Abomination Vaults was adapted for D&D 5th edition over a year ago. And it's a given it'd be that version on DDB, Pathfinder itself is hosted on Demiplane and DDB only supports D&D 5th edition
Don't worry OP, i get your confusion. The long running bad blood between the Pathfinder and D&D communities ( and sometimes the higher ups at the associated companies ) would make you think that neither would agree to such a thing.
But it seems they have, which yeah, feels a little out of left field to me.
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Don't worry OP, i get your confusion. The long running bad blood between the Pathfinder and D&D communities ( and sometimes the higher ups at the associated companies ) would make you think that neither would agree to such a thing.
But it seems they have, which yeah, feels a little out of left field to me.
It’s like if a year from now Daggerheart stuff pops up here. Assuming they release something 5E compatible
Don't worry OP, i get your confusion. The long running bad blood between the Pathfinder and D&D communities ( and sometimes the higher ups at the associated companies ) would make you think that neither would agree to such a thing.
But it seems they have, which yeah, feels a little out of left field to me.
It’s like if a year from now Daggerheart stuff pops up here. Assuming they release something 5E compatible
like, i can kinda see that happening. Mend fences before the bad blood festers. That is the weird inverse, i think it could and might happen, and i am not sure it would be good if it did.
Daggerheart needs to be its own thing. If it gets reabsorbed into D&D in some form or another, i think the world would be lesser for it.
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He/Him. Loooooooooong time Player. The Dark days of the THAC0 system are behind us.
"Hope is a fire that burns in us all If only an ember, awaiting your call To rise up in triumph should we all unite The spark for change is yours to ignite." Kalandra - The State of the World
My opinion is if the sales are good, Paizo could dare to publish not only adventures but monster compediums and PC species.
Paizo physical sales are literally zeroed out now. They're fighting in bankruptcy court to get their entire back-catalog of physical merchandise back from Diamond Comic Distributors.
Honestly, this is probably more of an olive branch to say "Let's work together again" and Paizo is making the most of publishing on as many digital platforms as they can right now, in order to reduce the shock to the system of the Diamond Comic Distributors bankruptcy. They need to make alternate sales opportunities to see them through.
IMO the only good benefit out of the DCD bankruptcy is that Paizo and WotC can come to the table together. D&D needs a boost from 3rd party publishers, and Paizo is one of the biggest names in that space after WotC, for quality content.
I don't think there's as much (if any) "bad blood" as people assume. I think at this point a good percentage of WotC's designers are former Paizo designers, for example.
I don't think there's as much (if any) "bad blood" as people assume. I think at this point a good percentage of WotC's designers are former Paizo designers, for example.
Paizo is a direct competitor that was founded by people who designed content during 3rd edition so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some antagonistic work culture between these two companies.
I don't think there's as much (if any) "bad blood" as people assume. I think at this point a good percentage of WotC's designers are former Paizo designers, for example.
Paizo is a direct competitor that was founded by people who designed content during 3rd edition so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some antagonistic work culture between these two companies.
Except that there are quite a few former Paizo employees at WotC these days, and some vice versa.
I think "bad blood" is more a fandom thing. The companies generally don't care. They just want to make money. If a collaboration makes sense, they do it. If not, they don't. Usually, there wouldn't be this kind of cooperation because Paizo would prefer people bought Pathfinder to get their adventures than just mere sales that bringing it to 5e would. On the other hand, sometimes that extra recognisability and cash is worth it. It's just a balance of things on the whole and attitudes of those in charge.
Feuds aren't really a thing for big busineses, too much turnover and emotional distance from actions. In little ones, you have to suck it up or go out of business fast as you hate everyone. As I said, bad blood is for the fandoms.
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I don't think there's as much (if any) "bad blood" as people assume. I think at this point a good percentage of WotC's designers are former Paizo designers, for example.
Paizo is a direct competitor that was founded by people who designed content during 3rd edition so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some antagonistic work culture between these two companies.
Except that there are quite a few former Paizo employees at WotC these days, and some vice versa.
Wes Schneider, one of the two current design leads, was the editor-in-chief at Paizo before he joined Wizards of the Coast. James Wyatt, the other lead, worked freelance for Dragon Magazine back when Paizo was publishing D&D content for TSR. I am pretty sure in some video interviews I saw with Crawford, there were Pathfinder (and other non-D&D RPGs) books mixed in on his home bookshelf. I know multiple game designers for D&D and other companies have talked about just generally loving TTRPGs, and not really seeing them as rivals, but just other systems to play.
At its core, that kind of makes sense. For starters, this is an industry based on collaborative roleplaying, even within parties that sometimes have internal rivalries. Being able to put aside differences and still be friends is a core component of gameplay.
