In 2024, the spells are written pretty clearly in this regard: True Strike does not target the caster. "Range: Self" means the point of origin is the caster, and the spell description tells you to make an attack. Nothing says it targets the caster.
(Crawford even did a video discussing this, at length, in 2020. Posted up-thread. The "blade cantrips" did not target the caster then, and were eligible for War Caster then, too.)
Crawford's commentary that is not included in the SAC is not official, and at best hints at RAI, but may reflect his personal bias and not the opinion of the entire design team. His ruling regarding War Caster and Green-flame Blade in that interview is not included in the SAC and is therefore not official.
This has some resemblance (emphasis mine):
Second, neither green-flame blade nor booming blade works with Extra Attack or any other feature that requires the Attack action. Like other spells, these cantrips require the Cast a Spell action, not the Attack action, and they can’t be used to make an opportunity attack, unless a special feature allows you to do so.
His commentary was more around targets. Not around action types.
timestamp: people also have wondered how did these interact with War Caster. A feat that allows you to make an opportunity attack with a spell as long as you target only one thing with that opportunity attack. And so then the question is "Can you use booming blade with its new range of self parentheses to make that opportunity attack as defined by War Caster?". The answer is yes and the reason why it goes back to what I was saying about our rules on Range where you'll notice that as soon as we get to the Self parentheses part we don't talk about you targeting yourself because spells in this category you have to look at the spell to see what exactly are you targeting because all Self parentheses tells us some magic is extending out from me [and] we'll see who are, what it's targeting, and in the case of Booming Blade who or what's being targeted is the person you attack with it [...]
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In 2024, the spells are written pretty clearly in this regard: True Strike does not target the caster. "Range: Self" means the point of origin is the caster, and the spell description tells you to make an attack. Nothing says it targets the caster.
(Crawford even did a video discussing this, at length, in 2020. Posted up-thread. The "blade cantrips" did not target the caster then, and were eligible for War Caster then, too.)
Crawford's commentary that is not included in the SAC is not official, and at best hints at RAI, but may reflect his personal bias and not the opinion of the entire design team. His ruling regarding War Caster and Green-flame Blade in that interview is not included in the SAC and is therefore not official.
This has some resemblance (emphasis mine):
Second, neither green-flame blade nor booming blade works with Extra Attack or any other feature that requires the Attack action. Like other spells, these cantrips require the Cast a Spell action, not the Attack action, and they can’t be used to make an opportunity attack, unless a special feature allows you to do so.
That is inaccurate, as those type spells can be cast as bonus actions during Attack Actions. True Strike as a cantrip( aka at will) type spell can be cast as a bonus action and still be allowed by both 2014 and 2024 spellcasting rules.
I think you are confused with paladin smite spells.
In 2024, the spells are written pretty clearly in this regard: True Strike does not target the caster. "Range: Self" means the point of origin is the caster, and the spell description tells you to make an attack. Nothing says it targets the caster.
(Crawford even did a video discussing this, at length, in 2020. Posted up-thread. The "blade cantrips" did not target the caster then, and were eligible for War Caster then, too.)
Crawford's commentary that is not included in the SAC is not official, and at best hints at RAI, but may reflect his personal bias and not the opinion of the entire design team. His ruling regarding War Caster and Green-flame Blade in that interview is not included in the SAC and is therefore not official.
This has some resemblance (emphasis mine):
Second, neither green-flame blade nor booming blade works with Extra Attack or any other feature that requires the Attack action. Like other spells, these cantrips require the Cast a Spell action, not the Attack action, and they can’t be used to make an opportunity attack, unless a special feature allows you to do so.
That is inaccurate, as those type spells can be cast as bonus actions during Attack Actions. True Strike as a cantrip( aka at will) type spell can be cast as a bonus action and still be allowed by both 2014 and 2024 spellcasting rules.
This is wrong. And it's explained in the quoted text from the SAC:
Like other spells, these cantrips require the Cast a Spell action, not the Attack action,
And my previous post was just how I understand True Strike according to the Range and Effects rules (explained in the first pages of the thread) + SAC + Jeremy Crawford video.
In 2024, the spells are written pretty clearly in this regard: True Strike does not target the caster. "Range: Self" means the point of origin is the caster, and the spell description tells you to make an attack. Nothing says it targets the caster.
(Crawford even did a video discussing this, at length, in 2020. Posted up-thread. The "blade cantrips" did not target the caster then, and were eligible for War Caster then, too.)
