afaik 5e still will be acessible, and you expected still be able to play 5e after 5.5 go live (likely there will be no official 5.0 content after -only 5.5, and some third party where deals was done pre transfer on 5.5 perhaps)
though trusting wotc word for long term isn't thing i would do
It's all still D&D fifth edition, no "5.0" vs "5.5"
afaik 5e still will be acessible, and you expected still be able to play 5e after 5.5 go live (likely there will be no official 5.0 content after -only 5.5, and some third party where deals was done pre transfer on 5.5 perhaps)
though trusting wotc word for long term isn't thing i would do
It's all still D&D fifth edition, no "5.0" vs "5.5"
It's all still the same edition
There was no official 3.5e designation, either. However there is still a version control issue.
Edit: If it is all still the same edition, then we really are no longer playing by the rules if we stick with the 2014 version and there is no reason at all to expect the 2014 version to be supported at all. Really hope you are wrong about that.
But what will happen to our old digital books on dnd beyond will they disappear? Because I recently bought them and some other 5e digitally, so does anyone know what will happen to our books?
I guess I want to know if we can pick and choose like how they have it for the dragonborn race.
If you let us pick races from the original so players feel differentiated in their genetic ability while also picking a background which can grant bonuses, we could have a really interesting / personalized game structure. But if we are stuck to picking one or the other (or worse, it just overrides everything), then this isn't really worth it to my players.
Hope we see them make it totally customizable. That and allowing us to create homebrew classes. . . really waiting on that one.
So basically when 6e happens, DNDbeyond will no longer support 5e character creation?
This isn't a 6th edition, either; folks are gonna call it what they're gonna call it: 5.5e, 5th edition revised/remastered/remixed, whatever, but this is still 5th Edition.
That's a significant part of the problem. They need to name it. If you say 5e - everyone is going to think you're referring to what they're now calling 2014 (which is actually 2014 - 2024 content). There needs to be an easy way to distinguish what version of the game you're playing. The easiest method would be to call it 5.5e (or 5.1, whatever). But calling it 2024 doesn't work. Only 2 books are coming out in 2024, the third in 2025 (then others will follow). Are people supposed to say "I play 5e - 2014 version"?
Seems to me it would benefit everyone (including their marketing) to put a name on it, and might as well follow the naming convention that's been used since 2nd edition.
Also, I must say that i'm extremely disappointed in DnDBeyond/WOTC for how LITTLE information we're actually being given as to how exactly this will be rolled out. Those of us running campaigns kind of need to know.
Which version of 2nd edition? You know about that, right? This ain't even close to that.
Pathfinder 2E just put out a remastered core. If you go on Warhorn people using the remastered core are still advertising their games as PF2. Paizo has put out short guidance to deal with a few discrepancies, and some hot fixes to classes that don't appear in the core and not slated for the player core 2. Maybe since the bulk of PF players generally have some significant gaming under the belt, but there just wasn't the sky is falling moment some D&D commenters are thriving on here and elsewhere.
A lot of the "naming conventions" for for expressions of D&D rules developed over time post publication of respective cores, and 5e has always been something WotC has been a bit ambivalent over as a descriptor.
I've seen nothing between the new D&D core and the 2014 core books that a DM not prone to fits of online apoplexy will be incapable of sorting out to their table's liking. At the end of the day, DM's and players will have to pick up the books for themselves and play it, or wait to hear more from the early adopting/experimenting player base. It's not WotC's job to read the rules aloud to you, there'd be no point in selling books. If you have an active campaign now, you don't need the new books. You can adopt them when, and more importantly if, your campaign is in a position to do so. It's not like if you're running a standing game on the 2014 core come February 2025 at your FLGS, people are going to firebomb your table because you're "unsupported." I mean, if it does, that's something to take up with the store's manager.
So basically when 6e happens, DNDbeyond will no longer support 5e character creation?
This isn't a 6th edition, either; folks are gonna call it what they're gonna call it: 5.5e, 5th edition revised/remastered/remixed, whatever, but this is still 5th Edition.
That's a significant part of the problem. They need to name it. If you say 5e - everyone is going to think you're referring to what they're now calling 2014 (which is actually 2014 - 2024 content). There needs to be an easy way to distinguish what version of the game you're playing. The easiest method would be to call it 5.5e (or 5.1, whatever). But calling it 2024 doesn't work. Only 2 books are coming out in 2024, the third in 2025 (then others will follow). Are people supposed to say "I play 5e - 2014 version"?
