After having more info and not just bits and pieces. I can see that it actually has quite a bit more to it so I retract my earlier opinion of feeling we were getting fleeced by greed.
While a number of changes are common sense homebrew modifications, a significant number are not. The mastery system, bastions, reworks and rebalances of classes like Sorcerer and Monk, new spells, new subclasses, etc. All of these required development, playtesting, data analysis, art, write-ups, and everything else that goes into game design. All of that costs money. And when a company spends money on a product, they have an expectation they will make it back.
Personally, I see enough new content to justify the purchase - and happily preordered my new books. If you do not see enough new content, then do not buy it - but you should also spread misinformation about the changes or act entitled to something you decidedly are not entitled to, both of which you are doing on this thread.
Then don't buy it? It is up to every person to decide if it is worth it to them to purchase the new core rulebooks. No one is forcing anyone to. If you want to stick with 2014e and homebrew some of the changes (or already have), great! For others that see value in the changes WotC have made for the 2024e, they can purchase the new books! Simple as that.
I for one think there is a lot of cool stuff in the 2024e that I would like to put in my games, enough that I will be purchasing the new core rulebooks. But if you don't want to, that is fine! I think there can be plenty of discussion about whether or not the new core rulebooks are worth it for your gaming group, but to say that "WotC has just added homebrew ideas we as players came up with" is extremely disingenuous. Some are things that have been homebrewed or house-ruled for a long time (I'm looking at you, bonus-action potions), but others have taken a lot of development, playtesting, and rewriting to significantly improve certain aspects of the player's experience.
No one is saying you have to love it or have to buy it. But just let other people decide if it is right for them and their group. You haven't even argued your case well. You didn't point out things that were bad or simply adoption of currently homebrew/house-rules, simply stated it as fact without any examples or anything to back up your claim.
Throwing in a bit of history, 2e D&D incorporated a LOT of homebrew ideas and things printed in Dragon magazine. We knew this and appreciated it. That plus wholesale new systems made the update easy to buy.
So they have basicly taken many good home brew ideas and put them into the new edition basicly us doing the work for them and now they want to charge us again to buy the "changes" we basicly created through home brew in the first place. It's not even a new edition it's basicly the phb and dmg etc edited to add homebrew into the book in print. We as a community shouldn't pay a damn cent for it.
I congratulate you for agreeing it's not a new edition 😛
But I'll do what I want with my money - thanks for the suggestion!
So they have basicly taken many good home brew ideas and put them into the new edition basicly us doing the work for them and now they want to charge us again to buy the "changes" we basicly created through home brew in the first place. It's not even a new edition it's basicly the phb and dmg etc edited to add homebrew into the book in print. We as a community shouldn't pay a damn cent for it.
It has already been addressed how while some changes are long-standing homebrew modification, many are not. To me, this is a company looking at how people usually want to play their game and modifying their game to meet those needs. This will bring those desired modifications to more people instead of just forcing people to scour the internet looking for it or use an inferior game without these modifications. If anything, I feel the desire to praise (and pay) WotC for listening to its fans and making these changes.
After having more info and not just bits and pieces. I can see that it actually has quite a bit more to it so I retract my earlier opinion of feeling we were getting fleeced by greed.
While a number of changes are common sense homebrew modifications, a significant number are not. The mastery system, bastions, reworks and rebalances of classes like Sorcerer and Monk, new spells, new subclasses, etc. All of these required development, playtesting, data analysis, art, write-ups, and everything else that goes into game design. All of that costs money. And when a company spends money on a product, they have an expectation they will make it back.
Personally, I see enough new content to justify the purchase - and happily preordered my new books. If you do not see enough new content, then do not buy it - but you should also spread misinformation about the changes or act entitled to something you decidedly are not entitled to, both of which you are doing on this thread.
Then don't buy it? It is up to every person to decide if it is worth it to them to purchase the new core rulebooks. No one is forcing anyone to. If you want to stick with 2014e and homebrew some of the changes (or already have), great! For others that see value in the changes WotC have made for the 2024e, they can purchase the new books! Simple as that.
I for one think there is a lot of cool stuff in the 2024e that I would like to put in my games, enough that I will be purchasing the new core rulebooks. But if you don't want to, that is fine! I think there can be plenty of discussion about whether or not the new core rulebooks are worth it for your gaming group, but to say that "WotC has just added homebrew ideas we as players came up with" is extremely disingenuous. Some are things that have been homebrewed or house-ruled for a long time (I'm looking at you, bonus-action potions), but others have taken a lot of development, playtesting, and rewriting to significantly improve certain aspects of the player's experience.
No one is saying you have to love it or have to buy it. But just let other people decide if it is right for them and their group. You haven't even argued your case well. You didn't point out things that were bad or simply adoption of currently homebrew/house-rules, simply stated it as fact without any examples or anything to back up your claim.
Throwing in a bit of history, 2e D&D incorporated a LOT of homebrew ideas and things printed in Dragon magazine. We knew this and appreciated it. That plus wholesale new systems made the update easy to buy.
That's exactly how I feel about D&D 2024
I congratulate you for agreeing it's not a new edition 😛
But I'll do what I want with my money - thanks for the suggestion!
It has already been addressed how while some changes are long-standing homebrew modification, many are not. To me, this is a company looking at how people usually want to play their game and modifying their game to meet those needs. This will bring those desired modifications to more people instead of just forcing people to scour the internet looking for it or use an inferior game without these modifications. If anything, I feel the desire to praise (and pay) WotC for listening to its fans and making these changes.
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