Yeah this still sucks. You guys have such a knack for not just upsetting your customers, but doing so in a way that cuts SO deep. How do you keep doing it?
This is like Google going "you can still keep your Gmail address, but you have to physically send all your letters vial the mail." Except nobody has paid hundreds of dollars for Gmail's digital content.
You know that most of us paid TWICE for physical copies of the books AND digital copies just so we could make our characters on the site more easily, right? If I have to print out a character sheet and reference the compendium while I fill it out in pencil, what is the point of the site? Of course I had every intention of buying the 2024 PHB, but now, just because of this policy, I am going to tell my table that we are playing our next campaign paper and pencil just out of spite for this policy.
I want to continue playing my character built on 2014 rules with the 2014 rules. Defaulting my 2014 sheet to the 2024 rules and replacing all my spels and items makes that impossible. This is a worthless clarification, and I am not re-activating my subscription.
This doesn't make the changes any better. It's still making it nigh impossible to use the app to play using the 5E.14 ruleset. Why would I use the app if I have to reference the compendium? The entire USP of the app is that the spells are accessible in one place, now it's actually worse than just using a book or searching the spell on google.
Getting updated spells and magic items for free, without giving them a dime for it, does make the changes better. A lot better. Before, it seemed as though you were just up the creek without a paddle and had to homebrew to even make your character sheet functional. Now, it will just be replaced with the most up to date versions. Very different and much better.
This isn't better. This was explained in their first announcement. This post has changed nothing. Getting rules I do not want and cannot use with my character is not a good thing.
This is nonsense. What everyone wants is access to the 2014 spells on their character sheets. I feel like this is what most ppl use DNDBeyond for. It’s certainly how I mostly use it. I don’t want to have to look up every single spell rule in the compendium any time I’m trying to decide which spell to use. It shouldn’t be this hard. Wizards has consistently shown a complete disregard for their customer base over the last year from the OGL fiasco onwards. You’d think I wouldn’t be surprised any more at this point, and yet here we are. If it’s common sense, clearly Wizards is gonna go in the opposite direction.
Hey guys, I can't read pretty well without my glasses. Can anyone tell me what's written on this page for the Player's handbook (2014) product details?
Wow, this is complete bullshit. All of the groups I DM have no interest in the new books. Now we need to homebrew and recreate spells and items just to use the edition we prefer? The compendium is useless, the character sheet is the only thing my players use for online play because its easier to click through spells. You are making the one reason for using DDB completely ineffective for people who don’t want to play the 2024 version
This doesn't make the changes any better. It's still making it nigh impossible to use the app to play using the 5E.14 ruleset. Why would I use the app if I have to reference the compendium? The entire USP of the app is that the spells are accessible in one place, now it's actually worse than just using a book or searching the spell on google.
Getting updated spells and magic items for free, without giving them a dime for it, does make the changes better. A lot better. Before, it seemed as though you were just up the creek without a paddle and had to homebrew to even make your character sheet functional. Now, it will just be replaced with the most up to date versions. Very different and much better.
The problem is that we're not just getting updated spells and magic items - we're losing the spells and magic items that we have in the process. Not everyone wants the new versions of things. Not every campaign plans on updating to 2024. Forcing character sheets to use the updated version and telling us to homebrew everything in ruins the one thing D&D Beyond has going for it: ease of use (because I can just do that on a sheet of paper).
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Pulling this from elsewhere, but can anyone confirm if this is this the full list of spells that are being changed (and will need to be homebrewed before the update for the least amount of manual labor)?
Acid Splash. Alter Self. Animal Messenger. Animal Shapes. Animate Objects. Antilife Shell. Arcane Lock. Armor of Agathys. Aura of Purity. Aura of Vitality.
Magic Jar. Magic Missile. Magic Weapon. Major Image. Mass Cure Wounds. Mass Healing Word.Mass Suggestion. Maze. Mordenkainen's Faithful Hound.
Nystul’s Magic Aura
Polymorph. Produce Flame.
Ray of Enfeeblement Ray of Sickness. Resistance.
Simulacrum. Sleep. See Invisibility. Spiritual Weapon. Swift Quiver. Spirit Guardians.
True Polymorph. True Strike.
Vicious Mockery.
Wish. Witch Bolt.
You'll also need to homebrew everything that comes with a spell (legacy subclasses & expanded spell lists, legacy items, etc). And there are still things that you can't homebrew that come with spells (like warlock invocations).
My sympathies to the D&D Beyond dev team - I assume that the 2024 rules rollout has a bunch of deadlines set based on the traditional print publication cycle, and that the corporate powers that be didn't allow enough time or resources to support parallel 2014/2024 modes.
