In the event any more people are forwarded to this thread asking for a discount for having bought IRL books, here is a great explainer video from Cody of Taking20. It's long, but it explains the supply chain, the reason for the misconceptions about the connection between WotC and Curse/DDB, and why you won't get a discount.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
In the event any more people are forwarded to this thread asking for a discount for having bought IRL books, here is a great explainer video from Cody of Taking20. It's long, but it explains the supply chain, the reason for the misconceptions about the connection between WotC and Curse/DDB, and why you won't get a discount.
This video should be a sticky news in the homepage of DDB :P
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Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
Extremely relevant and informative video. Thanks for sharing.
Even though I learned a few more specifics of the situation I'm still not having the "oh, now that I'm less ignorant I am no longer a chump for paying for the same content twice" reaction that is expected. End user ignorance or false perceptions are not the problem. They are symptoms the larger problems in the product line.
One thing I am not sure (didn't read all these pages .. there are 35+ :D )
The interesting thing is you can buy what you want... if you only want ..(currently) some monster or class or race from any of the books available because it might be cool to add to the game.. then you can for a very little price. Something to supplement your books collection when needed. Later if you decide to add the rest you are only paying for the remainder.
Extremely relevant and informative video. Thanks for sharing.
Even though I learned a few more specifics of the situation I'm still not having the "oh, now that I'm less ignorant I am no longer a chump for paying for the same content twice" reaction that is expected. End user ignorance or false perceptions are not the problem. They are symptoms the larger problems in the product line.
There is nothing wrong with the product line.
I will say that it does show the greed that Roll20 had because they kept the prices at full MSRP even though it could get lowered. And i will agree that the branding could have been better and of all people, WOTC should have known better than to allow DDB to use the official logo unless there was a purchase plan for down the road.
It also shows why Paizo can give you the physical and digital as that comes up a lot here as well.
I don't think it's just that D&D logo branding that causes confusion. It's also the fact that the products have exactly the same title, font of the title, cover art, etc.
Why is it exactly that Paizo can give you the physical and digital? It's because they own more parts of their product line, right? Like Coca-cola does? When I say that d&d has "problems" with their product line I mean that it's a problem because it's preventing them from selling their products in a way that doesn't cause confusion.
Kreakdude, I understand that you don't agree with the model, but you cannot assume that everyone is confused with the model. For example, I am not. I am fine with how D&D Beyond operates and accept that it is different from Wizards of the Coast. You can state you find it confusing, but a blanket statement that it is confusing would not be correct, IMHO.
I'm not assuming everyone has confusion, but I am going off what the video claims and what seems to be obvious is that end users are confused. Sure, you may understand it but I think it's fair to say that it's complex and therefore easy to be confused.
Besides, confusion is only half of the story. It's like what one of the commenters said on the youtube page
While this is an interesting and informative video I still gotta say: Explaining how the sausage is made doesn’t keep it from tasting funny.
I'm not assuming everyone has confusion, but I am going off what the video claims and what seems to be obvious is that end users are confused. Sure, you may understand it but I think it's fair to say that it's complex and therefore easy to be confused.
Besides, confusion is only half of the story. It's like what one of the commenters said on the youtube page
While this is an interesting and informative video I still gotta say: Explaining how the sausage is made doesn’t keep it from tasting funny.
I have to kinda agree with Kreakdude on this one. When i first came here and was in the same boat of confusion till someone explained it.
To me, Paizo, in order to be competitive against the WotC giant, they decided to be a publisher and a distributor to help cut costs. WotC is knwon for no PDF's, so Pazio went with them and gave them out when you bought the physical because they could. Same as the video alluded to, WotC couldn't do this or they would piss off every distributor and sales place. WotC has never been a POS.
and while it may not sit well with how WotC does things, this is how they decided to operate and the numbers do not lie, they are immensely popular to the point that Pathfinder had to have a 2nd edition to get their name out there again.
As I keep saying, no one is forcing you to go digital, it is just an option that is available.
