Given Hunger of Hadar specifically makes a character fully within the area Blinded, and that Devil's Sight allows to see in darkness, I'd say no, you would not be able to see into it, as by the description of the space created by the spell it is not darkness. It could be argued that the spell specifies there is no light, but that does not necessarily make the space count as darkness, as it normally specified elsewhere.
Also, considering the rest of the description of the spell, I guess anyone able to see inside that would automatically go insane.
Hunger of Hadar creates, effectively, an area of darkness for creatures outside its area of effect, while creature inside are blinded. Devil's sight allows the warlock to see in darkness (non-magical or magical). So, I guess, creatures outside the area of effect with Devil's Sight can see what it is inside, while creatures inside the area see nothing.
Hunger of Hadar creates, effectively, an area of darkness for creatures outside its area of effect, while creature inside are blinded. Devil's sight allows the warlock to see in darkness (non-magical or magical). So, I guess, creatures outside the area of effect with Devil's Sight can see what it is inside, while creatures inside the area see nothing.
I guess we differ on the interpretation then :P To me the fact that there is no specific mention of the space created being an area of darkness, while, for example, the Darkness spell states it several times (even though it's the name itself of the spell), makes me think it doesn't really count as darkness, but something else.
Hunger of Hadar creates, effectively, an area of darkness for creatures outside its area of effect, while creature inside are blinded. Devil's sight allows the warlock to see in darkness (non-magical or magical). So, I guess, creatures outside the area of effect with Devil's Sight can see what it is inside, while creatures inside the area see nothing.
The spell never calls it an area of darkness though; it's "a gateway to the dark between the stars" and a "void". It also makes no references to darkvision.
In general, you're not expected to have to guess with the rules. If something is an X, the rules will call it an X.
Hunger of Hadar creates, effectively, an area of darkness for creatures outside its area of effect, while creature inside are blinded. Devil's sight allows the warlock to see in darkness (non-magical or magical). So, I guess, creatures outside the area of effect with Devil's Sight can see what it is inside, while creatures inside the area see nothing.
The spell never calls it an area of darkness though; it's "a gateway to the dark between the stars" and a "void". It also makes no references to darkvision.
In general, you're not expected to have to guess with the rules. If something is an X, the rules will call it an X.
100% with you on this one. However, the spell says "no light, magical or otherwise, can illuminate the area." I would interpret this bit as darkness.
The wording here seems very carefully selected. "a 20-foot-radius sphere of blackness". Why "blackness" and not "darkness"?
And the rest of the spell carefully avoids mentioning darkness of any sort. I believe its intention is to not interact with effects that rely on darkness (such as Darkvision or Devil's Sight). Its mention of not allowing illumination feels just like a safety check so that people don't assume they can see within its void with a torch or a Light.
I'd say to avoid reading into it, and just go with what it does explicitly say. If you're inside, you're blinded. If you're outside, it's a sphere of blackness (not darkness), and light can't illuminate it. Like a sphere of black ink. :p
Yep, it's not blackness because it's dark, it's blackness specifically listed as such which exists within a warp in the fabric of space, the contents of which cannot be illuminated by any sort of light, which means that the blackness is not due to an absence of light but is an active, positive blackness, much like octopus ink. If it meant darkness (the absence of light) rather than blackness (the property of being black in color), I would expect it to say as such.
It's a little tricky, to be sure, but here's my interpretation:
I do not believe the spell is ignoring nomenclature - in fact, I believe it's very interestingly (and carefully) written.
I think it doesn't mention being a heavily obscured area for the same reason a Wall of Stone doesn't mention it grants creatures behind it total cover. It is not part of its effects directly, just a side effect. What it does to the area is clear enough to allow the DM to make any relevant judgments (it's safe to say I'd rule someone within a sphere of blackness to be heavily obscured to anyone without blindsight or similar, but contrary to a sphere of darkness, darkvision wouldn't help there).
Compare with Shadow of Moil. It causes light to diminish around you, but it also (potently) grants you that "heavily obscured" state regardless of light state - shadows cling on you like a veil, so things like darkvision are still foiled by it.
So when hunger of Hadar is cast, can the warlock invocation see in it with devils sight
Given Hunger of Hadar specifically makes a character fully within the area Blinded, and that Devil's Sight allows to see in darkness, I'd say no, you would not be able to see into it, as by the description of the space created by the spell it is not darkness.
It could be argued that the spell specifies there is no light, but that does not necessarily make the space count as darkness, as it normally specified elsewhere.
Also, considering the rest of the description of the spell, I guess anyone able to see inside that would automatically go insane.
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Hunger of Hadar creates, effectively, an area of darkness for creatures outside its area of effect, while creature inside are blinded. Devil's sight allows the warlock to see in darkness (non-magical or magical). So, I guess, creatures outside the area of effect with Devil's Sight can see what it is inside, while creatures inside the area see nothing.
To me the fact that there is no specific mention of the space created being an area of darkness, while, for example, the Darkness spell states it several times (even though it's the name itself of the spell), makes me think it doesn't really count as darkness, but something else.
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The wording here seems very carefully selected. "a 20-foot-radius sphere of blackness". Why "blackness" and not "darkness"?
And the rest of the spell carefully avoids mentioning darkness of any sort. I believe its intention is to not interact with effects that rely on darkness (such as Darkvision or Devil's Sight). Its mention of not allowing illumination feels just like a safety check so that people don't assume they can see within its void with a torch or a Light.
I'd say to avoid reading into it, and just go with what it does explicitly say. If you're inside, you're blinded. If you're outside, it's a sphere of blackness (not darkness), and light can't illuminate it. Like a sphere of black ink. :p
Yep, it's not blackness because it's dark, it's blackness specifically listed as such which exists within a warp in the fabric of space, the contents of which cannot be illuminated by any sort of light, which means that the blackness is not due to an absence of light but is an active, positive blackness, much like octopus ink. If it meant darkness (the absence of light) rather than blackness (the property of being black in color), I would expect it to say as such.
But if it is like octopus ink, why the spell does not specify that is a heavily obscured area (since we have a very specific mechanic for this)?
Some spells are just badly written and ignore established nomenclature. I think it is a kind of darkness, but ask your GM for their interpretation.
It's a little tricky, to be sure, but here's my interpretation:
I do not believe the spell is ignoring nomenclature - in fact, I believe it's very interestingly (and carefully) written.
I think it doesn't mention being a heavily obscured area for the same reason a Wall of Stone doesn't mention it grants creatures behind it total cover. It is not part of its effects directly, just a side effect. What it does to the area is clear enough to allow the DM to make any relevant judgments (it's safe to say I'd rule someone within a sphere of blackness to be heavily obscured to anyone without blindsight or similar, but contrary to a sphere of darkness, darkvision wouldn't help there).
Compare with Shadow of Moil. It causes light to diminish around you, but it also (potently) grants you that "heavily obscured" state regardless of light state - shadows cling on you like a veil, so things like darkvision are still foiled by it.