One fun (if pretty grey, rules-wise) interaction someone at our table came up with was combining Tavern Brawler with Pact of the Blade, from warlock. Blade Pact allows you to summon "a weapon you are proficient with", and Tavern Brawler gives you proficiency with improvised weapons. There is a reading of that combination that allows the warlock to summon any object they could conceivably use as a weapon as their Pact weapon - stools, beer steins, battering rams, whatever they can find in the Equipment list that could be used to deal 1d4 improvised weapon damage. This guy's favorite trick with the concept is the warlock never lacking for a place to sit, since they can freely summon a stool whenever they like.
It's not RAW< and it's probably not RAI, but it does make Pact of the Blade a little less dooky.
some improvised weapons can be treated like the weapon they are similar to such as a table leg or a gnome can be a club.
I would make it more of a specialized form of martial arts. There is a book called Shibumi were the protagonist can use almost anything as a weapon, but in the book he has years of training.
I think you could build such a character based on a Monk.
However, keeping in mind that things not meat to be weapons may not survive past one hit. But it may also turn it into a new weapon. Hit someone one the head with a bottle. The bottle breaks and now has sharp edges
To expand on the above. Relevant rules are likely from PHB 146 and 147
"Proficiency with a weapon allows you to add your proficiency bonus to the attack roll for any attack you make with that weapon. If you make an attack roll using a weapon with which you lack proficiency, you do not add your proficiency bonus to the attack roll."
"Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus"
So from there, it would be up to the DM to decide if the player can count the object as a weapon. A common one is the use of a rod by a wizard or warlock as a club or even mace since they can use it as an arcane focus. I think for staffs the rules actually specify somewhere that a staff counts as a quarterstaff weapon.
As Davyd notes, there's also the Tavern Brawler feat which actually gives a player proficiency with any improvised weapon... including a dead body in one case I recall playing... There's nothing quite so funny as the party knight beating an air elemental to death with your dead wizard's carcass.
However, keeping in mind that things not meat to be weapons may not survive past one hit. But it may also turn it into a new weapon. Hit someone one the head with a bottle. The bottle breaks and now has sharp edges
If you hit somebody in the head hard enough to break the bottle, they are going to the hospital. But I guess that's what 1d4 damage is to somebody with only 3 hp =)
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However, keeping in mind that things not meat to be weapons may not survive past one hit. But it may also turn it into a new weapon. Hit someone one the head with a bottle. The bottle breaks and now has sharp edges
If you hit somebody in the head hard enough to break the bottle, they are going to the hospital. But I guess that's what 1d4 damage is to somebody with only 3 hp =)
Most bottles won’t break. You’re likely to bludgeon someone to death with a wine bottle before it’ll ever break. And those are modern bottles. Ye olde time bottles were thicker.
However, keeping in mind that things not meat to be weapons may not survive past one hit. But it may also turn it into a new weapon. Hit someone one the head with a bottle. The bottle breaks and now has sharp edges
If you hit somebody in the head hard enough to break the bottle, they are going to the hospital. But I guess that's what 1d4 damage is to somebody with only 3 hp =)
Most bottles won’t break. You’re likely to bludgeon someone to death with a wine bottle before it’ll ever break. And those are modern bottles. Ye olde time bottles were thicker.
Meaning that if you hit them hard enough to break the bottle, they go to the mortuary?
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However, keeping in mind that things not meat to be weapons may not survive past one hit. But it may also turn it into a new weapon. Hit someone one the head with a bottle. The bottle breaks and now has sharp edges
If you hit somebody in the head hard enough to break the bottle, they are going to the hospital. But I guess that's what 1d4 damage is to somebody with only 3 hp =)
Most bottles won’t break. You’re likely to bludgeon someone to death with a wine bottle before it’ll ever break. And those are modern bottles. Ye olde time bottles were thicker.
Meaning that if you hit them hard enough to break the bottle, they go to the mortuary?
If you hit them hard enough to break the bottle, get a sponge. The walls are gonna need cleaning.
Blade Pact allows you to summon "a weapon you are proficient with"
No, what it says is: "You can use your Action to create a pact weapon in your empty hand. You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it. You are proficient with it while you wield it."
So if we interpret that anything can be a weapon, fine. But you don't need Tavern Brawler at all. You are already proficient by Pact of the blade. On the other hand, if we interpret "melee weapon" as referring to real "melee weapons" and not things that can be used as such, you couldn't give it the shape of a frying pan (for example). Not even if you have Tavern Brawler, since it doesn't ask you to be proficient. It only asks you to be a "melee weapon".
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Would you allow a PC to get proficiency in improvised weapons?
This would turn the equipment list into the objects of mayhem, with bonuses!
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If a PC wanted proficiency in improvised weapons, I'd recommend they take the tavern brawler feat
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One fun (if pretty grey, rules-wise) interaction someone at our table came up with was combining Tavern Brawler with Pact of the Blade, from warlock. Blade Pact allows you to summon "a weapon you are proficient with", and Tavern Brawler gives you proficiency with improvised weapons. There is a reading of that combination that allows the warlock to summon any object they could conceivably use as a weapon as their Pact weapon - stools, beer steins, battering rams, whatever they can find in the Equipment list that could be used to deal 1d4 improvised weapon damage. This guy's favorite trick with the concept is the warlock never lacking for a place to sit, since they can freely summon a stool whenever they like.
It's not RAW< and it's probably not RAI, but it does make Pact of the Blade a little less dooky.
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I don't use Feats in my games so this was very informative.
Thanks!
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
some improvised weapons can be treated like the weapon they are similar to such as a table leg or a gnome can be a club.
I would make it more of a specialized form of martial arts. There is a book called Shibumi were the protagonist can use almost anything as a weapon, but in the book he has years of training.
I think you could build such a character based on a Monk.
However, keeping in mind that things not meat to be weapons may not survive past one hit. But it may also turn it into a new weapon. Hit someone one the head with a bottle. The bottle breaks and now has sharp edges
To expand on the above. Relevant rules are likely from PHB 146 and 147
"Proficiency with a weapon allows you to add your proficiency bonus to the attack roll for any attack you make with that weapon. If you make an attack roll using a weapon with which you lack proficiency, you do not add your proficiency bonus to the attack roll."
"Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM’s option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus"
So from there, it would be up to the DM to decide if the player can count the object as a weapon. A common one is the use of a rod by a wizard or warlock as a club or even mace since they can use it as an arcane focus. I think for staffs the rules actually specify somewhere that a staff counts as a quarterstaff weapon.
As Davyd notes, there's also the Tavern Brawler feat which actually gives a player proficiency with any improvised weapon... including a dead body in one case I recall playing... There's nothing quite so funny as the party knight beating an air elemental to death with your dead wizard's carcass.
If you hit somebody in the head hard enough to break the bottle, they are going to the hospital. But I guess that's what 1d4 damage is to somebody with only 3 hp =)
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
Most bottles won’t break. You’re likely to bludgeon someone to death with a wine bottle before it’ll ever break. And those are modern bottles. Ye olde time bottles were thicker.
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Meaning that if you hit them hard enough to break the bottle, they go to the mortuary?
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No, what it says is:
"You can use your Action to create a pact weapon in your empty hand. You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it. You are proficient with it while you wield it."
So if we interpret that anything can be a weapon, fine. But you don't need Tavern Brawler at all. You are already proficient by Pact of the blade. On the other hand, if we interpret "melee weapon" as referring to real "melee weapons" and not things that can be used as such, you couldn't give it the shape of a frying pan (for example). Not even if you have Tavern Brawler, since it doesn't ask you to be proficient. It only asks you to be a "melee weapon".