Hey guess what some of us can't ****ing play pen&paper.
This whole "D&D will never die so long as I have a hardcopy book and a Dream!" thing is fantastic if your table lives in your area and you all gather around a physical table. My table lives in Minnesota, Massachusetts, Texas, Florida, and a couple of other places I haven't even figured out yet. If all you rampaging rioting yaybos kill off the edition and the digital toolset the edition is built on, my table is **** outta luck.
Some of us need the digital toolset to play the god damned game. Stop trying to burn it down and say "no worries, we'll just play good old-fashioned pen and paper like God and Gary Gygax intended!" That's amazing if it's an option for you but it is most definitively not an option for everybody.
You do realize you can play D&D online with your friends without using D&D BEYOND and without using the most recent edition of a game Wizards make?
You can but it is a LOT harder when they are not physically present to hand the books to them to reference as needed.
Players don’t need books to play. The DM is going to have the reference books to run a campaign. It’s his or her rules or interpretation of the rules that matter. In my games just because there is something in a book doesn’t mean that it makes it into my world. Players are there to Role play their character(s) and the game mechanics and setting the story is the DM’s job.
Only partly true (Players don't need books) as PCs have abilities, spells and so forth that players DO need. Now as some have stated, there are numerous resources available to track spells, abilities and the like for characters, some legal, some borderline, but they ARE out there. I think what is being said is that without the amazingly convenient DDB toolset, laying online is a LOT more cumbersome. As with many rants, it's being slightly dramatized, but I do have to agree with those who say there are dozens of methods of skinning this cat, to coin the phrase, so getting stuck on one isn't realistic.
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Talk to your Players.Talk to your DM. If more people used this advice, there would be 24.74% fewer threads on Tactics, Rules and DM discussions.
Hey guess what some of us can't ****ing play pen&paper.
This whole "D&D will never die so long as I have a hardcopy book and a Dream!" thing is fantastic if your table lives in your area and you all gather around a physical table. My table lives in Minnesota, Massachusetts, Texas, Florida, and a couple of other places I haven't even figured out yet. If all you rampaging rioting yaybos kill off the edition and the digital toolset the edition is built on, my table is **** outta luck.
Some of us need the digital toolset to play the god damned game. Stop trying to burn it down and say "no worries, we'll just play good old-fashioned pen and paper like God and Gary Gygax intended!" That's amazing if it's an option for you but it is most definitively not an option for everybody.
Your post seem to show you are completely missing the point.
1. In response to you needing DnDBeyond. People have been playing online long before DnDBeyond was a thing. In fact a lot of the outrage is because WoTC wants to make DnDVTT and DnDBeyond to be the only way you can play DnD online. There are many VTTs heck if it is a long running table with trust you can do it all over zoom and camera showing the playmat.
2.Your situation is the group that WoTC is going to hurt the most. I play in person where someone at the table own most books. I don't have to spend a dime to play DnD. If WoTC keeps on the course they are going. The only place you be able to play DnD online will be through their online service. That means if they want to charge every players $10/month to use their service plus each player having to buy the books. You have no other choice.
2. Your point that we should shut up and go away. I am sorry I won't shut up or go away. WoTC has taken 2 of my favorite hobbies I have been playing for nearly 30 years and trying to run them into the ground. I am going to do what I can to keep them great. I would say the ones that want to put their heads down and trust WoTC are doing more damage than the rabid dogs. I agree the Rabid dogs are not helping either.
3. When it comes to WoTC last few years I would say more times than not the person who says other are overreacting and WoTC would never do that or they said they won't has been wrong more than the people who have been accused of overreacting. If you played magic and play DnD you have been bitten by this dog more than you can count. It is time to put the dog down so someone can actually grow and develop the IP. WoTC needs to be spun free(experts say share value would come close to doubling) and there needs to be new management. I would say my experience is simple you can't trust anything that WoTC says unless they have a legal binding agreement and then only if there are people watching to hold them to it. If you don't they go back on it as soon as your eyes are turn.
I will say this after reading 1.2 I truly believe all wizards is doing is going to their lawyers keep everything the same but word it so it doesn't make the people mad. Notice most of the concessions they are making are not appearing in the legal binding agreement but in "policies " or FAQs. Those can be changed without changing the agreement. If they truly meant them they would be in the legal binding document.
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Only partly true (Players don't need books) as PCs have abilities, spells and so forth that players DO need. Now as some have stated, there are numerous resources available to track spells, abilities and the like for characters, some legal, some borderline, but they ARE out there. I think what is being said is that without the amazingly convenient DDB toolset, laying online is a LOT more cumbersome. As with many rants, it's being slightly dramatized, but I do have to agree with those who say there are dozens of methods of skinning this cat, to coin the phrase, so getting stuck on one isn't realistic.
Talk to your Players. Talk to your DM. If more people used this advice, there would be 24.74% fewer threads on Tactics, Rules and DM discussions.
Your post seem to show you are completely missing the point.
1. In response to you needing DnDBeyond. People have been playing online long before DnDBeyond was a thing. In fact a lot of the outrage is because WoTC wants to make DnDVTT and DnDBeyond to be the only way you can play DnD online. There are many VTTs heck if it is a long running table with trust you can do it all over zoom and camera showing the playmat.
2.Your situation is the group that WoTC is going to hurt the most. I play in person where someone at the table own most books. I don't have to spend a dime to play DnD. If WoTC keeps on the course they are going. The only place you be able to play DnD online will be through their online service. That means if they want to charge every players $10/month to use their service plus each player having to buy the books. You have no other choice.
2. Your point that we should shut up and go away. I am sorry I won't shut up or go away. WoTC has taken 2 of my favorite hobbies I have been playing for nearly 30 years and trying to run them into the ground. I am going to do what I can to keep them great. I would say the ones that want to put their heads down and trust WoTC are doing more damage than the rabid dogs. I agree the Rabid dogs are not helping either.
3. When it comes to WoTC last few years I would say more times than not the person who says other are overreacting and WoTC would never do that or they said they won't has been wrong more than the people who have been accused of overreacting. If you played magic and play DnD you have been bitten by this dog more than you can count. It is time to put the dog down so someone can actually grow and develop the IP. WoTC needs to be spun free(experts say share value would come close to doubling) and there needs to be new management. I would say my experience is simple you can't trust anything that WoTC says unless they have a legal binding agreement and then only if there are people watching to hold them to it. If you don't they go back on it as soon as your eyes are turn.
I will say this after reading 1.2 I truly believe all wizards is doing is going to their lawyers keep everything the same but word it so it doesn't make the people mad. Notice most of the concessions they are making are not appearing in the legal binding agreement but in "policies " or FAQs. Those can be changed without changing the agreement. If they truly meant them they would be in the legal binding document.