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I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
I'm not assuming everyone has confusion, but I am going off what the video claims and what seems to be obvious is that end users are confused. Sure, you may understand it but I think it's fair to say that it's complex and therefore easy to be confused.
Besides, confusion is only half of the story. It's like what one of the commenters said on the youtube page
While this is an interesting and informative video I still gotta say: Explaining how the sausage is made doesn’t keep it from tasting funny.
The bottom line is always: if you don't like the taste of something, don't eat it.
I know, I know, <<this is the typical statement one makes when they have nothing to counter someone's claim/they have been "beaten">>, well, no. I (and many others) have tried to reasonably discuss the topic, tried to come to understand from where the confusion and discomfort in others come from, tried to explain why, in our view, the system works as it should and why it is acceptable (for us at least), someone (Taking20 specifically) even went so far as to basically make an economics lecture video to explain why it is the way it is, and yet here we still are, with everything reduced to one witty comment that seems to perfectly incapsulate EVERYTHING someone not accepting the current model sees wrong in it.
I am honestly tired of this, and I am not even 100% sure why I am still commenting here, but at this point, as much as it can seem throwing in the towel or the like, I can only say: do you like it? do you think you need it? does its price equals the value you see in it? if the answer is "yes", go right ahead, the marketplace link is at the top of the page; if the answer is "no", you made your point (over 35 freaking pages), it's a "wall against wall" at this point, nothing else will come of this discussion, you are perfectly free to take your custom somewhere else that is not DDB for your D&D-related purchases.
In the end WotC will care very little from where the money comes from, as long as it keeps coming, let's not fool ourselves over this.
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Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
So that we can dispel some myths here, I'd like to point out that Paizo does NOTbundle the PDF with the PF rules book. You have to pay extra for it. $9.99 to be exact.
Let's compare:
D&D 5e physical PHB (MSRP $49.95) is currently $22.74 on Amazon US (savings of $27.21) D&D 5e digital compendium on DDB is $19.99 Total combined: $42.73
Pathfinder 1 physical core book (MSRP $49.99) is currently $42.53 on Amazon US (savings of $7.43) Pathfinder PDF from Paizo is $9.99 Total combined: $52.52
It literally costs you MORE to buy Pathfinder in physical + digital than D&D physical + DDB, so we should stop using Pathfinder as some glorious digital yardstick against which to measure the value of DDB.
Some will argue that the benefit is a PDF that you get to keep, and never goes away. Well, I hope you back up regularly at multiple off-site locations. Further, even though you can't use the DDB PHB Compendium with the builder (you can't do that with the Pathfinder PDF either) I would argue the DDB compendium is much more searchable/usable than the Pathfinder PDF. Since there is also an app for DDB, you can also get the compendium offline, like a PDF. And as far as not having the compendium forever compared to a PDF? Well, the TOS here doesn't allow for discussion on that.
Stop comparing to Pathfinder. It's a false comparison.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
This "take it or leave it" attitude is easy when you like what is presented and it's easy for you to take it as is. Imagine you love the D&D franchise (the world, the design, the art, the stories, the community, etc) but all this other stuff we've been talking about is getting between you and fully enjoying the thing you love. At least that's how it is for me. That's why it's not a simple "take it or leave it" situation. It's a "hey I love this product, will you please make the part where I give you my money for it not suck please? Thanks." Again, I'm rooting for DDB. I like lots of the digital tools that exist for 5e. Things being overpriced comparatively or not isn't even what this thread is about. It's about the part where we give the money (however much it is) being confusing and unappealing.
So that we can dispel some myths here, I'd like to point out that Paizo does NOTbundle the PDF with the PF rules book. You have to pay extra for it. $9.99 to be exact.
Let's compare:
D&D 5e physical PHB (MSRP $49.95) is currently $22.74 on Amazon US (savings of $27.21) D&D 5e digital compendium on DDB is $19.99 Total combined: $42.73
Pathfinder 1 physical core book (MSRP $49.99) is currently $42.53 on Amazon US (savings of $7.43) Pathfinder PDF from Paizo is $9.99 Total combined: $52.52
It literally costs you MORE to buy Pathfinder in physical + digital than D&D physical + DDB, so we should stop using Pathfinder as some glorious digital yardstick against which to measure the value of DDB.
