I just think Psions and Monks are conceptually very similar and it makes sense they should be linked. I don't see why we need another spellcaster class in all but name.
Ki points derive from Psi points in 2nd edition Psionic Handbook. The reason to have different classes is to offer a diversity of play mechanics. The monk has a unique play mechanic in Ki points but it's woefully undeveloped, almost an afterthought of the system. Allowing Ki to manifest in new ways, ie psychic powers, can greatly expand the monk's interest.
Personally I would prefer if psionic abilities are distinct from spells in every way and not just a bunch of re-skinned spells.
I just think Psions and Monks are conceptually very similar and it makes sense they should be linked. I don't see why we need another spellcaster class in all but name.
Ki points derive from Psi points in 2nd edition Psionic Handbook. The reason to have different classes is to offer a diversity of play mechanics. The monk has a unique play mechanic in Ki points but it's woefully undeveloped, almost an afterthought of the system. Allowing Ki to manifest in new ways, ie psychic powers, can greatly expand the monk's interest.
I don’t agree with this. I don’t think it makes any sense for every Psion to have access to Martial Arts and Unarmored AC and Movement like a Monk.
Yeah, I agree with Sposta here. I don't like that they're making Psionics be spells, but I also don't want them to just make psionics monks. That's like saying, "Well, I don't like that they make it this one system, so lets take a completely different already existing system that fits less, and make it be like that."
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I'm completely in favor of the Psion being its own class. But I don't like how much versatility the mystic was given (it could fill the role of a druid, fighter, monk, paladin, rogue, or sorcerer, or at least any 2-3 of these depending on choices).
If psionic powers are to be a separate system from spellcasting, it needs to be much simpler than spellcasting. And if they aren't going to be susceptible to countermeasures against magic, they should not be as powerful as magic.
That was one of my main problems with the Mystic as well. It could be a paladin, wizard, cleric all in one. It was too versatile, it is the definition of "stepping into another class's territory."
This is why I think that psionics should be more limited than spellcasting.
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I just think Psions and Monks are conceptually very similar and it makes sense they should be linked. I don't see why we need another spellcaster class in all but name.
Ki points derive from Psi points in 2nd edition Psionic Handbook. The reason to have different classes is to offer a diversity of play mechanics. The monk has a unique play mechanic in Ki points but it's woefully undeveloped, almost an afterthought of the system. Allowing Ki to manifest in new ways, ie psychic powers, can greatly expand the monk's interest.
Personally I would prefer if psionic abilities are distinct from spells in every way and not just a bunch of re-skinned spells.
Um... not sure where you get that comparison. I don't know the history of DnD classes, so it's entirely possible that the early version of psi points gave WotC the framework for the Ki Point system. But to equate psionic abilities with the Monk.... I don't even know where to start with that, it's just so inherently wrong. Can you imagine Jean Grey running around, punching things or beating them with a staff, while also disintegrating another 6 guys at the same time?
I just think Psions and Monks are conceptually very similar and it makes sense they should be linked. I don't see why we need another spellcaster class in all but name.
Ki points derive from Psi points in 2nd edition Psionic Handbook. The reason to have different classes is to offer a diversity of play mechanics. The monk has a unique play mechanic in Ki points but it's woefully undeveloped, almost an afterthought of the system. Allowing Ki to manifest in new ways, ie psychic powers, can greatly expand the monk's interest.
The psion and monk were both psionic classes in 4e. Still distinct, though.
I just think Psions and Monks are conceptually very similar and it makes sense they should be linked. I don't see why we need another spellcaster class in all but name.
Ki points derive from Psi points in 2nd edition Psionic Handbook. The reason to have different classes is to offer a diversity of play mechanics. The monk has a unique play mechanic in Ki points but it's woefully undeveloped, almost an afterthought of the system. Allowing Ki to manifest in new ways, ie psychic powers, can greatly expand the monk's interest.
Personally I would prefer if psionic abilities are distinct from spells in every way and not just a bunch of re-skinned spells.
I think everyone here disagrees with you. The Psion should definitely not just be a Monk subclass.
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Psionics have been spells since 5e came out. That's how psionic monsters were created. Innate spellcasting (psionics) has been here since the beginning of the edition. Players aren't requesting to add a system for psionics. Players are requesting to change the existing system for psionics in order to add a class that doesn't line up with how the game already treats the ability. WotC using spells for classes is using the existing system and they are trying to change it enough to make it stand out.
I am not going to argue for or against adding psionics. I don't think the game needs a psionicist class and I also don't think a psionicist class would be detrimental. I'm ambivalent because neither option negatively affects my ability to enjoy the game. ;)
And tbh I could homebrew a psion that worked for my game if a player really wanted one. It's not a common enough request that I really worry about a published version on top of different players having different ideas of what that should be. The only issue is wanting to play one in AL.
I do like the sorcerer subclass from the recent UA, however. It generally gives a lot of psion vibe even if it doesn't have it's own class and is still mainly a spell caster. I will also say I don't think a monk subclass for a main psionicist works well -- there are too many monk abilities baked into the level progression table for that, imo.
For those who want a straight up class, I wish you luck. I might not care about the class, but I do understand how it feels to want your class when it's been omitted.
