I've been playing in a game with some friends, but it's turned out to be pretty frustrating for me, and I'm not really sure what to do.
For some background: I have played DnD for a couple years and our DM is a friend of mine who is in my home game and I have played with for a while. The other members of the group are friends from school, with pretty varied background experience. Two of the players (in the current group) were new, and had not played more than a few sessions before this campaign. The other two players besides myself both have a decent bit of experience, one of whom plays in several TTRPG games a week.
The original group had 2 more players: One I really liked, but they have too much on their schedule and so they have dropped out of sessions. The other was a Fairy Rogue who basically got kicked out by session 2, which was my first indication that this player group might be a bit... toxic.
That player hadn't been paying a ton of attention when it wasn't their turn, and the other players thought that them playing a Fairy was OP, and had verbally confronted the player about it in the session. The player disagreed, and the DM had approved everyone's characters prior to the session. Before the second session, the other players conspired to make a new group and kick the Fairy Rogue player out of the session. A second Discord groupchat was created, and a story was made up about schedule conflicts to get the Fairy Rogue player to think the campaign had stopped.
Since then nothing as major as that has happened, but I have still seen a lot of issues. One day the DM and one of the newer players (Dragonborn Fighter) were separated and so we played a game over Discord instead of in person, and when the Fighter got a bunch of good rolls the player who is in several other TTRPG games got salty and repeatedly ranted about how they thought they were cheating in VC (the Fighter couldn't use voice chat). I play a Warlock and the other experienced player (a bard) has regularly demanded me to play my character how they want me to, or that I can't use spells in a certain way (If I'm asking the DM if I can do something for flavor). The Ranger (one of the newer players) will often make passive aggressive comments about how someone else is playing, or whether their character should/shouldn't be able to do something.
These kinds of issues have happened pretty regularly, and it's been frustrating. I'm not sure what to do about it.
Try talking to the group about these dynamics. Stick with "I" messages: "I want to decide for myself how to play my character; please don't offer suggestions for how I should do so." and/or "I want to have fun when we play, and it's not fun for me when others tell me what I should be doing."
If the other players continue to make comments, ignore the comments, or calmly reply "I'll decide for myself, thanks" or "This is between me and the DM, thanks for staying out of it."
There's no guarantee than the rest of the group will change their ways, but it's worth giving this a try (and trying to stay as calm as possible when they escalate). If that doesn't improve things, I'd encourage you to leave the group, and tell them why you are leaving. Maybe the Fairy Rogue player and you could find a new group? (After you apologize for not objecting when the group cast her out.)
In terms of the dice rolling, there are dice bots for Discord. If several players were worried about the authenticity of rolls, the group could opt to use it when not able to play face to face. Although, since DnD is a cooperative game, I'm confused why a player would be upset that another was rolling well. That's usually a cause for celebration at my table. This may be an indication that their preferred play style is not a good fit for yours (or for mine).
Although, since DnD is a cooperative game, I'm confused why a player would be upset that another was rolling well. That's usually a cause for celebration at my table. This may be an indication that their preferred play style is not a good fit for yours (or for mine).
Most people don't like a cheat, even on the same team. I'm not saying this guy is, and it's hard to tell if someone is if you're allowing unconfirmable die rolls. But I as a player have talked to DMs about other players I was sure were cheating on die rolls. I think most do it because they want to be the heroic one, the cool one, etc etc. Or they just want to be successful. But either way, the point of the game is broken if you're just going to decide as a player when you succeed or fail, right? My experience is impacted if another player is cheating.
Not that you don't get that, I just wanted to point out that it's not the successful die rolling that gets objections. It's the player who never misses, or never misses when it matters.
That said, if this player hasn't been doing anything suspicious before, it's a d**k move to start accusing them after one night of good rolls. This whole group seems to not really enjoy working together or getting along with each other.
I'd make my case openly--"Guys, I'm not enjoying the bickering and nagging that I am seeing, is there a reason why we can't [let people play their characters]/[assume people aren't cheating]/etc?" But just given what OP has said, after I said that, I'd expect to be quickly excluded myself. "Oh, uh...the campaign has to stop because we're all...busy...now..."
Oh well. Life is too short to spend your time playing a game (supposed to be fun) with people who are making it unfun.
The other day I logged in here and seen a few minutes of the live video D&D game. The guy told the DM he was going to hit the Goddess. he needed a 20 to hit. he rolled a dice on the table no one seen it. He said he rolled a 20. I didn't believe him by his facial expiration by the look of the DM he didn't believe him.
anyways if the bad people lied to get rid of a player then you know they all including the DM can never be trusted the whole group is toxic. The game is built on trust. You trust the DM is telling you the truth but now you know you can't trust him or her.