Some will argue that the benefit is a PDF that you get to keep, and never goes away. Well, I hope you back up regularly at multiple off-site locations. Further, even though you can't use the DDB PHB Compendium with the builder (you can't do that with the Pathfinder PDF either) I would argue the DDB compendium is much more searchable/usable than the Pathfinder PDF. Since there is also an app for DDB, you can also get the compendium offline, like a PDF. And as far as not having the compendium forever compared to a PDF? Well, the TOS here doesn't allow for discussion on that.
Stop comparing to Pathfinder. It's a false comparison.
i wasn't aware they stopped doing this. i believe i got both when i got my PB from them. i assumed (ya, i know what happens when you assume) because in the video he even stated that you get it. I didn't realize it now cost extra. But i do agree that we should stop the comparison, it is two similar business models, not exact business models.
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I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
This "take it or leave it" attitude is easy when you like what is presented and it's easy for you to take it as is. Imagine you love the D&D franchise (the world, the design, the art, the stories, the community, etc) but all this other stuff we've been talking about is getting between you and fully enjoying the thing you love. At least that's how it is for me. That's why it's not a simple "take it or leave it" situation. It's a "hey I love this product, will you please make the part where I give you my money for it not suck please? Thanks." Again, I'm rooting for DDB. I like lots of the digital tools that exist for 5e. Things being overpriced comparatively or not isn't even what this thread is about. It's about the part where we give the money (however much it is) being confusing and unappealing.
But that is not what you were advocating before. you wanted free stuff because you already bought the physical, but whatever floats your boat to keep it going.
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I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
This "take it or leave it" attitude is easy when you like what is presented and it's easy for you to take it as is. Imagine you love the D&D franchise (the world, the design, the art, the stories, the community, etc) but all this other stuff we've been talking about is getting between you and fully enjoying the thing you love. At least that's how it is for me. That's why it's not a simple "take it or leave it" situation. It's a "hey I love this product, will you please make the part where I give you my money for it not suck please? Thanks." Again, I'm rooting for DDB. I like lots of the digital tools that exist for 5e. Things being overpriced comparatively or not isn't even what this thread is about. It's about the part where we give the money (however much it is) being confusing and unappealing.
But that is not what you were advocating before. you wanted free stuff because you already bought the physical, but whatever floats your boat to keep it going.
This "take it or leave it" attitude is easy when you like what is presented and it's easy for you to take it as is. Imagine you love the D&D franchise (the world, the design, the art, the stories, the community, etc) but all this other stuff we've been talking about is getting between you and fully enjoying the thing you love. At least that's how it is for me. That's why it's not a simple "take it or leave it" situation. It's a "hey I love this product, will you please make the part where I give you my money for it not suck please? Thanks." Again, I'm rooting for DDB. I like lots of the digital tools that exist for 5e. Things being overpriced comparatively or not isn't even what this thread is about. It's about the part where we give the money (however much it is) being confusing and unappealing.
But that is not what you were advocating before. you wanted free stuff because you already bought the physical, but whatever floats your boat to keep it going.
Don't even...
Can i odd then?
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I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
This "take it or leave it" attitude is easy when you like what is presented and it's easy for you to take it as is. Imagine you love the D&D franchise (the world, the design, the art, the stories, the community, etc) but all this other stuff we've been talking about is getting between you and fully enjoying the thing you love. At least that's how it is for me. That's why it's not a simple "take it or leave it" situation. It's a "hey I love this product, will you please make the part where I give you my money for it not suck please? Thanks." Again, I'm rooting for DDB. I like lots of the digital tools that exist for 5e. Things being overpriced comparatively or not isn't even what this thread is about. It's about the part where we give the money (however much it is) being confusing and unappealing.