Seems to me it would benefit everyone (including their marketing) to put a name on it, and might as well follow the naming convention that's been used since 2nd edition.
Also, I must say that i'm extremely disappointed in DnDBeyond/WOTC for how LITTLE information we're actually being given as to how exactly this will be rolled out. Those of us running campaigns kind of need to know.
Which version of 2nd edition? You know about that, right? This ain't even close to that.
Pathfinder 2E just put out a remastered core. If you go on Warhorn people using the remastered core are still advertising their games as PF2. Paizo has put out short guidance to deal with a few discrepancies, and some hot fixes to classes that don't appear in the core and not slated for the player core 2. Maybe since the bulk of PF players generally have some significant gaming under the belt, but there just wasn't the sky is falling moment some D&D commenters are thriving on here and elsewhere.
A lot of the "naming conventions" for for expressions of D&D rules developed over time post publication of respective cores, and 5e has always been something WotC has been a bit ambivalent over as a descriptor.
I've seen nothing between the new D&D core and the 2014 core books that a DM not prone to fits of online apoplexy will be incapable of sorting out to their table's liking. At the end of the day, DM's and players will have to pick up the books for themselves and play it, or wait to hear more from the early adopting/experimenting player base. It's not WotC's job to read the rules aloud to you, there'd be no point in selling books. If you have an active campaign now, you don't need the new books. You can adopt them when, and more importantly if, your campaign is in a position to do so. It's not like if you're running a standing game on the 2014 core come February 2025 at your FLGS, people are going to firebomb your table because you're "unsupported." I mean, if it does, that's something to take up with the store's manager.
what’s coming in September is a new edition period. Character Generation has been reworked, combat mechanics are being added and new features will appear to have to be fully player tested to really understand how the new rules have been “ Reimagined “.
It’s a 4e and 2e love child called 2024 6th Edition D&D. As someone who has been though 4 versions, since 2e ‘90 days, this is 6th edition plain as day. ( not much of a revision if optional rules are now forced to be accepted official rules, sounds like a new edition, quacks like a new edition, and when all is said and done, it will ultimately be called the 6th edition. )
Now question is how will this site support the new 6e rules books as far as the character generation system is concerned?
So first off the duck test is looks, swims, quacks. Employing sounds and quacks (a subcategory of sound) together betrays a sort of tone deafness or fuzzy understanding on how idiomatic expressions work and thus a flourish comes to actually stylistically undermine the argument.
As a someone whose been through two simultaneous versions (red box and AD&D) and four or more editions after that (depending how you handled 2nd and 3rd), I can say it's D&D and still very much 5e. A lot of the optional rules were codified back in Tasha's and MMM, and just required a revisitation to the PHB to apply them to some core features. The level progressions, etc. are as interoperable as any 3rd party class imported to a game, likely requiring some DM adjudication, but likely not brain wrecking adjudication. Maybe people will all it 6th, maybe it will be called 5.5, maybe 5, or maybe just D&D.
As for how some of the character generation steps that aren't reflected in DDB will manifest, and the broader question of how 2014 and 2024 will be presumably simultaneously supported at least until the full core is out, there will be product support thread in a few months. I'd like to think despite some of the caginess we've been exposed to, a new core book will be fully functional when it launches. But that's a statement of preference, not an assertion.
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So first off the duck test is looks, swims, quacks. Employing sounds and quacks (a subcategory of sound) together betrays a sort of tone deafness or fuzzy understanding on how idiomatic expressions work and thus a flourish comes to actually stylistically undermine the argument.
As a someone whose been through two simultaneous versions (red box and AD&D) and four or more editions after that (depending how you handled 2nd and 3rd), I can say it's D&D and still very much 5e. A lot of the optional rules were codified back in Tasha's and MMM, and just required a revisitation to the PHB to apply them to some core features. The level progressions, etc. are as interoperable as any 3rd party class imported to a game, likely requiring some DM adjudication, but likely not brain wrecking adjudication. Maybe people will all it 6th, maybe it will be called 5.5, maybe 5, or maybe just D&D.
As for how some of the character generation steps that aren't reflected in DDB will manifest, and the broader question of how 2014 and 2024 will be presumably simultaneously supported at least until the full core is out, there will be product support thread in a few months. I'd like to think despite some of the caginess we've been exposed to, a new core book will be fully functional when it launches. But that's a statement of preference, not an assertion.
The terminology used in determining whether a game system is fundamentally classified as a major revision or a complete overhaul is very distinct in the context of what extent a designer has in the ability to make design changes and remain consistent with formal design functionality.
