1st edition was actually REALLY bad for gender equality. They had min/max for stats bases on gender as well as race.
Generally speaking, the average human male is physically stronger than the average human female. That's biology. I know there are many women stronger than some men but putting it in numbers would mean a str 16 woman is stronger than a str 10 man. I stress on average.
I don't agree with putting in game rules though which is whythis table doesn't exist in 5e.
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"real life is a super high CR."
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
The other thing is that adventurers are by their nature exceptional individuals, so a female swordslinger should be the one-in-a-million woman who breaks that limit.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
The other thing is that adventurers are by their nature exceptional individuals, so a female swordslinger should be the one-in-a-million woman who breaks that limit.
The other thing is that adventurers are by their nature exceptional individuals, so a female swordslinger should be the one-in-a-million woman who breaks that limit.
Of course, there's the separate problem that the Str 20 female swordslinger should be the same size as the male; most people who decide they want to play a super strong female don't interpret that as "my character is 6'4" and 260 lb", though they probably should.
The other thing is that adventurers are by their nature exceptional individuals, so a female swordslinger should be the one-in-a-million woman who breaks that limit.
Of course, there's the separate problem that the Str 20 female swordslinger should be the same size as the male; most people who decide they want to play a super strong female don't interpret that as "my character is 6'4" and 260 lb", though they probably should.
True, but stats are as equally divorced from physical appearance in male characters, as well. And focusing too hard on that creates its own can of worms, like how a 50 lb halfling can hit a 700 lb ogre hard enough that the ogre is pushed back while the halfling stays where they are.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
The image of the sleeping woman was in 1e -- it's from the Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth, and she's a vampire (and a 13th level fighter and likely to beat the stuffing out of the PCs).
Thats interesting they took a 1e module image and used in 2nd edition PHB. Talk about saving money lol.
1st edition was actually REALLY bad for gender equality. They had min/max for stats bases on gender as well as race.
Ohhhhhh. Idk that. But my friend told me D&D Basic was different from 1st ed.
1e (1st edition) and AD&D (advanced) came out getting close to 50 years ago. It was full of all sorts of racism and sexism. Fortunately D&D has progressed a bit since then. 5e (5th edition) is pretty inclusive and they've managed to cut out a lot of that. Some questionable things exist in 5e but they've made a lot of steps to rectify that and even called themselves out and apologized when they've fallen short.
To clear up some apparent confusion, the basic rules for D&D 5e are still 5e. You just don't get all of it. It's kind of a try before you buy type thing.
1st edition was actually REALLY bad for gender equality. They had min/max for stats bases on gender as well as race.
Ohhhhhh. Idk that. But my friend told me D&D Basic was different from 1st ed.
1e (1st edition) and AD&D (advanced) came out getting close to 50 years ago. It was full of all sorts of racism and sexism. Fortunately D&D has progressed a bit since then. 5e (5th edition) is pretty inclusive and they've managed to cut out a lot of that. Some questionable things exist in 5e but they've made a lot of steps to rectify that and even called themselves out and apologized when they've fallen short.
To clear up some apparent confusion, the basic rules for D&D 5e are still 5e. You just don't get all of it. It's kind of a try before you buy type thing.
I remember when choosing a species other than human meant that your species was your character class. If you picked Elf for instance then you were effectively a multi-class Fighter/Mage and it took a lot more experience points to level up as an Elf than a Human Wizard or Fighter.
The most baffling thing for me is that in that old edition they added in M/F differences JUST for strength, there's no other differences in the table but they continued to print x/x continually?? XD
1st edition was actually REALLY bad for gender equality. They had min/max for stats bases on gender as well as race.
Ohhhhhh. Idk that. But my friend told me D&D Basic was different from 1st ed.
1e (1st edition) and AD&D (advanced) came out getting close to 50 years ago. It was full of all sorts of racism and sexism. Fortunately D&D has progressed a bit since then. 5e (5th edition) is pretty inclusive and they've managed to cut out a lot of that. Some questionable things exist in 5e but they've made a lot of steps to rectify that and even called themselves out and apologized when they've fallen short.
