So I have a issue going on right now. We just finished our 10th session and we were all talking about heights. This is where I just found out our high elf is 6'6in. If you have not guessed this is out of the races height bounderys, and there isnt anything in there story that would or could change that. I tend to play my games in a vanilia fashion so we are not going to see a 5'11 dwarf or a 2'1 human so I need another opinion on this.
Should I ask them to change it to something more reasonable? (Its the first time it has been brought up so its not going to change much.)
Let them keep it?
p.s I have a player where this is there biggest pet peve in dnd and I agree.
Ya, I think you are overthinking this man. It's not drastically out of the range, and it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things and is only going to create drama. Save your energy and good faith for the real table conflicts to come.
Seriously? You're worried about this person's imaginary character's height, which affects basically nothing in gameplay?
You're being ridiculous, but anyway, the given height parameters for Elves are "from under 5 to over 6 feet tall", making 6'6 perfectly reasonable.
While I think the wording here is a bit accusatory, I think at the end this is the right response.
10 sessions in and it finally came up. Unless the character is looking to use the height in a mechanical fashion to gain gameplay advantages? Who cares.
Personally, I would ask them if their character is meant to be tall for an elf. If yes, no action required. Humans usually don't go above 7 feet but there have been examples of taller people than that. If no, either shrink the PC or enlarge all other elves, whichever is more amenable to you and your players.
Most people don't think of elves as being short in D&D. Even if the books say they are.
Yeah, Elf height ranges in many different settings varies a lot. Sometimes they are described as being mostly shorter than Humans, around 5'6" being average for the males, while the next community are all around and over 6'. Wood Elves, Sun Elves, High Elves, all different from one another in certain ways and I always see height as being one of those ways. Since you're DM, and the lore sates and average of 5 to over 6 fee, I would say the Elves you're working with are, on average, about the same heights as Humans. That said, your PC is notably taller than average, but not freakishly so. They would stand out a bit in an average Human or Elven community, but it wouldn't be a gawk and stare.
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I would rule that he is that tall, but elves treat him poorly. They believe he has some human blood in him and call him nasty names. He may be a pure elf, but they do not care, they just see his height and make assumptions.
I tend to play my games in a vanilia fashion so we are not going to see a 5'11 dwarf or a 2'1 human so I need another opinion on this.
I apologize if I'm mis-reading your words, but what vanilla sounds like to me is: I tend to play my games by the book, or else. While I'm not a fan of this playstyle, I can obviously respect it. Your game. Your fun. Your rules. That being said, what value does adherence to vanilla in the particular case of racial heights add to you, the table, and your game? I think anyone that is a stickler for "that's what the book says", needs to always ask that question. The designers could not have gotten it all right for each and every table, therefore, why not have some wiggle room - especially for something that seems really trivial.
Now, changing a small creature to medium size simply based on roleplaying a "taller" character is a no-go. That's a mechanical change. Playing a 5ft. bugbear or 6ft goblin - I say why not. I mean the diversity of human beings goes from what? Under 3ft. tall to Robert Wadlow at nearlly 9ft?
Now imagine a world with magic, possible permanent magical effects, ley lines, wild magic zones, jaunts to the Feywild, aberrations and abominations, folk that cheat death, necromancy, folk that have returned from the dead 11 times, gods that walk the lands, mortals ascended to demi-god status, celestial bridges, demon portals, and forgotten and forbidden rituals. The books says THIS but I ask you. Is it not possible, if not entirely plausible that a few members of a fantastical, imaginary race are 12 inches shorter or taller than 'standard?'
If it was broughten up before hand this post would not be here. I have had the races run by the size chart and said it at the beggining of the game as my last 2 games had players playing 7ft drow and it kinda bothers when the leionion is smaller than the drow. So I posted them just so I don't run into any of that bs again and while this isnt that bad it was a small peve I felt like posting about. If someone wants to break a limit that was set prior to game or in rule I would have them ask.
For your last paragraph, yea I agree, if it is talked about.
Definiately true! My campaign "Almaedrus" was much more lotr inspired and fit that This one however is more straight dnd based so yea it does change a lot by inspiration and setting.
If it help you rationalize it just say such a tall elf while entirely possible remains a very rare occurance just like humans often rarely tower over 7-8 feet while the norm is smaller.
As long as they're not trying to game the system somehow, there's no harm in letting them imagine their character as being that tall. I had a player that wanted to play a centuries-old halfling. I told her they don't normally live that long, she said she knew. *shrug* I just had NPCs occasionally remark on her apparently advanced age, calling her "granny" and such.
Seriously? You're worried about this person's imaginary character's height, which affects basically nothing in gameplay?
The only thing i can think of where height has any real effect is for determining the reach during high jump.
High Jump: You can extend your arms half your height above yourself during the jump. Thus, you can reach above you a distance equal to the height of the jump plus 1 1/2 times your height.
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So I have a issue going on right now. We just finished our 10th session and we were all talking about heights. This is where I just found out our high elf is 6'6in. If you have not guessed this is out of the races height bounderys, and there isnt anything in there story that would or could change that. I tend to play my games in a vanilia fashion so we are not going to see a 5'11 dwarf or a 2'1 human so I need another opinion on this.
