Is there a reason why a Druid can't wildshape into an Owlbear? I don't mean "because the book says beast and it doesn't say beast on the Owlbear statblock", but a reasoned logic to it.
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There's no need to allude to a metaplot of dorks at a table running a theoretical IRL game of D&D. Let people imagine what they like - if they want to imagine the actors are just doing a really good job of narrating a game of D&D, let them. If people would rather imagine that they're watching an epic tale in a land of high fantasy with no "aww, it's just a game" stinger? Let them do that. The movie does not need to make it explicit one way or another, let folks come down where and as they will.
Is there a reason why a Druid can't wildshape into an Owlbear? I don't mean "because the book says beast and it doesn't say beast on the Owlbear statblock", but a reasoned logic to it.
Then, no. There's no "reason", just that it doesn't work Rules as Written.
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Personally I hope Critical Roll are nowhere near this movie, I love the stream, I watch it all but there is far far more to DnD then the way Critical roll play it, I would much prefer if Chris Perkins, or other DnD writers/designers etc made an appearance. Satine Phoenix used to be in charge of Wizards social media I think, giving her a cameo would be great, or the cast of Dimension 20 etc. Lets give some love to other streams, Critical Roll already has enough publicity.
They're already confirmed to have cameos in the movie. And that makes sense. They're definitely the biggest celebrities that got famous due to D&D. (Joe Manganiello and Vin Diesel are undeniably well known, but they didn't get famous due to D&D.) So attaching them to the product by at least giving them a cameo is good for fanservice and good for people that know Critical Role but don't play the game.
And Critical Role only has "enough publicity" in the hobby. Most people outside of D&D probably haven't heard of it. This movie is for all audiences, so cameos for the cast of Critical Role are definitely not "too much" or "more than enough". However, I would not object to more cameos from other D&D celebrities. Brennan Lee Mulligan, Matt Colville, David Harbour, maybe Stephen Colbert, and a few others would be nice to see. A cameo for one group doesn't mean that other people can't have cameos, too.
'Cameo' can also just mean the CR crew show up in costume as extras somewhere. They don't even need to have speaking lines. But man, I know if I were one of Critical Role's core cast right now - remembering that all of them are actors and have been in the acting business for many years, both as voice artists and as conventional actors in many cases - I'd want to be in the movie just because I wanna be in the movie. The whole cast are (now) huge D&D nerds themselves, why not let them have some fun getting dressed up and turning up in a scene or two?
. . . I'd want to be in the movie just because I wanna be in the movie. The whole cast are (now) huge D&D nerds themselves, why not let them have some fun getting dressed up and turning up in a scene or two?
Apparently Michelle Rodriguez has been poking fun of her Fast and Furious co-star Vin Diesel for months that she got to be in the movie and he did not. I'm frankly surprised they did not try to get him to cameo in the movie--he's probably the biggest D&D nerd in Hollywood and, though he almost certainly commands a hefty price tag, seems like the kind of person who would be in the movie just to be in the movie. I suspect that means they might be saving him for a major character in a sequel, which would be delightful.
Is there a reason why a Druid can't wildshape into an Owlbear? I don't mean "because the book says beast and it doesn't say beast on the Owlbear statblock", but a reasoned logic to it.
The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Personally I hope Critical Roll are nowhere near this movie, I love the stream, I watch it all but there is far far more to DnD then the way Critical roll play it, I would much prefer if Chris Perkins, or other DnD writers/designers etc made an appearance. Satine Phoenix used to be in charge of Wizards social media I think, giving her a cameo would be great, or the cast of Dimension 20 etc. Lets give some love to other streams, Critical Roll already has enough publicity.
They're already confirmed to have cameos in the movie. And that makes sense. They're definitely the biggest celebrities that got famous due to D&D. (Joe Manganiello and Vin Diesel are undeniably well known, but they didn't get famous due to D&D.) So attaching them to the product by at least giving them a cameo is good for fanservice and good for people that know Critical Role but don't play the game.
And Critical Role only has "enough publicity" in the hobby. Most people outside of D&D probably haven't heard of it. This movie is for all audiences, so cameos for the cast of Critical Role are definitely not "too much" or "more than enough". However, I would not object to more cameos from other D&D celebrities. Brennan Lee Mulligan, Matt Colville, David Harbour, maybe Stephen Colbert, and a few others would be nice to see. A cameo for one group doesn't mean that other people can't have cameos, too.
