations nightmare by changing their policy on updated race/class/statblocks ect.
Edit: as someone who has most of the books anyway, i'm likely not to find much value. But depending on how much content comes from adventures, dm's that didnt buy any adventures might actually get some decent value out of the new Mordenkainens
It's also going to increase the issue of duplication in the Legendary bundle. I mean, I get stuff being reprinted in new books, but once they decided to keep WGtE when RFtLW came out, that just really knocked down the value. If they're going to have the MM and MotMM in the Legendary bundle, I can see people asking questions.
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From what I understand is that the PC races are all reprints, there is a large collection of monsters that are new never seen before.
250 monsters and 30 races revised to show what the company's direction for the 2024 revision of the game will be. Based on what WotC said about this book, it isn't just errata or minor changes and someone had to do that work and get paid to do it.
I know that in the past it has been DnDBeyond policy to update content, but this is not the same as a few pages of a book being reprinted, this is the start of a "New Evolution in D&D". It looks like everyone here expects to get the 2024 books for free here on DnDBeyond as well? I guess it is possible, but I will wait till some one that actually works here says as much.
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In the past it has been DDB's obligation to update content. A licence requirement is a bit stronger than a policy, at the very least in the sense the former is not a voluntary decision to stand by or to reverse as you see fit. This will be WotC's call first.
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Also, something I just don't want to get lost in the conversation. I think they were pulling in monsters both from sources like Volo's and Tome of Foes, and from all released adventures. So there is value in this particular book for players that invested in source books but not adventures.
This doesn't really change anything about what I am saying.
This book is NOT just a minor update to a few lines of text, It is a full revision and that has not happened before. The small updates of the past are irrelevant because the game is moving into new territory. 5e as a whole is being revised and this is part of it, though I understand it is just a preview of what is to come and not the whole picture. Everything being alluded to in this thread is pure speculation because we (me, you or anyone else) don't know how WotC (and by extension DnDBeyond) is going to handle this and we won't know until they tell us or show us.
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It means it's (very likely) not DDB's decision to make, is what I'm saying. It was never a policy.
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Ok, the rest of the quote that you snipped acknowledged the it is up to WotC so I don't know what it is you are after here.
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Only that suggesting it's a policy is misrepresenting the case somewhat, and that the initial reference to DDB is probably irrelevant.
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Any update of a monster, race or class would automatically get passed down to those who own the content. However when it comes to a full revision of the game, it depends on which direction that goes. Before I continue, no I didnt watch the video, I have issues taking in information about such in a spoken/video format, so unless there is a proper write up anywhere (link if you have it would be good, nothing that is transcript thankyou such things are horrid to follow even in written form), I wont be able to follow that well. So forgive me if I get anything wrong relating to such here.
Now, back to anything about a revision. If such a revision is taking place where a whole new revision of rules and so forth, such as character generation, racial/class abilities, etc. If such is happening it would have to be a whole new book that would have be licensed to use on the site, if that is so it would mean that the whole backend of DDB would need a major overhaul, or a separate section for those rules to apply. Which brings to the other issue, people arent going to want to buy a new book for a 5.5E when they already own 5E and a majority of people are still playing 5E. Also, any major update/revision of 5E may as well just be called 6E and be done with it. Doing any sort of major overhaul of anything within any edition just spawns a new edition completely in my view of it.
I haven't seen the video, so I'm just going by what I've read on these threads.
We're also assuming that the new stats for monsters are intended to replace old ones, and are not intended to be alternatives. Indeed, the fact that the title references the "multiverse" kind of implies that these are alternative monsters rather than just updates. That it's been described as a new book while it's accompaniments are described as updates also makes me wonder.
Ultimately though, this is all speculation. We don't seem to have enough information to understand what it is, so saying whether it'll be free updates or not is pure guesswork at this point.
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