Psionics should NEVER be spells in any way, shape or form. Otherwise why have them in the 1st place. Psionics is meant to be different from magic entirely. That is one of the biggest mistakes the WotC have done since they took over the D&D franchise; trying to make psionics just another form of magic. It never was and should never be that.
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Psionics should NEVER be spells in any way, shape or form. Otherwise why have them in the 1st place. Psionics is meant to be different from magic entirely. That is one of the biggest mistakes the WotC have done since they took over the D&D franchise; trying to make psionics just another form of magic. It never was and should never be that.
So I'm still not sure I understand this objection. What is the difference between a spell effect and a psionic effect, in your opinion? Is it thematic? Is it mechanical? Is it components? Is it the Weave and antimagic fields?
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I think it should be a sub-class of monk and use Ki pool.
I don't think that they'll do a psionic monk as long as the Astral Self monk exists.
I don't think that a psion class will happen, because Wizards dislikes our opinion that they should make a psion, but I am hopeful.
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I just think Psions and Monks are conceptually very similar and it makes sense they should be linked. I don't see why we need another spellcaster class in all but name.
Ki points derive from Psi points in 2nd edition Psionic Handbook. The reason to have different classes is to offer a diversity of play mechanics. The monk has a unique play mechanic in Ki points but it's woefully undeveloped, almost an afterthought of the system. Allowing Ki to manifest in new ways, ie psychic powers, can greatly expand the monk's interest.
Personally I would prefer if psionic abilities are distinct from spells in every way and not just a bunch of re-skinned spells.
I agree with this 100%.
I don’t agree with this. I don’t think it makes any sense for every Psion to have access to Martial Arts and Unarmored AC and Movement like a Monk.
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Yeah, I agree with Sposta here. I don't like that they're making Psionics be spells, but I also don't want them to just make psionics monks. That's like saying, "Well, I don't like that they make it this one system, so lets take a completely different already existing system that fits less, and make it be like that."
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I'm completely in favor of the Psion being its own class. But I don't like how much versatility the mystic was given (it could fill the role of a druid, fighter, monk, paladin, rogue, or sorcerer, or at least any 2-3 of these depending on choices).
If psionic powers are to be a separate system from spellcasting, it needs to be much simpler than spellcasting. And if they aren't going to be susceptible to countermeasures against magic, they should not be as powerful as magic.
That was one of my main problems with the Mystic as well. It could be a paladin, wizard, cleric all in one. It was too versatile, it is the definition of "stepping into another class's territory."
This is why I think that psionics should be more limited than spellcasting.
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Um... not sure where you get that comparison. I don't know the history of DnD classes, so it's entirely possible that the early version of psi points gave WotC the framework for the Ki Point system. But to equate psionic abilities with the Monk.... I don't even know where to start with that, it's just so inherently wrong. Can you imagine Jean Grey running around, punching things or beating them with a staff, while also disintegrating another 6 guys at the same time?
The psion and monk were both psionic classes in 4e. Still distinct, though.
Monk was a class since 1e, psionicist was a class since 2e.
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I think everyone here disagrees with you. The Psion should definitely not just be a Monk subclass.
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I don’t mind a psionic monk at all, in fact I want one. But I also want a Psionicist.
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I also would very much like and expect psionic subclasses of other classes, the same way there are spellcasting subclasses of non-spellcasters.
Sure, why not. I just hope we get a psionicist Too.
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Yeah, Psionic Monk should exist, even though Astral Self Monk fills that role, but I do want a full non-spellcaster Psionic class.
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This is one homebrew Psion. I did not make it, but it looks pretty good.https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-LZSNMgmChWNGW979hrj
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That looks cool, and is designed around the same philosophy I would like the Psion to be created around, but it isn't quite there for me.
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Psionics have been spells since 5e came out. That's how psionic monsters were created. Innate spellcasting (psionics) has been here since the beginning of the edition. Players aren't requesting to add a system for psionics. Players are requesting to change the existing system for psionics in order to add a class that doesn't line up with how the game already treats the ability. WotC using spells for classes is using the existing system and they are trying to change it enough to make it stand out.
I am not going to argue for or against adding psionics. I don't think the game needs a psionicist class and I also don't think a psionicist class would be detrimental. I'm ambivalent because neither option negatively affects my ability to enjoy the game. ;)
And tbh I could homebrew a psion that worked for my game if a player really wanted one. It's not a common enough request that I really worry about a published version on top of different players having different ideas of what that should be. The only issue is wanting to play one in AL.
I do like the sorcerer subclass from the recent UA, however. It generally gives a lot of psion vibe even if it doesn't have it's own class and is still mainly a spell caster. I will also say I don't think a monk subclass for a main psionicist works well -- there are too many monk abilities baked into the level progression table for that, imo.
For those who want a straight up class, I wish you luck. I might not care about the class, but I do understand how it feels to want your class when it's been omitted.
Psionics should NEVER be spells in any way, shape or form. Otherwise why have them in the 1st place. Psionics is meant to be different from magic entirely. That is one of the biggest mistakes the WotC have done since they took over the D&D franchise; trying to make psionics just another form of magic. It never was and should never be that.
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So I'm still not sure I understand this objection. What is the difference between a spell effect and a psionic effect, in your opinion? Is it thematic? Is it mechanical? Is it components? Is it the Weave and antimagic fields?
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To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!