Can you point me to where it is confirmed Critical roll are in the movie, I have had 2 people on YouTube tell me that as well and when I asked for a link so I could read about it both came back and said they had just heard from someone who told someone who told them. I don’t think it has actually been confirmed as when I google critical roll dnd movie nothing comes up.
As for only having enough publicity, highest earning twitch streamers, an animated series on Amazon Prime that all of my non dnd friends have seen, love, and many now dip into the stream. I will not begrudge them if they get a role, I just feel if we are looking at cameos (and the only quote I can find is the tiefling actress saying she does know of critical roll and there is a cameo by a single YouTube dnd celebrity, which I assume would be Chris Perkins as Wizards are producing the movie, but she refuses to name names).
The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Funny story: nature adapts. A creature like the owlbear which has existed in the wild for untold countless generations, breeds true, and acts in the way any other natural predator would act? They simply become part of the natural balance. Owlbears honestly do nothing that regular bears don't do - they're large land carnivores with no especially Monstrous/Aberrant abilities or requirements. They're nothing but funny-shaped bears with better stat blocks, there's no reason 'Nature' wouldn't just adopt them and make them part of the natural order. The difference between 'beast' and 'Monstrosity' as a creature type is a game construction anyways. Just let it be, it makes for a cool character moment/Signature Power in a movie.
. . . I'd want to be in the movie just because I wanna be in the movie. The whole cast are (now) huge D&D nerds themselves, why not let them have some fun getting dressed up and turning up in a scene or two?
Apparently Michelle Rodriguez has been poking fun of her Fast and Furious co-star Vin Diesel for months that she got to be in the movie and he did not. I'm frankly surprised they did not try to get him to cameo in the movie--he's probably the biggest D&D nerd in Hollywood and, though he almost certainly commands a hefty price tag, seems like the kind of person who would be in the movie just to be in the movie. I suspect that means they might be saving him for a major character in a sequel, which would be delightful.
According to Joe Magniello a few years ago when he was asked about this by Stephen Colbert he raised questions stating that if he does play then it is not as big a fan.
Personally would rather see Joe get a cameo, he is happy not being the main character of a movie, Vin Diesal would want to make the film about him and reportedly can be toxic on sets (hence rock refuses to work with him ever again).
Can you point me to where it is confirmed Critical roll are in the movie, I have had 2 people on YouTube tell me that as well and when I asked for a link so I could read about it both came back and said they had just heard from someone who told someone who told them. I don’t think it has actually been confirmed as when I google critical roll dnd movie nothing comes up.
As for only having enough publicity, highest earning twitch streamers, an animated series on Amazon Prime that all of my non dnd friends have seen, love, and many now dip into the stream. I will not begrudge them if they get a role, I just feel if we are looking at cameos (and the only quote I can find is the tiefling actress saying she does know of critical roll and there is a cameo by a single YouTube dnd celebrity, which I assume would be Chris Perkins as Wizards are producing the movie, but she refuses to name names).
I can't find the source, so the claim may be false, but I'm sure I heard it in one of the cast panels.
Also, them being the most successful Twitch streamers doesn't say much for how much the general audience knows about them. I honestly could not list 3 Twitch streamers if you asked me to, and I'm sure the same applies to a lot of people (especially those 40+ years old). And how many people that don't play D&D have seen the Legend of Vox Machina? And made the connection between it and Critical Role/D&D?
And, yeah, I only ever heard "cameos for the cast of Critical Role", not "involved roles".
. . . I'd want to be in the movie just because I wanna be in the movie. The whole cast are (now) huge D&D nerds themselves, why not let them have some fun getting dressed up and turning up in a scene or two?
Apparently Michelle Rodriguez has been poking fun of her Fast and Furious co-star Vin Diesel for months that she got to be in the movie and he did not. I'm frankly surprised they did not try to get him to cameo in the movie--he's probably the biggest D&D nerd in Hollywood and, though he almost certainly commands a hefty price tag, seems like the kind of person who would be in the movie just to be in the movie. I suspect that means they might be saving him for a major character in a sequel, which would be delightful.