Crawford's commentary that is not included in the SAC is not official, and at best hints at RAI, but may reflect his personal bias and not the opinion of the entire design team. His ruling regarding War Caster and Green-flame Blade in that interview is not included in the SAC and is therefore not official.
This has some resemblance (emphasis mine):
Second, neither green-flame blade nor booming blade works with Extra Attack or any other feature that requires the Attack action. Like other spells, these cantrips require the Cast a Spell action, not the Attack action, and they can’t be used to make an opportunity attack, unless a special feature allows you to do so.
Yes, his commentary that I was referring to was on whether they were eligible to be used with the War Caster feat. By his rationale, I think you can cast Eldritch Blast at an opponent as an attack of opportunity with War Caster as long as every beam only targets the one creature. RAW, that's correct, but I don't think that's actually RAI. That's off topic though.
As an aside, True Strike targeting works differently than Green-flame Blade and Booming Blade because those spells make no mention of an effect on the caster. True Strike does. Because of this, either the spell is targeting the caster only or the spell is targeting the caster and the weapon attack target, but either way it invalidates the eligibility for War Caster. I don't think that was their intention though. I guess that's also off topic. :D
In 2024, the spells are written pretty clearly in this regard: True Strike does not target the caster. "Range: Self" means the point of origin is the caster, and the spell description tells you to make an attack. Nothing says it targets the caster.
(Crawford even did a video discussing this, at length, in 2020. Posted up-thread. The "blade cantrips" did not target the caster then, and were eligible for War Caster then, too.)
Crawford's commentary that is not included in the SAC is not official, and at best hints at RAI, but may reflect his personal bias and not the opinion of the entire design team. His ruling regarding War Caster and Green-flame Blade in that interview is not included in the SAC and is therefore not official.
This has some resemblance (emphasis mine):
Second, neither green-flame blade nor booming blade works with Extra Attack or any other feature that requires the Attack action. Like other spells, these cantrips require the Cast a Spell action, not the Attack action, and they can’t be used to make an opportunity attack, unless a special feature allows you to do so.
Yes, his commentary that I was referring to was on whether they were eligible to be used with the War Caster feat. By his rationale, I think you can cast Eldritch Blast at an opponent as an attack of opportunity with War Caster as long as every beam only targets the one creature. RAW, that's correct, but I don't think that's actually RAI. That's off topic though.
As an aside, True Strike targeting works differently than Green-flame Blade and Booming Blade because those spells make no mention of an effect on the caster. True Strike does. Because of this, either the spell is targeting the caster only or the spell is targeting the caster and the weapon attack target, but either way it invalidates the eligibility for War Caster. I don't think that was their intention though. I guess that's also off topic. :D
This point is the only one we see differently, but I won't argue about it. If you were my DM, I would happily play using your interpretation :)
For the purpose of discussions in the Rules & Game Mechanics forum, SAC is considered RAW. That has been true since it was published, and the clarification I have received is that is still considered RAW for 2024 rules discussions.
The opening of the SAC says the only official rulebooks are the 2014 players handbook, dungeon master guide, and monster manual.
SAC itself is saying 2024 rules are not official.
So IF you apply it to 2024 rules, it voids 2024 rules entirely.
For the purpose of discussions in the Rules & Game Mechanics forum, SAC is considered RAW. That has been true since it was published, and the clarification I have received is that is still considered RAW for 2024 rules discussions.
The opening of the SAC says the only official rulebooks are the 2014 players handbook, dungeon master guide, and monster manual.
SAC itself is saying 2024 rules are not official.
So IF you apply it to 2024 rules, it voids 2024 rules entirely.
Seems problematic.
See their first post on the topic. The rulings are RAW for rules that have not been replaced.
For the purpose of discussions in the Rules & Game Mechanics forum, SAC is considered RAW. That has been true since it was published, and the clarification I have received is that is still considered RAW for 2024 rules discussions.
The opening of the SAC says the only official rulebooks are the 2014 players handbook, dungeon master guide, and monster manual.
SAC itself is saying 2024 rules are not official.
So IF you apply it to 2024 rules, it voids 2024 rules entirely.
Seems problematic.
See their first post on the topic. The rulings are RAW for rules that have not been replaced.
This doesn't have anything to do with what I said. The SAC itself says the only official rules are the 2014 rulebooks. If you invoke and apply the SAC to 2024 rules you invalidate the entirety of the 2024 rules right out the gate.