To clear up some apparent confusion, the basic rules for D&D 5e are still 5e. You just don't get all of it. It's kind of a try before you buy type thing.
Thank you.
Basic edition and 1st AD&D (which is now just D&D) we’re almost two different games. Basic was part of what is now known as BECMI (Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, Immortal), with each of those a boxed set that expanded the rules with higher levels, things like owning land, fighting with armies, and in the case of Immortals becoming gods. It had a lot of what would now be considered weird rules but was so much fun. I still love the world they made for it (Mystra) and if you or your friend is interested do a search for the Mystara gazetteers like the Principalities of Glantri or The Orcs of Thar.
The most baffling thing for me is that in that old edition they added in M/F differences JUST for strength, there's no other differences in the table but they continued to print x/x continually??
I remember that table.
I always thought, as a kid reading it, that the point of the table was to emphasize that males and females were equal to each other in all other ways but Strength.
I'm pretty sure we also just ignored that table just like we ignored a lot of other stuff in AD&D, such as encumbrance.
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1st edition was actually REALLY bad for gender equality. They had min/max for stats bases on gender as well as race.
Ohhhhhh. Idk that. But my friend told me D&D Basic was different from 1st ed.
1e (1st edition) and AD&D (advanced) came out getting close to 50 years ago. It was full of all sorts of racism and sexism. Fortunately D&D has progressed a bit since then. 5e (5th edition) is pretty inclusive and they've managed to cut out a lot of that. Some questionable things exist in 5e but they've made a lot of steps to rectify that and even called themselves out and apologized when they've fallen short.
To clear up some apparent confusion, the basic rules for D&D 5e are still 5e. You just don't get all of it. It's kind of a try before you buy type thing.
Thank you.
Basic edition and 1st AD&D (which is now just D&D) we’re almost two different games. Basic was part of what is now known as BECMI (Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, Immortal), with each of those a boxed set that expanded the rules with higher levels, things like owning land, fighting with armies, and in the case of Immortals becoming gods. It had a lot of what would now be considered weird rules but was so much fun. I still love the world they made for it (Mystra) and if you or your friend is interested do a search for the Mystara gazetteers like the Principalities of Glantri or The Orcs of Thar.
My friend owns those! She let me read them. The cover artwork is gorgeous. Lush and vibrant.
yeah, the first editions were pretty racist and sexist. I feel like 5e is better by saying: you want to be <enter thing here>? Sure. If there isn't something that fits perfectly for you, ask your DM if you can rename/reflavor the existing content.
yeah, the first editions were pretty racist and sexist. I feel like 5e is better by saying: you want to be <enter thing here>? Sure. If there isn't something that fits perfectly for you, ask your DM if you can rename/reflavor the existing content.
1st edition was actually REALLY bad for gender equality. They had min/max for stats bases on gender as well as race.
Ohhhhhh. Idk that. But my friend told me D&D Basic was different from 1st ed.
1e (1st edition) and AD&D (advanced) came out getting close to 50 years ago. It was full of all sorts of racism and sexism. Fortunately D&D has progressed a bit since then. 5e (5th edition) is pretty inclusive and they've managed to cut out a lot of that. Some questionable things exist in 5e but they've made a lot of steps to rectify that and even called themselves out and apologized when they've fallen short.
To clear up some apparent confusion, the basic rules for D&D 5e are still 5e. You just don't get all of it. It's kind of a try before you buy type thing.
Thank you.
Basic edition and 1st AD&D (which is now just D&D) we’re almost two different games. Basic was part of what is now known as BECMI (Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, Immortal), with each of those a boxed set that expanded the rules with higher levels, things like owning land, fighting with armies, and in the case of Immortals becoming gods. It had a lot of what would now be considered weird rules but was so much fun. I still love the world they made for it (Mystra) and if you or your friend is interested do a search for the Mystara gazetteers like the Principalities Of Glantri or The Orcs of Thar.
