Will we be getting refunds for the spells you are taking away or offer us a credit for future spells based on how many we purchased? I would have homebrewed them originally instead of buying them had there been a warning that they may be taken away from us. Or offer us a credit for future spells based on how many we purchased? I don't think it's fair, being punished for supporting you. Someone else suggested a toggle between 2024 and 2014 content, that would also be acceptable. Don't steal from us please. I won't be able to give you anymore money if you do.
Adding my voice to the disappointment that I have to make homebrew spell copies of 2014 spells. This will disrupt my current campaign 26 sessions in and cause a huge unnecessary effort on my part. I will have to not only make homebrew versions of the spells my players currently use but all others that they might be able to switch to or level up to and select. That's just ridiculous. I'm not switching to 2024 so deep into a campaign. Sad sad sad and uncaring decision.
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So first, this is being handled terribly. Let people keep the content they payed for. Its not that hard. You already have the Legacy tag.
Second, will people who bought the 2014 content will be getting the 2024 version for free at least? I know most of the spells and Items will be covered in the basic rules/SRD but not all of them are.
That is... truly bonkers that you think there is even a chance for this? Should the designers and writers not get paid?
Will we be getting refunds for the spells you are taking away or offer us a credit for future spells based on how many we purchased? I would have homebrewed them originally instead of buying them had there been a warning that they may be taken away from us. Or offer us a credit for future spells based on how many we purchased? I don't think it's fair, being punished for supporting you. Someone else suggested a toggle between 2024 and 2014 content, that would also be acceptable. Don't steal from us please. I won't be able to give you anymore money if you do.
There is no alacarte system anymore so no more buying spells by themselves.
So first, this is being handled terribly. Let people keep the content they payed for. Its not that hard. You already have the Legacy tag.
Second, will people who bought the 2014 content will be getting the 2024 version for free at least? I know most of the spells and Items will be covered in the basic rules/SRD but not all of them are.
That is... truly bonkers that you think there is even a chance for this? Should the designers and writers not get paid?
They're forcing us to use the revised rules since tooltips and links will only link to 5e24 rules and statblocks and whatnot. If I wanted to use the 5e24 rules, I'd by the 5e24 books. Which I absolutely have no plan to do so. D&D Beyond is taking content away from us that we paid for.
It's well-recognized when you purchase "books" on d&d beyond, you don't own the content, just a license to it, but irrespective of how much you "own" the materials you're using, forcing your customers to use new materials by restricting access to old ones they have a license to = a short-sighted decision that is unfair to them. Why not use the 2014 source materials unless they own the 2024 equivalent, then show that? Because it doesn't encourage buying new materials?
I've purchased ~95%+ of the source materials available on here (read: spent thousands of dollars) and I can't think of a bigger "haha kick rocks but thanks for your money, we look forward to more of it" move than this. It's hard to stay motivated buying digital content, knowing this is how it may go. Does this song and dance repeat when d&d one is on its way out?
We are not ready to just stop all of our current play to abruptly change everything with a snap of a finger. Guess will just go back to paper and drop out of your BS.
I remember during the OGL days that some people had their accounts deleted. I respect that level of commitment. Anyone here planning on having accounts deleted?
I remember during the OGL days that some people had their accounts deleted. I respect that level of commitment. Anyone here planning on having accounts deleted?
Sadly I can't as I'm the DM and need to share my content to my players.
It's really sad to see people falling for/into a system that is both a cash-grab by WotC and Hasbro, disregarding the original purpose, intent, and investment of the platform. People who already had 5e books had to repurchase them here, and now the thing they paid for is being stripped down and gutted to make way for something that is clearly intended to be folded into a virtual tabletop/video game format.
What really blows me away is that WotC didn't even learn anything from what people loved about BG3 - Larian fixed so many of the issues with 5e (including Ranger, which continues to get screwed in 5.5). Obviously people are allowed to play what they want and have their opinions - it's just a shame when they align with a soulless corporate campaign to make even more money after laying off so many of their staff.
Pretty clearly a massive middle finger to your clientele. “Getting refunds for spells” is just shameless pandering and missing the point. We are your customer base. We don’t care about you as a company. We care about the product we’ve been playing since before you heavily commercialized it. There’s very clearly no reason to get rid of this content other than to have us buy more of it. It’s embarrassingly obvious.
I'm very disappointed that there hasn't been any response to all of this negative feedback. There should be something official from them in reply.
I did message LaTiaJacquise with my feedback and in her reply she mentioned she's collecting feedback. While I know it's a not her decision so her hands are tied, I'm hoping that also indicates we'll get some official responses (and hopefully reversals) at some point.
Hopefully this is a case of someone that was told, "No. This is a horrible idea. Why would you do this? Why won't you listen to us?" getting a bit of a comeuppance to create a reversal. With WotC having shown their hand, I'm not the most optimistic. But I can hope.
I just tried to go in and post homebrew copies of spells, races, and magic items. I keep getting a 404 error when i post anything. So no, we can't even do their work for them.
I did message LaTiaJacquise with my feedback and in her reply she mentioned she's collecting feedback. While I know it's a not her decision so her hands are tied, I'm hoping that also indicates we'll get some official responses (and hopefully reversals) at some point.
While I'm sure she's doing what she can, she collected and forwarded feedback about a la carte too and WotC never bothered responding, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. WotC clearly aren't interested in communicating with their customers.
3+ year subscriber here, DM of several games and someone with over 100+ fully-made characters on the site. I almost never post due to RL being incredibly busy, but this planned change has earned my ire.
I'll make it plain to DDB's staff (and Wizards/Hasbro folks over them listening in) - if you make this change happen, I'm out. I don't care how much of a pain in the ass it's going to be going back to pen and paper, or porting everything over to R20, but if it means I'm not giving you any more money, then it's worth it out of spite.