According to Joe Magniello a few years ago when he was asked about this by Stephen Colbert he raised questions stating that if he does play then it is not as big a fan.
Personally would rather see Joe get a cameo, he is happy not being the main character of a movie, Vin Diesal would want to make the film about him and reportedly can be toxic on sets (hence rock refuses to work with him ever again).
Vin Diesel made a movie about one of his D&D characters; taught Dame Judi Dench how to play D&D (she now DMs for her grandchildren) on the set of the Chronicles of Riddick with Karl Urban and other cast members; and has appeared on numerous D&D related podcasts and such. If you are using a citation, maybe one from a comedy show where it is clearly a joke might not be the best of authorities! Also, pretty sure Diesal is more than happy not to be the main character in a movie. He might get cast as the lead role now, but he also is the kind of person who is perfectly happy to say "yes" to "want to play the voice of a tree with only one line of dialogue?" (though, Groot is a big star character, that was a pretty silly move back when the first film came out).
Granted, I'm also all for Manganiello getting a cameo or even a role in a future film. The guy clearly knows his stuff, loves the hobby, and is a solid actor in his own right.
The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Funny story: nature adapts. A creature like the owlbear which has existed in the wild for untold countless generations, breeds true, and acts in the way any other natural predator would act? They simply become part of the natural balance.
I was explaining, not justifying. The distinction between beast and monstrosity has always been dubious.
The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Funny story: nature adapts. A creature like the owlbear which has existed in the wild for untold countless generations, breeds true, and acts in the way any other natural predator would act? They simply become part of the natural balance. Owlbears honestly do nothing that regular bears don't do - they're large land carnivores with no especially Monstrous/Aberrant abilities or requirements. They're nothing but funny-shaped bears with better stat blocks, there's no reason 'Nature' wouldn't just adopt them and make them part of the natural order. The difference between 'beast' and 'Monstrosity' as a creature type is a game construction anyways. Just let it be, it makes for a cool character moment/Signature Power in a movie.
It's a cool way to show off a signature D&D monster.
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The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Funny story: nature adapts. A creature like the owlbear which has existed in the wild for untold countless generations, breeds true, and acts in the way any other natural predator would act? They simply become part of the natural balance.
I was explaining, not justifying. The distinction between beast and monstrosity has always been dubious.
It basically boils down to "can you use Animal Handling on it and can a Druid wildshape into it."
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Funny story: nature adapts. A creature like the owlbear which has existed in the wild for untold countless generations, breeds true, and acts in the way any other natural predator would act? They simply become part of the natural balance.
I was explaining, not justifying. The distinction between beast and monstrosity has always been dubious.
It basically boils down to "can you use Animal Handling on it and can a Druid wildshape into it."
I meant in terms of what they put in each category. It's also pretty inconsistent between editions. The 3.5e 'animal' and 'magical beast' categories mostly change to 'beast' and 'monstrosity' in 5e, but there are a number of creatures that have changed category (such as the giant eagle), they folded 'vermin' into 'beast', and some 'monstrous humanoid' typed creatures became monstrosities as well (the way 4e categorized creatures is quite different and does not easily map to either 3.5e or 5e).
Has anyone suggested using him to cameo as Minsc with his Minature Giant Space Hamster Boo?
Apparently Owlbear is CR3 and I was wondering if we're looking at this the wrong way round.
What if that tiefling is actually an Owlbear cursed with a tiefling form with her quest to restore her true form which she can only assume briefly thanks to her druidic wildshape but with certain restrictions?
For example what we saw in that trailer is that guard smacking her causing her to briefly assume her true form before reverting back into her cursed tiefling form...
Yes unlikely but there have been weirder origins in the books I believe Phlan has a few?
Has anyone suggested using him to cameo as Minsc with his Minature Giant Space Hamster Boo?
Apparently Owlbear is CR3 and I was wondering if we're looking at this the wrong way round.
What if that tiefling is actually an Owlbear cursed with a tiefling form with her quest to restore her true form which she can only assume briefly thanks to her druidic wildshape but with certain restrictions?
For example what we saw in that trailer is that guard smacking her causing her to briefly assume her true form before reverting back into her cursed tiefling form...
Yes unlikely but there have been weirder origins in the books I believe Phlan has a few?