How much you love D&D has no relevance to their business model. You bought a physical book. You chose that. They are not obligated to provide anything more than what they offered, and you accepted.
It is a take it or leave it situation, whether you like it or not. They offered you a very specific product in exchange for money, and you chose to buy it. DDB is a separate product, no matter what you may think, because this is the reality of the situation. So you either buy it, or you don't. There is no other option here.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
At this point you guys are just being mean bullies again. Either that or you're totally ignorant and cannot learn a thing, like talking to a mocking bird. Or maybe just trolling? You guys know very well I've been advocating for a content purchased registry this whole time, not asking for anything for free. That's why not don't even.
End user love of the product has everything to do with their business model. It's not about contractual obligation. It's about giving users a good buying experience. Sure it's a take it or leave it situation in the short run, but in the long run there's a hope and push for a better buying experience or not hope. I've chosen to hope and be vocal about it. I'm trying to change D&D for the better, you're trying to change me ...
At this point you guys are just being mean bullies again. Either that or you're totally ignorant and cannot learn a thing, like talking to a mocking bird. Or maybe just trolling? You guys know very well I've been advocating for a content purchased registry this whole time, not asking for anything for free. That's why not don't even.
End user love of the product has everything to do with their business model. It's not about contractual obligation. It's about giving users a good buying experience. Sure it's a take it or leave it situation in the short run, but in the long run there's a hope and push for a better buying experience or not hope. I've chosen to hope and be vocal about it. I'm trying to change D&D for the better, you're trying to change me ...
And over the course of 35 pages you gave off the impression, several times, of willingly ignoring our argumentation and reasoning, or twisting them in order to serve your view.
No one is bullying you or anyone into anything, we are satisfied with the current model, everyone can see its pros and cons and the people replying to you decided that for them (hence my use of "we"/"us") it is working fine as it is, because we accept the reasons behind it, because this is the deal Curse was able to make with WotC. You came here voicing your concerns and ideas, and that is perfectly fine, but please don't paint people replying to you from a position of tiredness of the topic (me) or sarcasm (Cee) as the evil guys who try to shut you down.
For all I care you can go on indefinitely voicing your concerns and ideas, I encourage you to, but I would also suggest you to try and widen a bit your understanding of those people who do not agree with your views and tried over and over to have a civil discussion with you on them. Seeing the same stuff repeated over and over when actual logical proof of why something is like it is is given already is tiring, but when that same proof is being reduced to a "uh, ok, I get it, still sucks, change it" without seemingly having understood the actual implications such a change would entail is frankly frustrating.
You go on being you, but don't expect everyone to just shrug and tell you you are right instead of voicing their opinion in defense of something that for them makes sense.
At this point you guys are just being mean bullies again. Either that or you're totally ignorant and cannot learn a thing, like talking to a mocking bird. Or maybe just trolling? You guys know very well I've been advocating for a content purchased registry this whole time, not asking for anything for free. That's why not don't even.
End user love of the product has everything to do with their business model. It's not about contractual obligation. It's about giving users a good buying experience. Sure it's a take it or leave it situation in the short run, but in the long run there's a hope and push for a better buying experience or not hope. I've chosen to hope and be vocal about it. I'm trying to change D&D for the better, you're trying to change me ...
If I just buy you some books on D&D Beyond will you stop posting?
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In the event any more people are forwarded to this thread asking for a discount for having bought IRL books, here is a great explainer video from Cody of Taking20. It's long, but it explains the supply chain, the reason for the misconceptions about the connection between WotC and Curse/DDB, and why you won't get a discount.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
This video should be a sticky news in the homepage of DDB :P
Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
Extremely relevant and informative video. Thanks for sharing.
Even though I learned a few more specifics of the situation I'm still not having the "oh, now that I'm less ignorant I am no longer a chump for paying for the same content twice" reaction that is expected. End user ignorance or false perceptions are not the problem. They are symptoms the larger problems in the product line.