Should I ask them to change it to something more reasonable? (Its the first time it has been brought up so its not going to change much.)
Let them keep it?
p.s I have a player where this is there biggest pet peve in dnd and I agree.
Player Handbook says under 5' to over 6'
So, 6'6 is just a very tall but still reasonable size.
Ya, I think you are overthinking this man. It's not drastically out of the range, and it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things and is only going to create drama. Save your energy and good faith for the real table conflicts to come.
Seriously? You're worried about this person's imaginary character's height, which affects basically nothing in gameplay?
You're being ridiculous, but anyway, the given height parameters for Elves are "from under 5 to over 6 feet tall", making 6'6 perfectly reasonable.
While I think the wording here is a bit accusatory, I think at the end this is the right response.
10 sessions in and it finally came up. Unless the character is looking to use the height in a mechanical fashion to gain gameplay advantages? Who cares.
Personally, I would ask them if their character is meant to be tall for an elf. If yes, no action required. Humans usually don't go above 7 feet but there have been examples of taller people than that. If no, either shrink the PC or enlarge all other elves, whichever is more amenable to you and your players.
Most people don't think of elves as being short in D&D. Even if the books say they are.
Mk thanks for the responces
(and to be honest I care more about integrity in lore than mechanics)
I dont think ill mention it
Yeah, Elf height ranges in many different settings varies a lot. Sometimes they are described as being mostly shorter than Humans, around 5'6" being average for the males, while the next community are all around and over 6'. Wood Elves, Sun Elves, High Elves, all different from one another in certain ways and I always see height as being one of those ways. Since you're DM, and the lore sates and average of 5 to over 6 fee, I would say the Elves you're working with are, on average, about the same heights as Humans. That said, your PC is notably taller than average, but not freakishly so. They would stand out a bit in an average Human or Elven community, but it wouldn't be a gawk and stare.
Talk to your Players. Talk to your DM. If more people used this advice, there would be 24.74% fewer threads on Tactics, Rules and DM discussions.
I would rule that he is that tall, but elves treat him poorly. They believe he has some human blood in him and call him nasty names. He may be a pure elf, but they do not care, they just see his height and make assumptions.
Here is a link to the height and weight table from the PHB: (https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/personality-and-background#RandomHeightandWeightTable). 6’6” is tall for an elf, but not absurdly tall or anything.
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Just ranting: I'm miffed that each ruddy elf gets its own height and weight on the chart, but nobody else.
Hill Dwarf / Duergar, they're the same.
Halflings are the same.
Gnomes are the same.
Genasi are the same.
But those ruddy elves!
I apologize if I'm mis-reading your words, but what vanilla sounds like to me is: I tend to play my games by the book, or else. While I'm not a fan of this playstyle, I can obviously respect it. Your game. Your fun. Your rules. That being said, what value does adherence to vanilla in the particular case of racial heights add to you, the table, and your game? I think anyone that is a stickler for "that's what the book says", needs to always ask that question. The designers could not have gotten it all right for each and every table, therefore, why not have some wiggle room - especially for something that seems really trivial.
Now, changing a small creature to medium size simply based on roleplaying a "taller" character is a no-go. That's a mechanical change. Playing a 5ft. bugbear or 6ft goblin - I say why not. I mean the diversity of human beings goes from what? Under 3ft. tall to Robert Wadlow at nearlly 9ft?
Now imagine a world with magic, possible permanent magical effects, ley lines, wild magic zones, jaunts to the Feywild, aberrations and abominations, folk that cheat death, necromancy, folk that have returned from the dead 11 times, gods that walk the lands, mortals ascended to demi-god status, celestial bridges, demon portals, and forgotten and forbidden rituals. The books says THIS but I ask you. Is it not possible, if not entirely plausible that a few members of a fantastical, imaginary race are 12 inches shorter or taller than 'standard?'
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If it was broughten up before hand this post would not be here. I have had the races run by the size chart and said it at the beggining of the game as my last 2 games had players playing 7ft drow and it kinda bothers when the leionion is smaller than the drow. So I posted them just so I don't run into any of that bs again and while this isnt that bad it was a small peve I felt like posting about. If someone wants to break a limit that was set prior to game or in rule I would have them ask.
For your last paragraph, yea I agree, if it is talked about.
FR! I think duergar would be a bit smaller wdyt?
Definiately true!
My campaign "Almaedrus" was much more lotr inspired and fit that
This one however is more straight dnd based so yea it does change a lot by inspiration and setting.
Fair, thats why the post is out. Thanks!
Thanks for the link!
Yea thats what I used. Max is 6'2 if I remember off the top of my head.
If it help you rationalize it just say such a tall elf while entirely possible remains a very rare occurance just like humans often rarely tower over 7-8 feet while the norm is smaller.
As long as they're not trying to game the system somehow, there's no harm in letting them imagine their character as being that tall. I had a player that wanted to play a centuries-old halfling. I told her they don't normally live that long, she said she knew. *shrug* I just had NPCs occasionally remark on her apparently advanced age, calling her "granny" and such.
The only thing i can think of where height has any real effect is for determining the reach during high jump.