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And here I thought I was on my best behavior. BUT NO I got scolded and threatened with corner time. I guess we are not allowed to express our feelings or opinions on anything here. All hugs and kisses every body's special every one gets a ribbon that says 'Your a winner" Not here more then a week and I got naughty points twice. How many points do I get?
The other day I logged in here and seen a few minutes of the live video D&D game. The guy told the DM he was going to hit the Goddess. he needed a 20 to hit. he rolled a dice on the table no one seen it. He said he rolled a 20. I didn't believe him by his facial expiration by the look of the DM he didn't believe him.
anyways if the bad people lied to get rid of a player then you know they all including the DM can never be trusted the whole group is toxic. The game is built on trust. You trust the DM is telling you the truth but now you know you can't trust him or her.
I'm so happy when I roll a 20, I go out of my way to point it out to people :D
Try talking to the group about these dynamics. Stick with "I" messages: "I want to decide for myself how to play my character; please don't offer suggestions for how I should do so." and/or "I want to have fun when we play, and it's not fun for me when others tell me what I should be doing."
If the other players continue to make comments, ignore the comments, or calmly reply "I'll decide for myself, thanks" or "This is between me and the DM, thanks for staying out of it."
There's no guarantee than the rest of the group will change their ways, but it's worth giving this a try (and trying to stay as calm as possible when they escalate). If that doesn't improve things, I'd encourage you to leave the group, and tell them why you are leaving. Maybe the Fairy Rogue player and you could find a new group? (After you apologize for not objecting when the group cast her out.)
In terms of the dice rolling, there are dice bots for Discord. If several players were worried about the authenticity of rolls, the group could opt to use it when not able to play face to face. Although, since DnD is a cooperative game, I'm confused why a player would be upset that another was rolling well. That's usually a cause for celebration at my table. This may be an indication that their preferred play style is not a good fit for yours (or for mine).
We had a dice bot, but the player was right next to the DM so they just rolled their dice instead. We couldn't see them doing it.
I dont know why, that experienced player is... weird. I genuinely don't understand their logic behind a lot of the things they say at the table to other players.
Try talking to the group about these dynamics. Stick with "I" messages: "I want to decide for myself how to play my character; please don't offer suggestions for how I should do so." and/or "I want to have fun when we play, and it's not fun for me when others tell me what I should be doing."
If the other players continue to make comments, ignore the comments, or calmly reply "I'll decide for myself, thanks" or "This is between me and the DM, thanks for staying out of it."
There's no guarantee than the rest of the group will change their ways, but it's worth giving this a try (and trying to stay as calm as possible when they escalate). If that doesn't improve things, I'd encourage you to leave the group, and tell them why you are leaving. Maybe the Fairy Rogue player and you could find a new group? (After you apologize for not objecting when the group cast her out.)
In terms of the dice rolling, there are dice bots for Discord. If several players were worried about the authenticity of rolls, the group could opt to use it when not able to play face to face. Although, since DnD is a cooperative game, I'm confused why a player would be upset that another was rolling well. That's usually a cause for celebration at my table. This may be an indication that their preferred play style is not a good fit for yours (or for mine).
We had a dice bot, but the player was right next to the DM so they just rolled their dice instead. We couldn't see them doing it.
I dont know why, that experienced player is... weird. I genuinely don't understand their logic behind a lot of the things they say at the table to other players.
So the other player was therefore accusing the player and the DM of cheating? Wow.
Try talking to the group about these dynamics. Stick with "I" messages: "I want to decide for myself how to play my character; please don't offer suggestions for how I should do so." and/or "I want to have fun when we play, and it's not fun for me when others tell me what I should be doing."
If the other players continue to make comments, ignore the comments, or calmly reply "I'll decide for myself, thanks" or "This is between me and the DM, thanks for staying out of it."
There's no guarantee than the rest of the group will change their ways, but it's worth giving this a try (and trying to stay as calm as possible when they escalate). If that doesn't improve things, I'd encourage you to leave the group, and tell them why you are leaving. Maybe the Fairy Rogue player and you could find a new group? (After you apologize for not objecting when the group cast her out.)
In terms of the dice rolling, there are dice bots for Discord. If several players were worried about the authenticity of rolls, the group could opt to use it when not able to play face to face. Although, since DnD is a cooperative game, I'm confused why a player would be upset that another was rolling well. That's usually a cause for celebration at my table. This may be an indication that their preferred play style is not a good fit for yours (or for mine).
We had a dice bot, but the player was right next to the DM so they just rolled their dice instead. We couldn't see them doing it.
I dont know why, that experienced player is... weird. I genuinely don't understand their logic behind a lot of the things they say at the table to other players.