One thing I am not sure (didn't read all these pages .. there are 35+ :D )
The interesting thing is you can buy what you want... if you only want ..(currently) some monster or class or race from any of the books available because it might be cool to add to the game.. then you can for a very little price. Something to supplement your books collection when needed. Later if you decide to add the rest you are only paying for the remainder.
There is nothing wrong with the product line.
I will say that it does show the greed that Roll20 had because they kept the prices at full MSRP even though it could get lowered.
And i will agree that the branding could have been better and of all people, WOTC should have known better than to allow DDB to use the official logo unless there was a purchase plan for down the road.
It also shows why Paizo can give you the physical and digital as that comes up a lot here as well.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
I don't think it's just that D&D logo branding that causes confusion. It's also the fact that the products have exactly the same title, font of the title, cover art, etc.
Why is it exactly that Paizo can give you the physical and digital? It's because they own more parts of their product line, right? Like Coca-cola does? When I say that d&d has "problems" with their product line I mean that it's a problem because it's preventing them from selling their products in a way that doesn't cause confusion.
Kreakdude, I understand that you don't agree with the model, but you cannot assume that everyone is confused with the model. For example, I am not. I am fine with how D&D Beyond operates and accept that it is different from Wizards of the Coast. You can state you find it confusing, but a blanket statement that it is confusing would not be correct, IMHO.
I'm not assuming everyone has confusion, but I am going off what the video claims and what seems to be obvious is that end users are confused. Sure, you may understand it but I think it's fair to say that it's complex and therefore easy to be confused.
Besides, confusion is only half of the story. It's like what one of the commenters said on the youtube page
I have to kinda agree with Kreakdude on this one. When i first came here and was in the same boat of confusion till someone explained it.
To me, Paizo, in order to be competitive against the WotC giant, they decided to be a publisher and a distributor to help cut costs. WotC is knwon for no PDF's, so Pazio went with them and gave them out when you bought the physical because they could.
Same as the video alluded to, WotC couldn't do this or they would piss off every distributor and sales place. WotC has never been a POS.
and while it may not sit well with how WotC does things, this is how they decided to operate and the numbers do not lie, they are immensely popular to the point that Pathfinder had to have a 2nd edition to get their name out there again.
As I keep saying, no one is forcing you to go digital, it is just an option that is available.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
The bottom line is always: if you don't like the taste of something, don't eat it.
I know, I know, <<this is the typical statement one makes when they have nothing to counter someone's claim/they have been "beaten">>, well, no.
I (and many others) have tried to reasonably discuss the topic, tried to come to understand from where the confusion and discomfort in others come from, tried to explain why, in our view, the system works as it should and why it is acceptable (for us at least), someone (Taking20 specifically) even went so far as to basically make an economics lecture video to explain why it is the way it is, and yet here we still are, with everything reduced to one witty comment that seems to perfectly incapsulate EVERYTHING someone not accepting the current model sees wrong in it.
I am honestly tired of this, and I am not even 100% sure why I am still commenting here, but at this point, as much as it can seem throwing in the towel or the like, I can only say: do you like it? do you think you need it? does its price equals the value you see in it? if the answer is "yes", go right ahead, the marketplace link is at the top of the page; if the answer is "no", you made your point (over 35 freaking pages), it's a "wall against wall" at this point, nothing else will come of this discussion, you are perfectly free to take your custom somewhere else that is not DDB for your D&D-related purchases.
In the end WotC will care very little from where the money comes from, as long as it keeps coming, let's not fool ourselves over this.
Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
So that we can dispel some myths here, I'd like to point out that Paizo does NOT bundle the PDF with the PF rules book. You have to pay extra for it. $9.99 to be exact.
Let's compare:
D&D 5e physical PHB (MSRP $49.95) is currently $22.74 on Amazon US (savings of $27.21)
D&D 5e digital compendium on DDB is $19.99
Total combined: $42.73
Pathfinder 1 physical core book (MSRP $49.99) is currently $42.53 on Amazon US (savings of $7.43)
Pathfinder PDF from Paizo is $9.99
Total combined: $52.52
It literally costs you MORE to buy Pathfinder in physical + digital than D&D physical + DDB, so we should stop using Pathfinder as some glorious digital yardstick against which to measure the value of DDB.