Mystra? Isn't that the name of the goddess of magic and controller of the weave?
Mystara AKA the Known World was the "default" campaign setting for Basic D&D in the 80s and 90s, though it wasn't as prominent a setting as Greyhawk, Dragonlance, or the Forgotten Realms, which were Advanced D&D settings.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
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Generally speaking, the average human male is physically stronger than the average human female. That's biology. I know there are many women stronger than some men but putting it in numbers would mean a str 16 woman is stronger than a str 10 man. I stress on average.
I don't agree with putting in game rules though which is whythis table doesn't exist in 5e.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
The other thing is that adventurers are by their nature exceptional individuals, so a female swordslinger should be the one-in-a-million woman who breaks that limit.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
It was a rule that we always just ignored, kind of like level limits set for all races other than human.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Ohhhhhh. Idk that. But my friend told me D&D Basic was different from 1st ed.
Totally agree
Of course, there's the separate problem that the Str 20 female swordslinger should be the same size as the male; most people who decide they want to play a super strong female don't interpret that as "my character is 6'4" and 260 lb", though they probably should.
It was really really different AD&D.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
True, but stats are as equally divorced from physical appearance in male characters, as well. And focusing too hard on that creates its own can of worms, like how a 50 lb halfling can hit a 700 lb ogre hard enough that the ogre is pushed back while the halfling stays where they are.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Thats interesting they took a 1e module image and used in 2nd edition PHB. Talk about saving money lol.
1e (1st edition) and AD&D (advanced) came out getting close to 50 years ago. It was full of all sorts of racism and sexism. Fortunately D&D has progressed a bit since then. 5e (5th edition) is pretty inclusive and they've managed to cut out a lot of that. Some questionable things exist in 5e but they've made a lot of steps to rectify that and even called themselves out and apologized when they've fallen short.
To clear up some apparent confusion, the basic rules for D&D 5e are still 5e. You just don't get all of it. It's kind of a try before you buy type thing.
Thank you.
I remember when choosing a species other than human meant that your species was your character class. If you picked Elf for instance then you were effectively a multi-class Fighter/Mage and it took a lot more experience points to level up as an Elf than a Human Wizard or Fighter.
The most baffling thing for me is that in that old edition they added in M/F differences JUST for strength, there's no other differences in the table but they continued to print x/x continually?? XD
Basic edition and 1st AD&D (which is now just D&D) we’re almost two different games. Basic was part of what is now known as BECMI (Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, Immortal), with each of those a boxed set that expanded the rules with higher levels, things like owning land, fighting with armies, and in the case of Immortals becoming gods. It had a lot of what would now be considered weird rules but was so much fun. I still love the world they made for it (Mystra) and if you or your friend is interested do a search for the Mystara gazetteers like the Principalities of Glantri or The Orcs of Thar.
I remember that table.
I always thought, as a kid reading it, that the point of the table was to emphasize that males and females were equal to each other in all other ways but Strength.
I'm pretty sure we also just ignored that table just like we ignored a lot of other stuff in AD&D, such as encumbrance.
WOTC lies. We know that WOTC lies. WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. We know that WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. And still they lie.
Because of the above (a paraphrase from Orwell) I no longer post to the forums -- PM me if you need help or anything.
My friend owns those! She let me read them. The cover artwork is gorgeous. Lush and vibrant.
yeah, the first editions were pretty racist and sexist. I feel like 5e is better by saying: you want to be <enter thing here>? Sure. If there isn't something that fits perfectly for you, ask your DM if you can rename/reflavor the existing content.
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I like that about 5e a lot.
Mystra? Isn't that the name of the goddess of magic and controller of the weave?
Mystara AKA the Known World was the "default" campaign setting for Basic D&D in the 80s and 90s, though it wasn't as prominent a setting as Greyhawk, Dragonlance, or the Forgotten Realms, which were Advanced D&D settings.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.