So the other player was therefore accusing the player and the DM of cheating? Wow.
Indirectly, yeah. I really don't know man, this guy behaves very weirdly for someone who has as much experience in TTRPGs as he has.
I had to leave early, and I was told we were in a room with a chest. Go to the session, and had asked about using the hand from Chill Touch to push up on the lid of the chest to open it (DM wasn't there yet). Bard said 'no, because Chill Touch is for attack rolls, not moving things.' I had said that was just an idea I had for opening a chest, and I was going to ask the DM if they would allow it.
Come time for the session, I told the DM what I wanted to do, and the other players (who I had told my plan before the DM arrived) demanded I not attempt to open the chest with Chill Touch because 'that's metagaming! You don't know if it's a Mimic!'
Apparently it was.
Later in the session, I said I wanted to go into one of the corners of the room, lie down, and then use my Eldritch Invocation to turn invisible while cloaked in shadow so I could take a short rest. The experienced player asked to use Faerie Fire on me so I couldn't. No complaints. The group has never seen me use or mention this Eldritch Invocation before, in or out of character, and the other characters wouldn't know what I was doing.
No accusations of meta gaming.
Yeah, I think I'm done with this group. Talked with the DM and he agreed that the group has been fairly toxic, and he isn't sure how he can change the behavior of some of the people at the table.
Later in the session, I said I wanted to go into one of the corners of the room, lie down, and then use my Eldritch Invocation to turn invisible while cloaked in shadow so I could take a short rest. The experienced player asked to use Faerie Fire on me so I couldn't.
Why...would he do that? Why would one player/character try to prevent another one from taking a rest?
Yeah, I think I'm done with this group. Talked with the DM and he agreed that the group has been fairly toxic, and he isn't sure how he can change the behavior of some of the people at the table.
Kick them out of the group, that's how. If you and the DM aren't having fun, find other players who are and tell the others to go pound sand.
Later in the session, I said I wanted to go into one of the corners of the room, lie down, and then use my Eldritch Invocation to turn invisible while cloaked in shadow so I could take a short rest. The experienced player asked to use Faerie Fire on me so I couldn't.
Why...would he do that? Why would one player/character try to prevent another one from taking a rest?
Wait...is he Chaotic Neutral?
Man... I can think of hundreds of scenarios where a character (not player, specifically) would be motivated to prevent another character from doing something, but this is not one of them.
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I've been playing in a game with some friends, but it's turned out to be pretty frustrating for me, and I'm not really sure what to do.
For some background: I have played DnD for a couple years and our DM is a friend of mine who is in my home game and I have played with for a while. The other members of the group are friends from school, with pretty varied background experience. Two of the players (in the current group) were new, and had not played more than a few sessions before this campaign. The other two players besides myself both have a decent bit of experience, one of whom plays in several TTRPG games a week.
The original group had 2 more players: One I really liked, but they have too much on their schedule and so they have dropped out of sessions. The other was a Fairy Rogue who basically got kicked out by session 2, which was my first indication that this player group might be a bit... toxic.
That player hadn't been paying a ton of attention when it wasn't their turn, and the other players thought that them playing a Fairy was OP, and had verbally confronted the player about it in the session. The player disagreed, and the DM had approved everyone's characters prior to the session. Before the second session, the other players conspired to make a new group and kick the Fairy Rogue player out of the session. A second Discord groupchat was created, and a story was made up about schedule conflicts to get the Fairy Rogue player to think the campaign had stopped.
Since then nothing as major as that has happened, but I have still seen a lot of issues. One day the DM and one of the newer players (Dragonborn Fighter) were separated and so we played a game over Discord instead of in person, and when the Fighter got a bunch of good rolls the player who is in several other TTRPG games got salty and repeatedly ranted about how they thought they were cheating in VC (the Fighter couldn't use voice chat). I play a Warlock and the other experienced player (a bard) has regularly demanded me to play my character how they want me to, or that I can't use spells in a certain way (If I'm asking the DM if I can do something for flavor). The Ranger (one of the newer players) will often make passive aggressive comments about how someone else is playing, or whether their character should/shouldn't be able to do something.
These kinds of issues have happened pretty regularly, and it's been frustrating. I'm not sure what to do about it.
Try talking to the group about these dynamics. Stick with "I" messages: "I want to decide for myself how to play my character; please don't offer suggestions for how I should do so." and/or "I want to have fun when we play, and it's not fun for me when others tell me what I should be doing."
If the other players continue to make comments, ignore the comments, or calmly reply "I'll decide for myself, thanks" or "This is between me and the DM, thanks for staying out of it."