Some will argue that the benefit is a PDF that you get to keep, and never goes away. Well, I hope you back up regularly at multiple off-site locations. Further, even though you can't use the DDB PHB Compendium with the builder (you can't do that with the Pathfinder PDF either) I would argue the DDB compendium is much more searchable/usable than the Pathfinder PDF. Since there is also an app for DDB, you can also get the compendium offline, like a PDF. And as far as not having the compendium forever compared to a PDF? Well, the TOS here doesn't allow for discussion on that.
Stop comparing to Pathfinder. It's a false comparison.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
This "take it or leave it" attitude is easy when you like what is presented and it's easy for you to take it as is. Imagine you love the D&D franchise (the world, the design, the art, the stories, the community, etc) but all this other stuff we've been talking about is getting between you and fully enjoying the thing you love. At least that's how it is for me. That's why it's not a simple "take it or leave it" situation. It's a "hey I love this product, will you please make the part where I give you my money for it not suck please? Thanks." Again, I'm rooting for DDB. I like lots of the digital tools that exist for 5e. Things being overpriced comparatively or not isn't even what this thread is about. It's about the part where we give the money (however much it is) being confusing and unappealing.
i wasn't aware they stopped doing this. i believe i got both when i got my PB from them. i assumed (ya, i know what happens when you assume) because in the video he even stated that you get it. I didn't realize it now cost extra. But i do agree that we should stop the comparison, it is two similar business models, not exact business models.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
But that is not what you were advocating before. you wanted free stuff because you already bought the physical, but whatever floats your boat to keep it going.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
Don't even...
Can i odd then?
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
How much you love D&D has no relevance to their business model. You bought a physical book. You chose that. They are not obligated to provide anything more than what they offered, and you accepted.
It is a take it or leave it situation, whether you like it or not. They offered you a very specific product in exchange for money, and you chose to buy it. DDB is a separate product, no matter what you may think, because this is the reality of the situation. So you either buy it, or you don't. There is no other option here.
Why not?
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
At this point you guys are just being mean bullies again. Either that or you're totally ignorant and cannot learn a thing, like talking to a mocking bird. Or maybe just trolling? You guys know very well I've been advocating for a content purchased registry this whole time, not asking for anything for free. That's why not don't even.
End user love of the product has everything to do with their business model. It's not about contractual obligation. It's about giving users a good buying experience. Sure it's a take it or leave it situation in the short run, but in the long run there's a hope and push for a better buying experience or not hope. I've chosen to hope and be vocal about it. I'm trying to change D&D for the better, you're trying to change me ...
And over the course of 35 pages you gave off the impression, several times, of willingly ignoring our argumentation and reasoning, or twisting them in order to serve your view.
No one is bullying you or anyone into anything, we are satisfied with the current model, everyone can see its pros and cons and the people replying to you decided that for them (hence my use of "we"/"us") it is working fine as it is, because we accept the reasons behind it, because this is the deal Curse was able to make with WotC.
You came here voicing your concerns and ideas, and that is perfectly fine, but please don't paint people replying to you from a position of tiredness of the topic (me) or sarcasm (Cee) as the evil guys who try to shut you down.
For all I care you can go on indefinitely voicing your concerns and ideas, I encourage you to, but I would also suggest you to try and widen a bit your understanding of those people who do not agree with your views and tried over and over to have a civil discussion with you on them.
Seeing the same stuff repeated over and over when actual logical proof of why something is like it is is given already is tiring, but when that same proof is being reduced to a "uh, ok, I get it, still sucks, change it" without seemingly having understood the actual implications such a change would entail is frankly frustrating.
You go on being you, but don't expect everyone to just shrug and tell you you are right instead of voicing their opinion in defense of something that for them makes sense.
Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
If I just buy you some books on D&D Beyond will you stop posting?