Still, I think this is the last push I need to cancel my subscription - about half my players use their own character sheet, and there's not that much paid content on the remaining character sheets - it's mostly content from the basic rules and a smattering of homebrew. If we're losing old spells from character sheets as well, there's even less benefit to sharing content with a GM subscription - I can just throw my homebrew rules in a Google Drive folder somewhere and let my players manage their own character sheets.
This doesn't make the changes any better. It's still making it nigh impossible to use the app to play using the 5E.14 ruleset. Why would I use the app if I have to reference the compendium? The entire USP of the app is that the spells are accessible in one place, now it's actually worse than just using a book or searching the spell on google.
Getting updated spells and magic items for free, without giving them a dime for it, does make the changes better. A lot better. Before, it seemed as though you were just up the creek without a paddle and had to homebrew to even make your character sheet functional. Now, it will just be replaced with the most up to date versions. Very different and much better.
No it isn’t…
Taking away something that people wanted and paid for and replacing it with something that don’t want and didn’t pay for… isn’t better. It’s exactly what they said they were going to do in the first post yesterday and it’s exactly what we had an issue with.
you misunderstanding and thinking they were just removing all spells from your character sheets altogether, was YOU misunderstanding the issue.
giving me something I do not want, for free, and taking away the thing I actually want that I’ve paid hundreds of pounds for… is not a benefit to me and their is no amount of posts you can make that changes that very simple fact.
if I bought linen trousers that I loved and someone took them away and gave me new silk trousers that I don’t like… that isn’t a gift, that’s theft and that’s basically what’s happening here. (And that’s being kind because honestly the spells are not an upgrade)
Pulling this from elsewhere, but can anyone confirm if this is this the full list of spells that are being changed (and will need to be homebrewed before the update for the least amount of manual labor)?
Acid Splash. Alter Self. Animal Messenger. Animal Shapes. Animate Objects. Antilife Shell. Arcane Lock. Armor of Agathys. Aura of Purity. Aura of Vitality.
Magic Jar. Magic Missile. Magic Weapon. Major Image. Mass Cure Wounds. Mass Healing Word.Mass Suggestion. Maze. Mordenkainen's Faithful Hound.
Nystul’s Magic Aura
Polymorph. Produce Flame.
Ray of Enfeeblement Ray of Sickness. Resistance.
Simulacrum. Sleep. See Invisibility. Spiritual Weapon. Swift Quiver. Spirit Guardians.
True Polymorph. True Strike.
Vicious Mockery.
Wish. Witch Bolt.
You'll also need to homebrew everything that comes with a spell (legacy subclasses & expanded spell lists, legacy items, etc). And there are still things that you can't homebrew that come with spells (like warlock invocations).
Thanks for expanding visibility on that list. As for things that can't be homebrewed, mentioned this elsewhere, but feats can be used to replicate a lot in the builder. Not the solution I want myself, but I'm hoping it at least helps people.
From a Database Admin perspective, the necessity of homebrewing 2014 spells for accessibility seems like a bad idea. Copies of copies of copies for ages... I do not envy the DnDB architecture team in coming years, nor do I want to imagine the potential RDS cost increases.
From a Database Admin perspective, the necessity of homebrewing 2014 spells for accessibility seems like a bad idea. Copies of copies of copies for ages... I do not envy the DnDB architecture team in coming years, nor do I want to imagine the potential RDS cost increases.
It's absolutely wild to me that their solution is to "make HB copies of the spells yourselves" rather than just have some dev spend an afternoon doing it for the entire userbase.
No. You expressed an opinion. One which is actually fairly terrible, lacks any supportive basis (you give no reason *why* it is better, only a blanket opinion that it is), and which most of the user base disagrees with.
Try again or take the L.
This is incorrect. I did explain why. Many times now actually. You can see the 'why' given first here:
Getting updated spells and magic items for free, without giving them a dime for it, does make the changes better. A lot better. Before, it seemed as though you were just up the creek without a paddle and had to homebrew to even make your character sheet functional. Now, it will just be replaced with the most up to date versions. Very different and much better.
The 'why' it is better is because it is no longer a matter of simply having the content removed and people having to homebrew to have the content back. Better is subject to gradation. It is better to get spells and magic items that I don't like than it is to get nothing but broken character sheets. It is 'more better' to get the Legacy tag and otherwise see no change to the character sheets.
People are getting something, which is more than nothing. How you feel about that something is the opinion, but the fact that you are getting something is better than nothing at all. Yesterday, the general understanding was we were not only getting nothing, but only losing access to content in the toolset. The update here makes it explicitly clear that this understanding is erroneous and that you are getting something, replacements, updates, new content, without having to pay for it. This is better than nothing at all whether you like it or not. I am not going to waste my time trying to make you like it, as I have already made it clear that you don't have to like it. Where my stakes are planted in the ground, is in the fact that 2014 spells and magic items that are being removed are being replaced with their 2024 counterparts for free. People who want archived versions of the spells and magic items will have to homebrew it themselves, but they are not simply having content taken from them.