There's no guarantee than the rest of the group will change their ways, but it's worth giving this a try (and trying to stay as calm as possible when they escalate). If that doesn't improve things, I'd encourage you to leave the group, and tell them why you are leaving. Maybe the Fairy Rogue player and you could find a new group? (After you apologize for not objecting when the group cast her out.)
In terms of the dice rolling, there are dice bots for Discord. If several players were worried about the authenticity of rolls, the group could opt to use it when not able to play face to face. Although, since DnD is a cooperative game, I'm confused why a player would be upset that another was rolling well. That's usually a cause for celebration at my table. This may be an indication that their preferred play style is not a good fit for yours (or for mine).
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Most people don't like a cheat, even on the same team. I'm not saying this guy is, and it's hard to tell if someone is if you're allowing unconfirmable die rolls. But I as a player have talked to DMs about other players I was sure were cheating on die rolls. I think most do it because they want to be the heroic one, the cool one, etc etc. Or they just want to be successful. But either way, the point of the game is broken if you're just going to decide as a player when you succeed or fail, right? My experience is impacted if another player is cheating.
Not that you don't get that, I just wanted to point out that it's not the successful die rolling that gets objections. It's the player who never misses, or never misses when it matters.
That said, if this player hasn't been doing anything suspicious before, it's a d**k move to start accusing them after one night of good rolls. This whole group seems to not really enjoy working together or getting along with each other.
I'd make my case openly--"Guys, I'm not enjoying the bickering and nagging that I am seeing, is there a reason why we can't [let people play their characters]/[assume people aren't cheating]/etc?" But just given what OP has said, after I said that, I'd expect to be quickly excluded myself. "Oh, uh...the campaign has to stop because we're all...busy...now..."
Oh well. Life is too short to spend your time playing a game (supposed to be fun) with people who are making it unfun.
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The other day I logged in here and seen a few minutes of the live video D&D game. The guy told the DM he was going to hit the Goddess. he needed a 20 to hit. he rolled a dice on the table no one seen it. He said he rolled a 20. I didn't believe him by his facial expiration by the look of the DM he didn't believe him.
anyways if the bad people lied to get rid of a player then you know they all including the DM can never be trusted the whole group is toxic. The game is built on trust. You trust the DM is telling you the truth but now you know you can't trust him or her.
And here I thought I was on my best behavior. BUT NO I got scolded and threatened with corner time. I guess we are not allowed to express our feelings or opinions on anything here. All hugs and kisses every body's special every one gets a ribbon that says 'Your a winner" Not here more then a week and I got naughty points twice. How many points do I get?
I'm so happy when I roll a 20, I go out of my way to point it out to people :D
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We had a dice bot, but the player was right next to the DM so they just rolled their dice instead. We couldn't see them doing it.
I dont know why, that experienced player is... weird. I genuinely don't understand their logic behind a lot of the things they say at the table to other players.
So the other player was therefore accusing the player and the DM of cheating? Wow.
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Indirectly, yeah. I really don't know man, this guy behaves very weirdly for someone who has as much experience in TTRPGs as he has.
So....what happened to the Faerie?
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I had to leave early, and I was told we were in a room with a chest. Go to the session, and had asked about using the hand from Chill Touch to push up on the lid of the chest to open it (DM wasn't there yet). Bard said 'no, because Chill Touch is for attack rolls, not moving things.' I had said that was just an idea I had for opening a chest, and I was going to ask the DM if they would allow it.
Come time for the session, I told the DM what I wanted to do, and the other players (who I had told my plan before the DM arrived) demanded I not attempt to open the chest with Chill Touch because 'that's metagaming! You don't know if it's a Mimic!'
Apparently it was.
Later in the session, I said I wanted to go into one of the corners of the room, lie down, and then use my Eldritch Invocation to turn invisible while cloaked in shadow so I could take a short rest. The experienced player asked to use Faerie Fire on me so I couldn't. No complaints. The group has never seen me use or mention this Eldritch Invocation before, in or out of character, and the other characters wouldn't know what I was doing.
No accusations of meta gaming.
Yeah, I think I'm done with this group. Talked with the DM and he agreed that the group has been fairly toxic, and he isn't sure how he can change the behavior of some of the people at the table.
Really frustrating.
Why...would he do that? Why would one player/character try to prevent another one from taking a rest?
Wait...is he Chaotic Neutral?
Kick them out of the group, that's how. If you and the DM aren't having fun, find other players who are and tell the others to go pound sand.
Looking for new subclasses, spells, magic items, feats, and races? Opinions welcome :)
Man... I can think of hundreds of scenarios where a character (not player, specifically) would be motivated to prevent another character from doing something, but this is not one of them.
Chaotic Neutral <> Chaotic Jerk
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.