I want to make a new character but I want it to be two half dwarves half elves stacked on top of each other trench coat style. Is that possible and could I use them as one character?
Clearly that's OP because combined they're both an elf AND a dwarf. They need to be half dwarves half nothing, or half elves half nothing. Or one of each...
Realistically there's very little that would meaningfully be unbalanced by doing this, unless you started trying to leverage it like "I should get two DEX saves against Fireball" or "both my characters get Extra Attack so that's 4 attacks." If your table is really hesitant to let your character be in two places at once during non-combat scenes, you could probably make a Pact of the Chain Warlock or something and just refuse to use all the fancy powers the imp or quasit has and pretend it's a dwelf. But like, it's really not a big deal.
It's worth noting that ... say a dwarf is 1,5 meters tall. No reason your dwelves would be shorter, so stack two of them and now you've got an almost 3 meters tall double-half-dwelf with suspiciously short arms. As cartoonishly funny as that might be, I as a GM wouldn't rule that npc's of the game world would fall for it.
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We call them Sprights in my world, and even if they were short for Sprights, they'd be 3'10" tall, making them together over 7' tall, so that trench would have to be custom -- probably about double because you *know* how those damned tailors can be.
If your DM allows a player to run two PCs, I don't see a problem with it. That used to be pretty common in the old 1e/2e days, when Multiclassing was a pain.
If you are asking if you can treat them as one single character, well...
Probably not. It is still two people.
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It's worth noting that ... say a dwarf is 1,5 meters tall. No reason your dwelves would be shorter, so stack two of them and now you've got an almost 3 meters tall double-half-dwelf with suspiciously short arms. As cartoonishly funny as that might be, I as a GM wouldn't rule that npc's of the game world would fall for it.
It wouldn't be 3 meters. Your butt would be resting on their shoulders, so your legs wouldn't count towards height, nor would their height.
Assuming Dwarves have similar bodily proportions to people (probably a bad assumption, but it's the best I have at the moment), sitting down, butt to skull cap is about half your standing height. So the second Dwarf, using your base of 150cm, would contribute 75cm to the height, for a total of 225cm. Except, the base Dwarf doesn't contribute their head or neck. Scaling, that's about 20cm for the head and 9cm for the neck, so it'd be about 195cm tall.
That's very tall (assuming we're talking about medieval time period) but not impossibly so. It would be immediately obvious, just not because of the height.
We're also talking about a game where three kobolds pull the same trick though...
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I want to make a new character but I want it to be two half dwarves half elves stacked on top of each other trench coat style. Is that possible and could I use them as one character?
Your DM has the final say, not us. That said, it's unlikely because the Two Smalls in a Trench Coat thing not only causes all sorts of rules headaches for how your two entirely separate people only count as a single game entity, but is also an old bad tired shitty joke that stopped being funny before half the modern playerbase was born.
Which is why it's a good thing your DM gets the final say, really. Because anyone who takes the game remotely seriously will shoot down "Two Little Dudes in a Trenchcoat" like a woman at a bar shooting down her tenth drunken suitor of the night. Dead gods I HATE that alleged "joke".
It's not an exact number, but traditionally when you stack dwarves, they don't sit on each others shoulders - they stand. So ... sure, not quite 3 meters, but still well over 2,5. I'd link some evidence, but I'm not sure that's a popular thing to do, so suffice it to say that Disney (the foremost authority on dwarf stacking) has them standing. Actually, on each others heads.
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No, you cannot. Two entities like NPC's and PC's cannot start nor end their turn in the same spot. And I can see where this is going: If that is allowed, then 3 Kobolds stacked can have Pack Tactics.
My rule of thumb for getting a wacky idea past a DM is, don't give yourself any additional benefits, but assume you're going to take some additional penalties. So, like, your character isn't gonna be allowed to wear two different magical armors and get the benefits of both. But if the boat they're on is rocked by a big wave, they might have to make their Dexterity save with disadvantage just because it's hard to keep your balance like that.
Realistically, you probably won't have to deal with these penalties for long, unless you're trying to finagle benefits out of your DM. But idk, you might. Best to get comfortable with that.
I am a rather permissive DM, very happy to work with my players during character creation to ensure their ideas work within my campaign setting. I am also quite permissive with joke characters, provided I know the player well enough to know there will be more there than just the joke.
I would not allow this.
I can buy a world of magic and dragons. I can buy folks strong enough to carry small arsenals with them everywhere. But two characters indefinitely keeping their balance when stacked, while in the midst of combat, when that is difficult to do even for professional acrobats? That is a step too far for me, and is the kind of quick-to-grow-old joke that would really break my ability to immerse myself in the fantasy of the game.
That does not mean you cannot. But it does mean you should think twice. If someone as permissive as me would find this untenable… I’m guessing most players would as well.
But if I did allow it then I would tell the player that they would treat it as one PC. Basically, a “flavor is free” approach so it would have no mechanical differences than if it were a single creature (they would basically forever be in the same space, one could not leave the other unless it was no more than when taking a long rest dwelf #1 slept in a bedroll while dwelf #2 slept up against the tree next to the bedroll.