This new design fundamentally changes the design process of character creation and because of this change, a fundamental change in the design and functionality of other game elements is required to be changed in order to for some semblance of consistency to exist.
It’s no longer 5th edition, it’s soon to be 6th edition for the next whatever timeframe it will exist, and it’s coming whether people like it or not. ( And so what, D&D as been played for 50 years is going nowhere, but the fact remains, 10 years later and 5e is still the better version of all thats been produced yet.)
If 2014 and 2024 PCs can still play together, it is still just 5e. This is no different from players using sidekicks and NPC stat blocks. Adding a new character creation method alone is not enough to warrant a new edition, and this character creation method is not even that different from the old one.
I just don't want to lose what I paid for. That's all. I spent an absurd amount of money on digital copies so I could carry my lightweight computer instead of 32000 pounds of books.
i mean yes but what im curious about as someone who wants to stay as a 2014 rules player...
Will the rules for the things i use be forceably updated. For example im a cleric main in most instances... spirit guardians is currently a sphere effect, will it continue to be a sphere effect on my spell sheet or will it now reflect the 2024 rules of being called an "emanation" when i choose to prepare the spell because of the way dnd beyond pull information through from its backend, or will there now be two versions of the spell? one from 2014 and one from 2024 and will i only see the 2014 version if i keep my 2014 rules created character (so i dont have to put up with even more spell list bloat when choosing spells)
(i swear to god if someone starts patronizingly explaining that "well actually an emanation and a sphere effect in this instance are basically the same thing..." i will actually scream. like how people have been laboriously jumping in with "well actually its not 5.5", because it misses the fundamental question of "are they gonna change my stuff that ive paid money for, if i dont want them to?" which is really all that anyone wants to know.)
What D&D Beyond is going to implement is a big question. I don't know if it can be integrated with the existing tools. I cannot imagine the headaches of trying to integrate the tools together where they will work with Campaigns, Maps, and Encounters. I fear that there will be new tools and the new VTT will be the playground for them.
They made revisions to some races a short time ago. They are still available and are now labeled 'legacy'.
If they do something similar and leave in place the 2014 versions that you can still use and access but the new stuff is the default then I'll be satisfied.
So basically when 6e happens, DNDbeyond will no longer support 5e character creation?
No. People will rant and holler and sky-is-falling Doom Prophecize this because they're fishing for an excuse to be furious at Wizards for trying to sell books, but no.
At worst, the 2014 books will go Legacy. Frankly I don't know if this will be the case, but if you currently have access to the 2014 books you will not lose that access. We have no Official Announcement about how this will work yet, but I very strongly suspect that character creation will have a toggle - when you click "Create Character", the first choice you get will be "create a 2014 Core Rules Character" or "Create a 2024 Core Rules Character". It's kinna the only logical way to do it.
Per that changelog and how it's handling spells/magic items, seems this prediction turned out to be wrong. It's the same prediction I had myself. It seemed like the most reasonable prediction. Certainly WotC wouldn't be stupid enough to break people's current purchases. That's crazy! But it seems to have been wrong and is a rather negative sign on how DDB will be going on.
If 2014 and 2024 PCs can still play together, it is still just 5e. This is no different from players using sidekicks and NPC stat blocks. Adding a new character creation method alone is not enough to warrant a new edition, and this character creation method is not even that different from the old one.
But would you allow people to mix-and-match class features? Use old spells that have been revised? Maybe play the 2014 paladin with the multiple smites but allow 2024 subclasses and spells? Or take the old version of the Magic Initiate feat with a new background?
So, I may be dumb and not understanding. Are these new rule books required to play now? Like, what if I want to still play 5e, will these books completely replace the old 5e books (PHB, DMG, MM)? Will I have to buy these to be able to play still?
The only one that is partially available now is the PHB. The other two will come out something like two or three months apart. So if someone in your group has a copy, they can start playing by the rules immediately and just convert the monsters' abilities to conform to the new rules. As far as required, no. You are free to keep playing 2014 as long as you want, but if you want to play by the 2024 rules, you will either need to create a new character or bring your old character over and for anything that has changed you have to convert. If the new rules haven't changed anything, then you need do nothing. For example, your Paladin that used to Smite monsters out of existence because he multiclassed, can now only Smite as a bonus action. Which boils down to once per round.
So basically when 6e happens, DNDbeyond will no longer support 5e character creation?