I figured she was a 9th level Circle of the Moon druid.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Has anyone suggested using him to cameo as Minsc with his Minature Giant Space Hamster Boo?
Apparently Owlbear is CR3 and I was wondering if we're looking at this the wrong way round.
What if that tiefling is actually an Owlbear cursed with a tiefling form with her quest to restore her true form which she can only assume briefly thanks to her druidic wildshape but with certain restrictions?
For example what we saw in that trailer is that guard smacking her causing her to briefly assume her true form before reverting back into her cursed tiefling form...
Yes unlikely but there have been weirder origins in the books I believe Phlan has a few?
I figured she was a 9th level Circle of the Moon druid.
The director said that at the start of the movie they are level 1 and they level up as the movie continues. I imagine by the end they are about level 6-7.
Anyone expecting a two-hour movie to adhere strictly and scrupulously to the RAW for a tabletop RPG is a loon. Creative license is going to happen. Accept it. Embrace it. Enjoy it for what it is. And for pete's sake, leave social media alone and don't encourage trashfires over it.
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Is there a reason why a Druid can't wildshape into an Owlbear? I don't mean "because the book says beast and it doesn't say beast on the Owlbear statblock", but a reasoned logic to it.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
There's no need to allude to a metaplot of dorks at a table running a theoretical IRL game of D&D. Let people imagine what they like - if they want to imagine the actors are just doing a really good job of narrating a game of D&D, let them. If people would rather imagine that they're watching an epic tale in a land of high fantasy with no "aww, it's just a game" stinger? Let them do that. The movie does not need to make it explicit one way or another, let folks come down where and as they will.
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Then, no. There's no "reason", just that it doesn't work Rules as Written.
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They're already confirmed to have cameos in the movie. And that makes sense. They're definitely the biggest celebrities that got famous due to D&D. (Joe Manganiello and Vin Diesel are undeniably well known, but they didn't get famous due to D&D.) So attaching them to the product by at least giving them a cameo is good for fanservice and good for people that know Critical Role but don't play the game.
Also, as said upthread, there's a lot of controversy around Satine Phoenix and her partner recently. So, WotC should try to avoid that. If she had a cameo before, it might be best to edit it out of the movie.
And Critical Role only has "enough publicity" in the hobby. Most people outside of D&D probably haven't heard of it. This movie is for all audiences, so cameos for the cast of Critical Role are definitely not "too much" or "more than enough". However, I would not object to more cameos from other D&D celebrities. Brennan Lee Mulligan, Matt Colville, David Harbour, maybe Stephen Colbert, and a few others would be nice to see. A cameo for one group doesn't mean that other people can't have cameos, too.
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'Cameo' can also just mean the CR crew show up in costume as extras somewhere. They don't even need to have speaking lines. But man, I know if I were one of Critical Role's core cast right now - remembering that all of them are actors and have been in the acting business for many years, both as voice artists and as conventional actors in many cases - I'd want to be in the movie just because I wanna be in the movie. The whole cast are (now) huge D&D nerds themselves, why not let them have some fun getting dressed up and turning up in a scene or two?
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Apparently Michelle Rodriguez has been poking fun of her Fast and Furious co-star Vin Diesel for months that she got to be in the movie and he did not. I'm frankly surprised they did not try to get him to cameo in the movie--he's probably the biggest D&D nerd in Hollywood and, though he almost certainly commands a hefty price tag, seems like the kind of person who would be in the movie just to be in the movie. I suspect that means they might be saving him for a major character in a sequel, which would be delightful.
The themed reason is "druids should turn into natural creatures, and owlbears are unnatural". Of course, the idea that a giant toad is actually natural is... dubious.
Can you point me to where it is confirmed Critical roll are in the movie, I have had 2 people on YouTube tell me that as well and when I asked for a link so I could read about it both came back and said they had just heard from someone who told someone who told them. I don’t think it has actually been confirmed as when I google critical roll dnd movie nothing comes up.
As for only having enough publicity, highest earning twitch streamers, an animated series on Amazon Prime that all of my non dnd friends have seen, love, and many now dip into the stream. I will not begrudge them if they get a role, I just feel if we are looking at cameos (and the only quote I can find is the tiefling actress saying she does know of critical roll and there is a cameo by a single YouTube dnd celebrity, which I assume would be Chris Perkins as Wizards are producing the movie, but she refuses to name names).
https://comicbook.com/gaming/amp/news/dungeons-dragons-movie-vin-diesel-joe-manganiello-cameo-comic-con-2022/
the only link I can find regarding movie cameos.