I want to make a new character but I want it to be two half dwarves half elves stacked on top of each other trench coat style. Is that possible and could I use them as one character?
RAW, no. But if your DM says it’s okay….
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Clearly that's OP because combined they're both an elf AND a dwarf. They need to be half dwarves half nothing, or half elves half nothing. Or one of each...
Realistically there's very little that would meaningfully be unbalanced by doing this, unless you started trying to leverage it like "I should get two DEX saves against Fireball" or "both my characters get Extra Attack so that's 4 attacks." If your table is really hesitant to let your character be in two places at once during non-combat scenes, you could probably make a Pact of the Chain Warlock or something and just refuse to use all the fancy powers the imp or quasit has and pretend it's a dwelf. But like, it's really not a big deal.
It's worth noting that ... say a dwarf is 1,5 meters tall. No reason your dwelves would be shorter, so stack two of them and now you've got an almost 3 meters tall double-half-dwelf with suspiciously short arms. As cartoonishly funny as that might be, I as a GM wouldn't rule that npc's of the game world would fall for it.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
We call them Sprights in my world, and even if they were short for Sprights, they'd be 3'10" tall, making them together over 7' tall, so that trench would have to be custom -- probably about double because you *know* how those damned tailors can be.
If your DM allows a player to run two PCs, I don't see a problem with it. That used to be pretty common in the old 1e/2e days, when Multiclassing was a pain.
If you are asking if you can treat them as one single character, well...
Probably not. It is still two people.
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It wouldn't be 3 meters. Your butt would be resting on their shoulders, so your legs wouldn't count towards height, nor would their height.
Assuming Dwarves have similar bodily proportions to people (probably a bad assumption, but it's the best I have at the moment), sitting down, butt to skull cap is about half your standing height. So the second Dwarf, using your base of 150cm, would contribute 75cm to the height, for a total of 225cm. Except, the base Dwarf doesn't contribute their head or neck. Scaling, that's about 20cm for the head and 9cm for the neck, so it'd be about 195cm tall.
That's very tall (assuming we're talking about medieval time period) but not impossibly so. It would be immediately obvious, just not because of the height.
We're also talking about a game where three kobolds pull the same trick though...
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Your DM has the final say, not us. That said, it's unlikely because the Two Smalls in a Trench Coat thing not only causes all sorts of rules headaches for how your two entirely separate people only count as a single game entity, but is also an old bad tired shitty joke that stopped being funny before half the modern playerbase was born.
Which is why it's a good thing your DM gets the final say, really. Because anyone who takes the game remotely seriously will shoot down "Two Little Dudes in a Trenchcoat" like a woman at a bar shooting down her tenth drunken suitor of the night. Dead gods I HATE that alleged "joke".
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It's not an exact number, but traditionally when you stack dwarves, they don't sit on each others shoulders - they stand. So ... sure, not quite 3 meters, but still well over 2,5. I'd link some evidence, but I'm not sure that's a popular thing to do, so suffice it to say that Disney (the foremost authority on dwarf stacking) has them standing. Actually, on each others heads.
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No, you cannot. Two entities like NPC's and PC's cannot start nor end their turn in the same spot. And I can see where this is going: If that is allowed, then 3 Kobolds stacked can have Pack Tactics.
My rule of thumb for getting a wacky idea past a DM is, don't give yourself any additional benefits, but assume you're going to take some additional penalties. So, like, your character isn't gonna be allowed to wear two different magical armors and get the benefits of both. But if the boat they're on is rocked by a big wave, they might have to make their Dexterity save with disadvantage just because it's hard to keep your balance like that.
Realistically, you probably won't have to deal with these penalties for long, unless you're trying to finagle benefits out of your DM. But idk, you might. Best to get comfortable with that.
I am a rather permissive DM, very happy to work with my players during character creation to ensure their ideas work within my campaign setting. I am also quite permissive with joke characters, provided I know the player well enough to know there will be more there than just the joke.
I would not allow this.
I can buy a world of magic and dragons. I can buy folks strong enough to carry small arsenals with them everywhere. But two characters indefinitely keeping their balance when stacked, while in the midst of combat, when that is difficult to do even for professional acrobats? That is a step too far for me, and is the kind of quick-to-grow-old joke that would really break my ability to immerse myself in the fantasy of the game.
That does not mean you cannot. But it does mean you should think twice. If someone as permissive as me would find this untenable… I’m guessing most players would as well.
Wouldn't a half dwarf half elf be taller than a normal dwarf, and thus putting two of them in a trenchcoat would be suspicious? They're both Medium.
I could see two Forest Gnomes doing this to try and pass as an elf maybe - or better yet a firbolg - especially given how silly gnomes can behave.
If I were DM I would t allow it.
But if I did allow it then I would tell the player that they would treat it as one PC. Basically, a “flavor is free” approach so it would have no mechanical differences than if it were a single creature (they would basically forever be in the same space, one could not leave the other unless it was no more than when taking a long rest dwelf #1 slept in a bedroll while dwelf #2 slept up against the tree next to the bedroll.
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