For the purpose of discussions in the Rules & Game Mechanics forum, SAC is considered RAW. That has been true since it was published, and the clarification I have received is that is still considered RAW for 2024 rules discussions.
The opening of the SAC says the only official rulebooks are the 2014 players handbook, dungeon master guide, and monster manual.
SAC itself is saying 2024 rules are not official.
So IF you apply it to 2024 rules, it voids 2024 rules entirely.
Seems problematic.
See their first post on the topic. The rulings are RAW for rules that have not been replaced.
This doesn't have anything to do with what I said. The SAC itself says the only official rules are the 2014 rulebooks. If you invoke and apply the SAC to 2024 rules you invalidate the entirety of the 2024 rules right out the gate.
It also says that Xanathar's and Tasha's don't have official rules. So what?
The original statement was that it's still considered RAW for rules that haven't been replaced. You're playing pedanticism games for no purpose.
We mau often loose sight that rules are nothing more than guidelines and DM ruling can differ or align with print rules, Sage Advice, FAQ, Errata, social medial outlet or any other source from WoTC as much as you want. I don't think any of them dictate how to play but serve more as tools. Forums discussion are also just that.
Unless you're running Organize Play where adjudicating rules is handled a little different, anyone is free to run home game how they want. It's to me SAC's best advice;
Sage Advice Compendium: In a typical D&D session, a DM makes numerous rules decisions—some barely noticeable and others quite obvious. Players also interpret the rules, and the whole group keeps the game running. There are times, though, when the design intent of a rule isn’t clear or when one rule seems to contradict another. Dealing with those situations is where Sage Advice comes in. This column doesn’t replace a DM’s adjudication. Just as the rules do, the column is meant to give DMs, as well as players, tools for tuning the game according to their tastes. The column should also reveal some perspectives that help you see parts of the game in a new light and that aid you in fine-tuning your D&D experience.
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His commentary was more around targets. Not around action types.
I'm probably laughing.
This was his commentary at that moment:
So, True Strike should interact with War Caster, because it's similar to green-flame blade and booming blade in terms of targeting and attack type (a weapon attack, not a spell attack), and the entry in the Sage Advice Compendium is still RAW for 2024 rules: Can you use green-flame blade and booming blade with Extra Attack, opportunity attacks, Sneak Attack, and other weapon attack options?
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I think you are confused with paladin smite spells.
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This is wrong. And it's explained in the quoted text from the SAC:
And my previous post was just how I understand True Strike according to the Range and Effects rules (explained in the first pages of the thread) + SAC + Jeremy Crawford video.
Even so, I get that it's a debatable topic.
Yes, his commentary that I was referring to was on whether they were eligible to be used with the War Caster feat. By his rationale, I think you can cast Eldritch Blast at an opponent as an attack of opportunity with War Caster as long as every beam only targets the one creature. RAW, that's correct, but I don't think that's actually RAI. That's off topic though.
As an aside, True Strike targeting works differently than Green-flame Blade and Booming Blade because those spells make no mention of an effect on the caster. True Strike does. Because of this, either the spell is targeting the caster only or the spell is targeting the caster and the weapon attack target, but either way it invalidates the eligibility for War Caster. I don't think that was their intention though. I guess that's also off topic. :D
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This point is the only one we see differently, but I won't argue about it. If you were my DM, I would happily play using your interpretation :)
The opening of the SAC says the only official rulebooks are the 2014 players handbook, dungeon master guide, and monster manual.
SAC itself is saying 2024 rules are not official.
So IF you apply it to 2024 rules, it voids 2024 rules entirely.
Seems problematic.
I'm probably laughing.
See their first post on the topic. The rulings are RAW for rules that have not been replaced.
How to add Tooltips.
This doesn't have anything to do with what I said. The SAC itself says the only official rules are the 2014 rulebooks. If you invoke and apply the SAC to 2024 rules you invalidate the entirety of the 2024 rules right out the gate.
I'm probably laughing.
It also says that Xanathar's and Tasha's don't have official rules. So what?
The original statement was that it's still considered RAW for rules that haven't been replaced. You're playing pedanticism games for no purpose.
We mau often loose sight that rules are nothing more than guidelines and DM ruling can differ or align with print rules, Sage Advice, FAQ, Errata, social medial outlet or any other source from WoTC as much as you want. I don't think any of them dictate how to play but serve more as tools. Forums discussion are also just that.
Unless you're running Organize Play where adjudicating rules is handled a little different, anyone is free to run home game how they want. It's to me SAC's best advice;