If you do not like that, argue with the people who say you should, instead of me. That seems to be what you want to argue about anyway. Also, I obviously do not really care about the number of people who disagree with me. I am not sure why you think an appeal to the masses would muzzle me, given the context of this thread.
This isn't better. This was explained in their first announcement. This post has changed nothing. Getting rules I do not want and cannot use with my character is not a good thing.
I never said 'good' a single time in this thread. Please read my posts for what they are.
The problem is that we're not just getting updated spells and magic items - we're losing the spells and magic items that we have in the process. Not everyone wants the new versions of things. Not every campaign plans on updating to 2024. Forcing character sheets to use the updated version and telling us to homebrew everything in ruins the one thing D&D Beyond has going for it: ease of use (because I can just do that on a sheet of paper).
Nothing here actually addresses my comment. I am not disputing what people do or do not want, what plans are regarding the 2024 rules, or feelings on getting a forced update on a site that has always been billed as always being 'the most up-to-date version of 5e'. These are grievances that are beyond the scope of my position here.
Taking away something that people wanted and paid for and replacing it with something that don’t want and didn’t pay for… isn’t better. It’s exactly what they said they were going to do in the first post yesterday and it’s exactly what we had an issue with.
you misunderstanding and thinking they were just removing all spells from your character sheets altogether, was YOU misunderstanding the issue.
giving me something I do not want, for free, and taking away the thing I actually want that I’ve paid hundreds of pounds for… is not a benefit to me and their is no amount of posts you can make that changes that very simple fact.
if I bought linen trousers that I loved and someone took them away and gave me new silk trousers that I don’t like… that isn’t a gift, that’s theft and that’s basically what’s happening here. (And that’s being kind because honestly the spells are not an upgrade)
Is replacing content in the toolset better than simply removing the content entirely, leaving you only the compendium? Do you think there is no meaningful difference at all? Are you trying to argue that 1 is 0?
It is not my misunderstanding. I can cite you hundreds of posts from the other change log thread that communicate that understanding. If you need that proof, here you go.
Degree of benefit is beyond the scope of my position here. I have no interest in that discussion and I have maintained that position consistently for 9 pages now.
Yeah this still sucks. You guys have such a knack for not just upsetting your customers, but doing so in a way that cuts SO deep. How do you keep doing it?
This is like Google going "you can still keep your Gmail address, but you have to physically send all your letters vial the mail." Except nobody has paid hundreds of dollars for Gmail's digital content.
You know that most of us paid TWICE for physical copies of the books AND digital copies just so we could make our characters on the site more easily, right? If I have to print out a character sheet and reference the compendium while I fill it out in pencil, what is the point of the site? Of course I had every intention of buying the 2024 PHB, but now, just because of this policy, I am going to tell my table that we are playing our next campaign paper and pencil just out of spite for this policy.
I want to continue playing my character built on 2014 rules with the 2014 rules. Defaulting my 2014 sheet to the 2024 rules and replacing all my spels and items makes that impossible. This is a worthless clarification, and I am not re-activating my subscription.
This isn't better. This was explained in their first announcement. This post has changed nothing. Getting rules I do not want and cannot use with my character is not a good thing.
This is nonsense. What everyone wants is access to the 2014 spells on their character sheets. I feel like this is what most ppl use DNDBeyond for. It’s certainly how I mostly use it. I don’t want to have to look up every single spell rule in the compendium any time I’m trying to decide which spell to use. It shouldn’t be this hard. Wizards has consistently shown a complete disregard for their customer base over the last year from the OGL fiasco onwards. You’d think I wouldn’t be surprised any more at this point, and yet here we are. If it’s common sense, clearly Wizards is gonna go in the opposite direction.
Hey guys, I can't read pretty well without my glasses.
Can anyone tell me what's written on this page for the Player's handbook (2014) product details?
Wow, this is complete bullshit. All of the groups I DM have no interest in the new books. Now we need to homebrew and recreate spells and items just to use the edition we prefer? The compendium is useless, the character sheet is the only thing my players use for online play because its easier to click through spells. You are making the one reason for using DDB completely ineffective for people who don’t want to play the 2024 version
The problem is that we're not just getting updated spells and magic items - we're losing the spells and magic items that we have in the process. Not everyone wants the new versions of things. Not every campaign plans on updating to 2024. Forcing character sheets to use the updated version and telling us to homebrew everything in ruins the one thing D&D Beyond has going for it: ease of use (because I can just do that on a sheet of paper).