No. People will rant and holler and sky-is-falling Doom Prophecize this because they're fishing for an excuse to be furious at Wizards for trying to sell books, but no.
At worst, the 2014 books will go Legacy. Frankly I don't know if this will be the case, but if you currently have access to the 2014 books you will not lose that access. We have no Official Announcement about how this will work yet, but I very strongly suspect that character creation will have a toggle - when you click "Create Character", the first choice you get will be "create a 2014 Core Rules Character" or "Create a 2024 Core Rules Character". It's kinna the only logical way to do it.
Per that changelog and how it's handling spells/magic items, seems this prediction turned out to be wrong. It's the same prediction I had myself. It seemed like the most reasonable prediction. Certainly WotC wouldn't be stupid enough to break people's current purchases. That's crazy! But it seems to have been wrong and is a rather negative sign on how DDB will be going on.
To be honest what we're getting is more wgat I was expecting than being able to toggle new stuff on or off. DDB tends to go for the most brute force solution to any problem so a long list of classes that offers both old and new at the same time is very in character
Yeah, this is what I expected, just lists of stuff. While you cant use old versions magic items and spells, like that 2014 backgrounds are still usable and can be used to costumize the 2024 versions.
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It's all still D&D fifth edition, no "5.0" vs "5.5"
It's all still the same edition
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There was no official 3.5e designation, either. However there is still a version control issue.
Edit: If it is all still the same edition, then we really are no longer playing by the rules if we stick with the 2014 version and there is no reason at all to expect the 2014 version to be supported at all. Really hope you are wrong about that.
But what will happen to our old digital books on dnd beyond will they disappear? Because I recently bought them and some other 5e digitally, so does anyone know what will happen to our books?
I guess I want to know if we can pick and choose like how they have it for the dragonborn race.
If you let us pick races from the original so players feel differentiated in their genetic ability while also picking a background which can grant bonuses, we could have a really interesting / personalized game structure. But if we are stuck to picking one or the other (or worse, it just overrides everything), then this isn't really worth it to my players.
Hope we see them make it totally customizable. That and allowing us to create homebrew classes. . . really waiting on that one.
Which version of 2nd edition? You know about that, right? This ain't even close to that.
Pathfinder 2E just put out a remastered core. If you go on Warhorn people using the remastered core are still advertising their games as PF2. Paizo has put out short guidance to deal with a few discrepancies, and some hot fixes to classes that don't appear in the core and not slated for the player core 2. Maybe since the bulk of PF players generally have some significant gaming under the belt, but there just wasn't the sky is falling moment some D&D commenters are thriving on here and elsewhere.
A lot of the "naming conventions" for for expressions of D&D rules developed over time post publication of respective cores, and 5e has always been something WotC has been a bit ambivalent over as a descriptor.
I've seen nothing between the new D&D core and the 2014 core books that a DM not prone to fits of online apoplexy will be incapable of sorting out to their table's liking. At the end of the day, DM's and players will have to pick up the books for themselves and play it, or wait to hear more from the early adopting/experimenting player base. It's not WotC's job to read the rules aloud to you, there'd be no point in selling books. If you have an active campaign now, you don't need the new books. You can adopt them when, and more importantly if, your campaign is in a position to do so. It's not like if you're running a standing game on the 2014 core come February 2025 at your FLGS, people are going to firebomb your table because you're "unsupported." I mean, if it does, that's something to take up with the store's manager.
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what’s coming in September is a new edition period. Character Generation has been reworked, combat mechanics are being added and new features will appear to have to be fully player tested to really understand how the new rules have been “ Reimagined “.
It’s a 4e and 2e love child called 2024 6th Edition D&D. As someone who has been though 4 versions, since 2e ‘90 days, this is 6th edition plain as day.
( not much of a revision if optional rules are now forced to be accepted official rules, sounds like a new edition, quacks like a new edition, and when all is said and done, it will ultimately be called the 6th edition. )
Now question is how will this site support the new 6e rules books as far as the character generation system is concerned?
So first off the duck test is looks, swims, quacks. Employing sounds and quacks (a subcategory of sound) together betrays a sort of tone deafness or fuzzy understanding on how idiomatic expressions work and thus a flourish comes to actually stylistically undermine the argument.
As a someone whose been through two simultaneous versions (red box and AD&D) and four or more editions after that (depending how you handled 2nd and 3rd), I can say it's D&D and still very much 5e. A lot of the optional rules were codified back in Tasha's and MMM, and just required a revisitation to the PHB to apply them to some core features. The level progressions, etc. are as interoperable as any 3rd party class imported to a game, likely requiring some DM adjudication, but likely not brain wrecking adjudication. Maybe people will all it 6th, maybe it will be called 5.5, maybe 5, or maybe just D&D.
