Those two would not be applied to the same spell but either can be stacked with the Warlock's Radiant Soul feature as that doesn't limit what spells it applies to more than that it needs to deal Radiant or Fire damage.
If a feature adds a spell to your class list, it adds it to all of your class lists. For sake of discussion, let's say something added Firebolt to your class list, it would now be a Wizard and Cleric cantrip for you so it would be eligible for all three effects, correct?
Edit: The Boros Legionaire background does this for Firebolt and Sacred Flame.
Those two would not be applied to the same spell but either can be stacked with the Warlock's Radiant Soul feature as that doesn't limit what spells it applies to more than that it needs to deal Radiant or Fire damage.
If a feature adds a spell to your class list, it adds it to all of your class lists. For sake of discussion, let's say something added Firebolt to your class list, it would now be a Wizard and Cleric cantrip for you so it would be eligible for all three effects, correct?
Edit: The Boros Legionaire background does this for Firebolt and Sacred Flame.
Could we create a new thread for this question? It's a good one. I can start it if you'd like or a moderator could move it to a new thread.
Maybe that background is an exception and it's because the Prerequisite is a Spellcasting or Pact Magic class feature.
But, for example, the spells you gain from your species aren't considered a class spell. Examples of species that grant spells without mentioning a specific class:
Elven Lineage. [...] When you reach character levels 3 and 5, you learn a higher-level spell, as shown on the table. You always have that spell prepared. You can cast it once without a spell slot, and you regain the ability to cast it in that way when you finish a Long Rest. You can also cast the spell using any spell slots you have of the appropriate level. Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma is your spellcasting ability for the spells you cast with this trait (choose the ability when you select the lineage).
I think the same might apply to the Fey-Touched feat, for example.
A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list. So a spell is only a Wizard spell if learned from the Wizard class directly or if a feature says to choose a spell from the Wizard spell list.
And a spell from a specific spell list is not automatically considered a class spell for all classes you've taken.
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
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If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
Just looking for clarity on this line, since the way I normally understand it is that Species have Traits, Classes have Features and Feats are Feats. Since Features belong to classes, I assume what is meant here is a more generic term encompassing Features, Feats and Traits?
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
Just looking for clarity on this line, since the way I normally understand it is that Species have Traits, Classes have Features and Feats are Feats. Since Features belong to classes, I assume what is meant here is a more generic term encompassing Features, Feats and Traits?
"Feature" is a term commonly used to refer to all of those things. In cases where the rules specifically mean a feature granted by a class, they say "class feature", not just "feature".
Regardless of which term you use, the point still stands; spells you don't get from your class aren't class spells.
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
Just looking for clarity on this line, since the way I normally understand it is that Species have Traits, Classes have Features and Feats are Feats. Since Features belong to classes, I assume what is meant here is a more generic term encompassing Features, Feats and Traits?
"Feature" is a term commonly used to refer to all of those things. In cases where the rules specifically mean a feature granted by a class, they say "class feature", not just "feature".
Regardless of which term you use, the point still stands; spells you don't get from your class aren't class spells.
Indeed, Feature referring to all those and class features is a little on the confusing side, but yes, I know any spell not granted by a class feature is not a class spell.
Those two would not be applied to the same spell but either can be stacked with the Warlock's Radiant Soul feature as that doesn't limit what spells it applies to more than that it needs to deal Radiant or Fire damage.
If a feature adds a spell to your class list, it adds it to all of your class lists. For sake of discussion, let's say something added Firebolt to your class list, it would now be a Wizard and Cleric cantrip for you so it would be eligible for all three effects, correct?
Edit: The Boros Legionaire background does this for Firebolt and Sacred Flame.
Could we create a new thread for this question? It's a good one. I can start it if you'd like or a moderator could move it to a new thread.
Maybe that background is an exception and it's because the Prerequisite is a Spellcasting or Pact Magic class feature.
