Raw, it doesn't look like the spell gained via the magic initiate feat can be upcast,or used more then once per day. However,l have a player who wants to use this feat to give their sorcerer armour of agythys (and obviously Eldritch blast),but obviously,this spell becomes way less useful at later levels if it can only be cast once a day at level one.
My question is,would you allow the spell gained by magic initiate to become like any other spell they have?(being able to use any spellslot they have to cast).
On a side note,l know the feat says you use the classes spell casting ability for the spells (which is a reason they chose warlock). But would it be fair/not OP to allow the new spells to act like their normal spells (like if you are a wizard it counts as a wizard spell,or a druid a druid spell?) I ask cause l know there are subclasses that give spells not normally on that classes spell lists and they count as a part of this spell list,so there is cannon proof this is possible.
Also,l know my thoughts on this matter. I want to know the thoughts of YOU (other dms),and if YOU would allow it.
Edit:ok,so far, everyone (who's commented ) has chosen to stick to RAW. That's, disappointing,but it is a small sample size. That said,l do appreciate the feedback. (Especially the " make it so the spell is cast at half your level (rounded up, max 9)" one,cause it actually adds something other then "the RAW says no." )
Magic Initiate does not per RAW let you cast it in any other way than as described under the feat. I would actually be tempted to make it so the spell is cast at half your level (rounded up, max 9) so the spell you get remains consistently useful (it's still a first level spell so not that amazing, but it means at least it's a sensible use of an action at higher levels).
Magic Initiate does not per RAW let you cast it in any other way than as described under the feat. I would actually be tempted to make it so the spell is cast at half your level (rounded up, max 9) so the spell you get remains consistently useful (it's still a first level spell so not that amazing, but it means at least it's a sensible use of an action at higher levels).
Total level? Or their highest spell casting class level?
Magic Initiate does not per RAW let you cast it in any other way than as described under the feat. I would actually be tempted to make it so the spell is cast at half your level (rounded up, max 9) so the spell you get remains consistently useful (it's still a first level spell so not that amazing, but it means at least it's a sensible use of an action at higher levels).
Total level? Or their highest spell casting class level?
Total level. If for some strange reason a fighter decides to take magic initiate for an attack spell, that spell should not be a waste of an action at higher levels (note: half level is not necessarily the right number, but given that normal at-will damage at level 17 is generally going to be 40+, being able to throw a 10d8 Thunderwave doesn't horrify me).
^i think it’s short sighted to suggest people take Magic Initiate for damage output! Those spells are best used for utility or some sort, which often doesn’t need to scale or diminish in power.
^i think it’s short sighted to suggest people take Magic Initiate for damage output! Those spells are best used for utility or some sort, which often doesn’t need to scale or diminish in power.
Well, yes, it's a bad idea to take magic initiate for damage output, but that's because it doesn't scale. There's no reason it should be a bad idea.
I would stick with the rules as written, which means the only way a spell like Armor of Agathys can be upcast is if a Warlock takes the Magic Initiate (Warlock) feat and takes that spell.
If you have spell slots, can you use them to cast the 1st-level spell you learn with the Magic Initiate feat?
Yes, but only if the class you pick for the feat is one of your classes. For example, if you pick sorcerer and you are a sorcerer, the Spellcasting feature for that class tells you that you can use your spell slots to cast the sorcerer spells you know, so you can use your spell slots to cast the 1st-level sorcerer spell you learn from Magic Initiate. Similarly, if you are a wizard and pick that class for the feat, you learn a 1st-level wizard spell, which you could add to your spellbook and subsequently prepare.
In short, you must follow your character’s normal spellcasting rules, which determine whether you can expend spell slots on the 1st-level spell you learn from Magic Initiate.
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I would only allow an upcast *if* you took Magic Initiate for a class you already are and have spell slots for. Example, being a Wizard and taking Magic Initiate Wizard. so if a Fighter takes Magic Initiate Druid, they can't upcast because they have no spell slots to upcast, let alone having any druid slots to upcast it.
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Raw, it doesn't look like the spell gained via the magic initiate feat can be upcast,or used more then once per day. However,l have a player who wants to use this feat to give their sorcerer armour of agythys (and obviously Eldritch blast),but obviously,this spell becomes way less useful at later levels if it can only be cast once a day at level one.
My question is,would you allow the spell gained by magic initiate to become like any other spell they have?(being able to use any spellslot they have to cast).
On a side note,l know the feat says you use the classes spell casting ability for the spells (which is a reason they chose warlock). But would it be fair/not OP to allow the new spells to act like their normal spells (like if you are a wizard it counts as a wizard spell,or a druid a druid spell?) I ask cause l know there are subclasses that give spells not normally on that classes spell lists and they count as a part of this spell list,so there is cannon proof this is possible.
Also,l know my thoughts on this matter. I want to know the thoughts of YOU (other dms),and if YOU would allow it.
Edit:ok,so far, everyone (who's commented ) has chosen to stick to RAW. That's, disappointing,but it is a small sample size. That said,l do appreciate the feedback. (Especially the " make it so the spell is cast at half your level (rounded up, max 9)" one,cause it actually adds something other then "the RAW says no." )
Magic Initiate does not per RAW let you cast it in any other way than as described under the feat. I would actually be tempted to make it so the spell is cast at half your level (rounded up, max 9) so the spell you get remains consistently useful (it's still a first level spell so not that amazing, but it means at least it's a sensible use of an action at higher levels).
Total level? Or their highest spell casting class level?
Total level. If for some strange reason a fighter decides to take magic initiate for an attack spell, that spell should not be a waste of an action at higher levels (note: half level is not necessarily the right number, but given that normal at-will damage at level 17 is generally going to be 40+, being able to throw a 10d8 Thunderwave doesn't horrify me).
^i think it’s short sighted to suggest people take Magic Initiate for damage output! Those spells are best used for utility or some sort, which often doesn’t need to scale or diminish in power.
Well, yes, it's a bad idea to take magic initiate for damage output, but that's because it doesn't scale. There's no reason it should be a bad idea.
I would stick with the rules as written, which means the only way a spell like Armor of Agathys can be upcast is if a Warlock takes the Magic Initiate (Warlock) feat and takes that spell.
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No. That is what multi-casting is all about. You want to upcast that spell, take a level not a feat.
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I would only allow an upcast *if* you took Magic Initiate for a class you already are and have spell slots for. Example, being a Wizard and taking Magic Initiate Wizard. so if a Fighter takes Magic Initiate Druid, they can't upcast because they have no spell slots to upcast, let alone having any druid slots to upcast it.
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