As for how some of the character generation steps that aren't reflected in DDB will manifest, and the broader question of how 2014 and 2024 will be presumably simultaneously supported at least until the full core is out, there will be product support thread in a few months. I'd like to think despite some of the caginess we've been exposed to, a new core book will be fully functional when it launches. But that's a statement of preference, not an assertion.
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The terminology used in determining whether a game system is fundamentally classified as a major revision or a complete overhaul is very distinct in the context of what extent a designer has in the ability to make design changes and remain consistent with formal design functionality.
This new design fundamentally changes the design process of character creation and because of this change, a fundamental change in the design and functionality of other game elements is required to be changed in order to for some semblance of consistency to exist.
It’s no longer 5th edition, it’s soon to be 6th edition for the next whatever timeframe it will exist, and it’s coming whether people like it or not. ( And so what, D&D as been played for 50 years is going nowhere, but the fact remains, 10 years later and 5e is still the better version of all thats been produced yet.)
If 2014 and 2024 PCs can still play together, it is still just 5e. This is no different from players using sidekicks and NPC stat blocks. Adding a new character creation method alone is not enough to warrant a new edition, and this character creation method is not even that different from the old one.
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I just don't want to lose what I paid for. That's all. I spent an absurd amount of money on digital copies so I could carry my lightweight computer instead of 32000 pounds of books.
i mean yes but what im curious about as someone who wants to stay as a 2014 rules player...
Will the rules for the things i use be forceably updated. For example im a cleric main in most instances... spirit guardians is currently a sphere effect, will it continue to be a sphere effect on my spell sheet or will it now reflect the 2024 rules of being called an "emanation" when i choose to prepare the spell because of the way dnd beyond pull information through from its backend, or will there now be two versions of the spell? one from 2014 and one from 2024 and will i only see the 2014 version if i keep my 2014 rules created character (so i dont have to put up with even more spell list bloat when choosing spells)
(i swear to god if someone starts patronizingly explaining that "well actually an emanation and a sphere effect in this instance are basically the same thing..." i will actually scream. like how people have been laboriously jumping in with "well actually its not 5.5", because it misses the fundamental question of "are they gonna change my stuff that ive paid money for, if i dont want them to?" which is really all that anyone wants to know.)
What D&D Beyond is going to implement is a big question. I don't know if it can be integrated with the existing tools. I cannot imagine the headaches of trying to integrate the tools together where they will work with Campaigns, Maps, and Encounters. I fear that there will be new tools and the new VTT will be the playground for them.
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They made revisions to some races a short time ago. They are still available and are now labeled 'legacy'.
If they do something similar and leave in place the 2014 versions that you can still use and access but the new stuff is the default then I'll be satisfied.
My biggest fear as well.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog#UpdatingtheDDBeyondToolsetforthe2024CoreRulebooks
Lots of good info here
Per that changelog and how it's handling spells/magic items, seems this prediction turned out to be wrong. It's the same prediction I had myself. It seemed like the most reasonable prediction. Certainly WotC wouldn't be stupid enough to break people's current purchases. That's crazy! But it seems to have been wrong and is a rather negative sign on how DDB will be going on.
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But would you allow people to mix-and-match class features? Use old spells that have been revised?
Maybe play the 2014 paladin with the multiple smites but allow 2024 subclasses and spells? Or take the old version of the Magic Initiate feat with a new background?
The only one that is partially available now is the PHB. The other two will come out something like two or three months apart. So if someone in your group has a copy, they can start playing by the rules immediately and just convert the monsters' abilities to conform to the new rules. As far as required, no. You are free to keep playing 2014 as long as you want, but if you want to play by the 2024 rules, you will either need to create a new character or bring your old character over and for anything that has changed you have to convert. If the new rules haven't changed anything, then you need do nothing. For example, your Paladin that used to Smite monsters out of existence because he multiclassed, can now only Smite as a bonus action. Which boils down to once per round.
To be honest what we're getting is more wgat I was expecting than being able to toggle new stuff on or off. DDB tends to go for the most brute force solution to any problem so a long list of classes that offers both old and new at the same time is very in character
Yeah, this is what I expected, just lists of stuff. While you cant use old versions magic items and spells, like that 2014 backgrounds are still usable and can be used to costumize the 2024 versions.