Even beyond that, the industries where you see lots of animosity between companies are ones where there is extreme competition for limited resources - that is not really the case here given that TTRPGs have been dominated by D&D's unrivalled hegemony for years. For D&D, there really is no meaningful competition to get upset about (even at its lowest points in 4e, D&D still overwhelmingly eclipsed Pathfinder--Pathfinder executives have acknowledged even at D&D's worst, it was not even close). For other companies, D&D is the anchorpoint that drives people into the hobby and helps get them business. That is not the kind of relationship that really drives animosity among developers.
That's something I never expected
edit: I know it's a 5e conversion. it's just the fact that it's pathfinder...like, Paizo...ya know...
It appears to be a 5e conversion of a Pathfinder adventure, not Pathfinder content (but Paizo publishing something for 5e is also unexpected).
Abomination Vaults was adapted for D&D 5th edition over a year ago. And it's a given it'd be that version on DDB, Pathfinder itself is hosted on Demiplane and DDB only supports D&D 5th edition
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Don't worry OP, i get your confusion. The long running bad blood between the Pathfinder and D&D communities ( and sometimes the higher ups at the associated companies ) would make you think that neither would agree to such a thing.
But it seems they have, which yeah, feels a little out of left field to me.
He/Him. Loooooooooong time Player.
The Dark days of the THAC0 system are behind us.
"Hope is a fire that burns in us all If only an ember, awaiting your call
To rise up in triumph should we all unite
The spark for change is yours to ignite."
Kalandra - The State of the World
It’s like if a year from now Daggerheart stuff pops up here. Assuming they release something 5E compatible
like, i can kinda see that happening. Mend fences before the bad blood festers.
That is the weird inverse, i think it could and might happen, and i am not sure it would be good if it did.
Daggerheart needs to be its own thing. If it gets reabsorbed into D&D in some form or another, i think the world would be lesser for it.
He/Him. Loooooooooong time Player.
The Dark days of the THAC0 system are behind us.
"Hope is a fire that burns in us all If only an ember, awaiting your call
To rise up in triumph should we all unite
The spark for change is yours to ignite."
Kalandra - The State of the World
My opinion is if the sales are good, Paizo could dare to publish not only adventures but monster compediums and PC species.
Paizo physical sales are literally zeroed out now. They're fighting in bankruptcy court to get their entire back-catalog of physical merchandise back from Diamond Comic Distributors.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo71kxl
Honestly, this is probably more of an olive branch to say "Let's work together again" and Paizo is making the most of publishing on as many digital platforms as they can right now, in order to reduce the shock to the system of the Diamond Comic Distributors bankruptcy. They need to make alternate sales opportunities to see them through.
IMO the only good benefit out of the DCD bankruptcy is that Paizo and WotC can come to the table together. D&D needs a boost from 3rd party publishers, and Paizo is one of the biggest names in that space after WotC, for quality content.
I don't think there's as much (if any) "bad blood" as people assume. I think at this point a good percentage of WotC's designers are former Paizo designers, for example.
Paizo is a direct competitor that was founded by people who designed content during 3rd edition so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some antagonistic work culture between these two companies.
Except that there are quite a few former Paizo employees at WotC these days, and some vice versa.
I think "bad blood" is more a fandom thing. The companies generally don't care. They just want to make money. If a collaboration makes sense, they do it. If not, they don't. Usually, there wouldn't be this kind of cooperation because Paizo would prefer people bought Pathfinder to get their adventures than just mere sales that bringing it to 5e would. On the other hand, sometimes that extra recognisability and cash is worth it. It's just a balance of things on the whole and attitudes of those in charge.
Feuds aren't really a thing for big busineses, too much turnover and emotional distance from actions. In little ones, you have to suck it up or go out of business fast as you hate everyone. As I said, bad blood is for the fandoms.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Wes Schneider, one of the two current design leads, was the editor-in-chief at Paizo before he joined Wizards of the Coast. James Wyatt, the other lead, worked freelance for Dragon Magazine back when Paizo was publishing D&D content for TSR. I am pretty sure in some video interviews I saw with Crawford, there were Pathfinder (and other non-D&D RPGs) books mixed in on his home bookshelf. I know multiple game designers for D&D and other companies have talked about just generally loving TTRPGs, and not really seeing them as rivals, but just other systems to play.
At its core, that kind of makes sense. For starters, this is an industry based on collaborative roleplaying, even within parties that sometimes have internal rivalries. Being able to put aside differences and still be friends is a core component of gameplay.
Even beyond that, the industries where you see lots of animosity between companies are ones where there is extreme competition for limited resources - that is not really the case here given that TTRPGs have been dominated by D&D's unrivalled hegemony for years. For D&D, there really is no meaningful competition to get upset about (even at its lowest points in 4e, D&D still overwhelmingly eclipsed Pathfinder--Pathfinder executives have acknowledged even at D&D's worst, it was not even close). For other companies, D&D is the anchorpoint that drives people into the hobby and helps get them business. That is not the kind of relationship that really drives animosity among developers.