"We have a saying where I'm from: 'If you can help someone, help them'." - Amoranda Blackwell, owner of The Purple Flame
Pulling this from elsewhere, but can anyone confirm if this is this the full list of spells that are being changed (and will need to be homebrewed before the update for the least amount of manual labor)?
You'll also need to homebrew everything that comes with a spell (legacy subclasses & expanded spell lists, legacy items, etc). And there are still things that you can't homebrew that come with spells (like warlock invocations).
My sympathies to the D&D Beyond dev team - I assume that the 2024 rules rollout has a bunch of deadlines set based on the traditional print publication cycle, and that the corporate powers that be didn't allow enough time or resources to support parallel 2014/2024 modes.
Still, I think this is the last push I need to cancel my subscription - about half my players use their own character sheet, and there's not that much paid content on the remaining character sheets - it's mostly content from the basic rules and a smattering of homebrew. If we're losing old spells from character sheets as well, there's even less benefit to sharing content with a GM subscription - I can just throw my homebrew rules in a Google Drive folder somewhere and let my players manage their own character sheets.
No it isn’t…
Taking away something that people wanted and paid for and replacing it with something that don’t want and didn’t pay for… isn’t better. It’s exactly what they said they were going to do in the first post yesterday and it’s exactly what we had an issue with.
you misunderstanding and thinking they were just removing all spells from your character sheets altogether, was YOU misunderstanding the issue.
giving me something I do not want, for free, and taking away the thing I actually want that I’ve paid hundreds of pounds for… is not a benefit to me and their is no amount of posts you can make that changes that very simple fact.
if I bought linen trousers that I loved and someone took them away and gave me new silk trousers that I don’t like… that isn’t a gift, that’s theft and that’s basically what’s happening here. (And that’s being kind because honestly the spells are not an upgrade)
Thanks for expanding visibility on that list. As for things that can't be homebrewed, mentioned this elsewhere, but feats can be used to replicate a lot in the builder. Not the solution I want myself, but I'm hoping it at least helps people.
From a Database Admin perspective, the necessity of homebrewing 2014 spells for accessibility seems like a bad idea. Copies of copies of copies for ages... I do not envy the DnDB architecture team in coming years, nor do I want to imagine the potential RDS cost increases.
It's absolutely wild to me that their solution is to "make HB copies of the spells yourselves" rather than just have some dev spend an afternoon doing it for the entire userbase.
What happens if you purchased spells ala carte thus cannot select them through the compendium?
Exactly, this is creating MORE of a problem than it would to just leave them with a legacy tag.
Still pulling my groups off D&D beyond, and moving away from D&D entirely at the conclusion of each of my campaigns' current arcs.
This is incorrect. I did explain why. Many times now actually. You can see the 'why' given first here:
The 'why' it is better is because it is no longer a matter of simply having the content removed and people having to homebrew to have the content back. Better is subject to gradation. It is better to get spells and magic items that I don't like than it is to get nothing but broken character sheets. It is 'more better' to get the Legacy tag and otherwise see no change to the character sheets.
People are getting something, which is more than nothing. How you feel about that something is the opinion, but the fact that you are getting something is better than nothing at all. Yesterday, the general understanding was we were not only getting nothing, but only losing access to content in the toolset. The update here makes it explicitly clear that this understanding is erroneous and that you are getting something, replacements, updates, new content, without having to pay for it. This is better than nothing at all whether you like it or not. I am not going to waste my time trying to make you like it, as I have already made it clear that you don't have to like it. Where my stakes are planted in the ground, is in the fact that 2014 spells and magic items that are being removed are being replaced with their 2024 counterparts for free. People who want archived versions of the spells and magic items will have to homebrew it themselves, but they are not simply having content taken from them.
If you do not like that, argue with the people who say you should, instead of me. That seems to be what you want to argue about anyway. Also, I obviously do not really care about the number of people who disagree with me. I am not sure why you think an appeal to the masses would muzzle me, given the context of this thread.
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I never said 'good' a single time in this thread. Please read my posts for what they are.
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Nothing here actually addresses my comment. I am not disputing what people do or do not want, what plans are regarding the 2024 rules, or feelings on getting a forced update on a site that has always been billed as always being 'the most up-to-date version of 5e'. These are grievances that are beyond the scope of my position here.
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Is replacing content in the toolset better than simply removing the content entirely, leaving you only the compendium? Do you think there is no meaningful difference at all? Are you trying to argue that 1 is 0?
It is not my misunderstanding. I can cite you hundreds of posts from the other change log thread that communicate that understanding. If you need that proof, here you go.
Degree of benefit is beyond the scope of my position here. I have no interest in that discussion and I have maintained that position consistently for 9 pages now.
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