Funny story: nature adapts. A creature like the owlbear which has existed in the wild for untold countless generations, breeds true, and acts in the way any other natural predator would act? They simply become part of the natural balance. Owlbears honestly do nothing that regular bears don't do - they're large land carnivores with no especially Monstrous/Aberrant abilities or requirements. They're nothing but funny-shaped bears with better stat blocks, there's no reason 'Nature' wouldn't just adopt them and make them part of the natural order. The difference between 'beast' and 'Monstrosity' as a creature type is a game construction anyways. Just let it be, it makes for a cool character moment/Signature Power in a movie.
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According to Joe Magniello a few years ago when he was asked about this by Stephen Colbert he raised questions stating that if he does play then it is not as big a fan.
https://www.cbr.com/joe-manganiello-vin-diesel-geek-cred/amp/
Personally would rather see Joe get a cameo, he is happy not being the main character of a movie, Vin Diesal would want to make the film about him and reportedly can be toxic on sets (hence rock refuses to work with him ever again).
I can't find the source, so the claim may be false, but I'm sure I heard it in one of the cast panels.
Also, them being the most successful Twitch streamers doesn't say much for how much the general audience knows about them. I honestly could not list 3 Twitch streamers if you asked me to, and I'm sure the same applies to a lot of people (especially those 40+ years old). And how many people that don't play D&D have seen the Legend of Vox Machina? And made the connection between it and Critical Role/D&D?
And, yeah, I only ever heard "cameos for the cast of Critical Role", not "involved roles".
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Vin Diesel made a movie about one of his D&D characters; taught Dame Judi Dench how to play D&D (she now DMs for her grandchildren) on the set of the Chronicles of Riddick with Karl Urban and other cast members; and has appeared on numerous D&D related podcasts and such. If you are using a citation, maybe one from a comedy show where it is clearly a joke might not be the best of authorities! Also, pretty sure Diesal is more than happy not to be the main character in a movie. He might get cast as the lead role now, but he also is the kind of person who is perfectly happy to say "yes" to "want to play the voice of a tree with only one line of dialogue?" (though, Groot is a big star character, that was a pretty silly move back when the first film came out).
Granted, I'm also all for Manganiello getting a cameo or even a role in a future film. The guy clearly knows his stuff, loves the hobby, and is a solid actor in his own right.
I was explaining, not justifying. The distinction between beast and monstrosity has always been dubious.
It's a cool way to show off a signature D&D monster.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It basically boils down to "can you use Animal Handling on it and can a Druid wildshape into it."
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
I meant in terms of what they put in each category. It's also pretty inconsistent between editions. The 3.5e 'animal' and 'magical beast' categories mostly change to 'beast' and 'monstrosity' in 5e, but there are a number of creatures that have changed category (such as the giant eagle), they folded 'vermin' into 'beast', and some 'monstrous humanoid' typed creatures became monstrosities as well (the way 4e categorized creatures is quite different and does not easily map to either 3.5e or 5e).
Has anyone suggested using him to cameo as Minsc with his Minature Giant Space Hamster Boo?
Apparently Owlbear is CR3 and I was wondering if we're looking at this the wrong way round.
What if that tiefling is actually an Owlbear cursed with a tiefling form with her quest to restore her true form which she can only assume briefly thanks to her druidic wildshape but with certain restrictions?
For example what we saw in that trailer is that guard smacking her causing her to briefly assume her true form before reverting back into her cursed tiefling form...
Yes unlikely but there have been weirder origins in the books I believe Phlan has a few?
I figured she was a 9th level Circle of the Moon druid.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
The director said that at the start of the movie they are level 1 and they level up as the movie continues. I imagine by the end they are about level 6-7.
Anyone expecting a two-hour movie to adhere strictly and scrupulously to the RAW for a tabletop RPG is a loon. Creative license is going to happen. Accept it. Embrace it. Enjoy it for what it is. And for pete's sake, leave social media alone and don't encourage trashfires over it.
Please do not contact or message me.