But, for example, I think the spells you gain from your species aren't considered a class spell. Examples of species that grant spells without mentioning a specific class:
Elven Lineage. [...] When you reach character levels 3 and 5, you learn a higher-level spell, as shown on the table. You always have that spell prepared. You can cast it once without a spell slot, and you regain the ability to cast it in that way when you finish a Long Rest. You can also cast the spell using any spell slots you have of the appropriate level. Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma is your spellcasting ability for the spells you cast with this trait (choose the ability when you select the lineage).
I think the same might apply to the Fey-Touched feat, for example.
Okay, you've broken out the question, but now the original context of Potent Cantrip, Radiant Soul, and Potent Cantrip.
I don't know of any feats or lineages that add spells to your class spells, just a few backgrounds (Strixhaven and Ravnica). Maybe the Dragonmark subraces do the same.
A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list. So a spell is only a Wizard spell if learned from the Wizard class directly or if a feature says to choose a spell from the Wizard spell list.
And a spell from a specific spell list is not automatically considered a class spell for all classes you've taken.
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
This is not completely correct. A few backgrounds and class features change your class list. If you are a Cleric/Wizard with a Boros Legionaire background, Firebolt and Sacred Flame are both Cleric and Wizard cantrips because the Boros background explicitly adds it to all of your class lists.
If also multiclassed into Warlock, with Radiant Soul, Potent Spellcasting, and Potent Cantrip, you would deal 1d10 - 4d10 fire damage + your Wisdom modifier + your Charisma modifier and on a miss, you still deal half damage. If you take Agonizing Blast, you can add your Charisma modifier a second time to the base damage.
The same applies to Sacred Flame, but with 1d8 - 4d8 radiant damage.
Those two would not be applied to the same spell but either can be stacked with the Warlock's Radiant Soul feature as that doesn't limit what spells it applies to more than that it needs to deal Radiant or Fire damage.
If a feature adds a spell to your class list, it adds it to all of your class lists. For sake of discussion, let's say something added Firebolt to your class list, it would now be a Wizard and Cleric cantrip for you so it would be eligible for all three effects, correct?
Edit: The Boros Legionaire background does this for Firebolt and Sacred Flame.
Could we create a new thread for this question? It's a good one. I can start it if you'd like or a moderator could move it to a new thread.
Maybe that background is an exception and it's because the Prerequisite is a Spellcasting or Pact Magic class feature.
But, for example, I think the spells you gain from your species aren't considered a class spell. Examples of species that grant spells without mentioning a specific class:
Elven Lineage. [...] When you reach character levels 3 and 5, you learn a higher-level spell, as shown on the table. You always have that spell prepared. You can cast it once without a spell slot, and you regain the ability to cast it in that way when you finish a Long Rest. You can also cast the spell using any spell slots you have of the appropriate level. Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma is your spellcasting ability for the spells you cast with this trait (choose the ability when you select the lineage).
I think the same might apply to the Fey-Touched feat, for example.
Okay, you've broken out the question, but now the original context of Potent Cantrip, Radiant Soul, and Potent Cantrip.
I don't know of any feats or lineages that add spells to your class spells, just a few backgrounds (Strixhaven and Ravnica). Maybe the Dragonmark subraces do the same.
A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list. So a spell is only a Wizard spell if learned from the Wizard class directly or if a feature says to choose a spell from the Wizard spell list.
And a spell from a specific spell list is not automatically considered a class spell for all classes you've taken.
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
This is not completely correct. A few backgrounds and class features change your class list. If you are a Cleric/Wizard with a Boros Legionaire background, Firebolt and Sacred Flame are both Cleric and Wizard cantrips because the Boros background explicitly adds it to all of your class lists.
Honestly, both of you are saying the same:
Sillvva: "If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all."
SmiteMakesRight_3_5: "A few backgrounds and class features change your class list."
The point is your original claim is not (always) correct (there are exceptions, sure):
If a feature adds a spell to your class list, it adds it to all of your class lists. For sake of discussion, let's say something added Firebolt to your class list, it would now be a Wizard and Cleric cantrip for you so it would be eligible for all three effects, correct? [...]
A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list. So a spell is only a Wizard spell if learned from the Wizard class directly or if a feature says to choose a spell from the Wizard spell list.