I need DDB to be a tool that I can rely on, make characters in, and then come back to them a year, two years later, pop open a character sheet, and have them ready to go. If you want to make the 5.5E (or whatever we're calling it) accessible, that's fine - if it's opt in. If you force it on people, and screw up the tool we're counting on to run our games, you're undermining your whole business premise.
I've said my peace, ball's in your court now.
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Will we be getting refunds for the spells you are taking away or offer us a credit for future spells based on how many we purchased? I would have homebrewed them originally instead of buying them had there been a warning that they may be taken away from us. Or offer us a credit for future spells based on how many we purchased? I don't think it's fair, being punished for supporting you. Someone else suggested a toggle between 2024 and 2014 content, that would also be acceptable. Don't steal from us please. I won't be able to give you anymore money if you do.
Adding my voice to the disappointment that I have to make homebrew spell copies of 2014 spells. This will disrupt my current campaign 26 sessions in and cause a huge unnecessary effort on my part. I will have to not only make homebrew versions of the spells my players currently use but all others that they might be able to switch to or level up to and select. That's just ridiculous. I'm not switching to 2024 so deep into a campaign. Sad sad sad and uncaring decision.
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That is... truly bonkers that you think there is even a chance for this? Should the designers and writers not get paid?
There is no alacarte system anymore so no more buying spells by themselves.
They're forcing us to use the revised rules since tooltips and links will only link to 5e24 rules and statblocks and whatnot. If I wanted to use the 5e24 rules, I'd by the 5e24 books. Which I absolutely have no plan to do so. D&D Beyond is taking content away from us that we paid for.
It's well-recognized when you purchase "books" on d&d beyond, you don't own the content, just a license to it, but irrespective of how much you "own" the materials you're using, forcing your customers to use new materials by restricting access to old ones they have a license to = a short-sighted decision that is unfair to them. Why not use the 2014 source materials unless they own the 2024 equivalent, then show that? Because it doesn't encourage buying new materials?
I've purchased ~95%+ of the source materials available on here (read: spent thousands of dollars) and I can't think of a bigger "haha kick rocks but thanks for your money, we look forward to more of it" move than this. It's hard to stay motivated buying digital content, knowing this is how it may go. Does this song and dance repeat when d&d one is on its way out?
We are not ready to just stop all of our current play to abruptly change everything with a snap of a finger. Guess will just go back to paper and drop out of your BS.
Canceled and if a solution that allows me to use the 2014 content without any 2024 revisions isn't implemented, I will be seeking a full refund.
Terrible move by D&D Beyond.. This is going to push a lot of people away.
I remember during the OGL days that some people had their accounts deleted. I respect that level of commitment. Anyone here planning on having accounts deleted?
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Sadly I can't as I'm the DM and need to share my content to my players.
Definitely understandable.
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I'm very disappointed that there hasn't been any response to all of this negative feedback. There should be something official from them in reply.
This is the problem with purchasing digital content, you don't really control it even though you paid for it.
It's really sad to see people falling for/into a system that is both a cash-grab by WotC and Hasbro, disregarding the original purpose, intent, and investment of the platform. People who already had 5e books had to repurchase them here, and now the thing they paid for is being stripped down and gutted to make way for something that is clearly intended to be folded into a virtual tabletop/video game format.
What really blows me away is that WotC didn't even learn anything from what people loved about BG3 - Larian fixed so many of the issues with 5e (including Ranger, which continues to get screwed in 5.5). Obviously people are allowed to play what they want and have their opinions - it's just a shame when they align with a soulless corporate campaign to make even more money after laying off so many of their staff.
Pretty clearly a massive middle finger to your clientele. “Getting refunds for spells” is just shameless pandering and missing the point. We are your customer base. We don’t care about you as a company. We care about the product we’ve been playing since before you heavily commercialized it. There’s very clearly no reason to get rid of this content other than to have us buy more of it. It’s embarrassingly obvious.
So there is nothing stopping current dndbeyond users from creating homebrew versions of all spells just putting (2014) and the spell name?
Doesn't that mean dndbeyond is just outsourcing the work of creating legacy copies of spells onto its users?
I did message LaTiaJacquise with my feedback and in her reply she mentioned she's collecting feedback. While I know it's a not her decision so her hands are tied, I'm hoping that also indicates we'll get some official responses (and hopefully reversals) at some point.
Hopefully this is a case of someone that was told, "No. This is a horrible idea. Why would you do this? Why won't you listen to us?" getting a bit of a comeuppance to create a reversal. With WotC having shown their hand, I'm not the most optimistic. But I can hope.
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I just tried to go in and post homebrew copies of spells, races, and magic items. I keep getting a 404 error when i post anything. So no, we can't even do their work for them.
While I'm sure she's doing what she can, she collected and forwarded feedback about a la carte too and WotC never bothered responding, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. WotC clearly aren't interested in communicating with their customers.
3+ year subscriber here, DM of several games and someone with over 100+ fully-made characters on the site. I almost never post due to RL being incredibly busy, but this planned change has earned my ire.
I'll make it plain to DDB's staff (and Wizards/Hasbro folks over them listening in) - if you make this change happen, I'm out. I don't care how much of a pain in the ass it's going to be going back to pen and paper, or porting everything over to R20, but if it means I'm not giving you any more money, then it's worth it out of spite.
I need DDB to be a tool that I can rely on, make characters in, and then come back to them a year, two years later, pop open a character sheet, and have them ready to go. If you want to make the 5.5E (or whatever we're calling it) accessible, that's fine - if it's opt in. If you force it on people, and screw up the tool we're counting on to run our games, you're undermining your whole business premise.
I've said my peace, ball's in your court now.