And a spell from a specific spell list is not automatically considered a class spell for all classes you've taken.
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
This is not completely correct. A few backgrounds and class features change your class list. If you are a Cleric/Wizard with a Boros Legionaire background, Firebolt and Sacred Flame are both Cleric and Wizard cantrips because the Boros background explicitly adds it to all of your class lists.
Honestly, both of you are saying the same:
Sillvva: "If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all."
SmiteMakesRight_3_5: "A few backgrounds and class features change your class list."
The point is your original claim is not (always) correct (there are exceptions, sure)
Specifically, Sillvva:"A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list. So a spell is only a Wizard spell if learned from the Wizard class directly or if a feature says to choose a spell from the Wizard spell list."
That is missing the part where the Class list can be modified, which was the basis of the original post in the context of Potent Cantrip, Radiant Soul, and Potent Spellcasting.
Similarly, Pact of the Tome lets you pick cantrips from any spell list and does not add them to the Warlock spell list, but they are Warlock Cantrips for you while you are holding your tome.
No, "A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list" is incorrect.
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If a feature adds a spell to your class list, it adds it to all of your class lists. For sake of discussion, let's say something added Firebolt to your class list, it would now be a Wizard and Cleric cantrip for you so it would be eligible for all three effects, correct?
Edit: The Boros Legionaire background does this for Firebolt and Sacred Flame.
Could we create a new thread for this question? It's a good one. I can start it if you'd like or a moderator could move it to a new thread.
Maybe that background is an exception and it's because the Prerequisite is a Spellcasting or Pact Magic class feature.
But, for example, the spells you gain from your species aren't considered a class spell. Examples of species that grant spells without mentioning a specific class:
I think the same might apply to the Fey-Touched feat, for example.
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And a spell from a specific spell list is not automatically considered a class spell for all classes you've taken.
If a feature grants you a spell, but does not reference a spell list, then it is not a class spell at all.
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Just looking for clarity on this line, since the way I normally understand it is that Species have Traits, Classes have Features and Feats are Feats. Since Features belong to classes, I assume what is meant here is a more generic term encompassing Features, Feats and Traits?
"Feature" is a term commonly used to refer to all of those things. In cases where the rules specifically mean a feature granted by a class, they say "class feature", not just "feature".
Regardless of which term you use, the point still stands; spells you don't get from your class aren't class spells.
Indeed, Feature referring to all those and class features is a little on the confusing side, but yes, I know any spell not granted by a class feature is not a class spell.
Okay, you've broken out the question, but now the original context of Potent Cantrip, Radiant Soul, and Potent Cantrip.
I don't know of any feats or lineages that add spells to your class spells, just a few backgrounds (Strixhaven and Ravnica). Maybe the Dragonmark subraces do the same.
This is not completely correct. A few backgrounds and class features change your class list. If you are a Cleric/Wizard with a Boros Legionaire background, Firebolt and Sacred Flame are both Cleric and Wizard cantrips because the Boros background explicitly adds it to all of your class lists.
If also multiclassed into Warlock, with Radiant Soul, Potent Spellcasting, and Potent Cantrip, you would deal 1d10 - 4d10 fire damage + your Wisdom modifier + your Charisma modifier and on a miss, you still deal half damage. If you take Agonizing Blast, you can add your Charisma modifier a second time to the base damage.
The same applies to Sacred Flame, but with 1d8 - 4d8 radiant damage.
Honestly, both of you are saying the same:
The point is your original claim is not (always) correct (there are exceptions, sure):
BTW, thanks Sillvva for creating the thread.
Specifically, Sillvva:"A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list. So a spell is only a Wizard spell if learned from the Wizard class directly or if a feature says to choose a spell from the Wizard spell list."
That is missing the part where the Class list can be modified, which was the basis of the original post in the context of Potent Cantrip, Radiant Soul, and Potent Spellcasting.
Similarly, Pact of the Tome lets you pick cantrips from any spell list and does not add them to the Warlock spell list, but they are Warlock Cantrips for you while you are holding your tome.
No, "A spell is only on a specific class spell list if it comes from that class's spell list" is incorrect.