Im a little confused by the purpose of the different spell lists; I assume they will make more sense when classes are revealed;
In the meantime, what are peoples understanding: While playtesting this initial thing how does "Divine Spells" work: "A Divine Spell draws on the power of gods and the Outer Planes. Clerics and Paladins harness this magic. For a partial list of Divine Spells, see the “Spell Lists” section later in this document." From this reading it seems to imply that both cleric and paladin share spell lists they can pull from(Unlike in 5e) This means Wrathful Smite is both a cleric and paladin level one spell.
Is this how other people read it?(Same idea would apply to arcane and primal with the noticeable change that warlocks would have the same options as socr/wiz ect)(And currently no sign of eldritch blast for anyone)
The other possible reading is to not touch classes spell list(when play testing this) and just note that some spells are of specific types This reading of the rules defeats the purpose of including them in the pdf at all as spell type could just be class dependent and not spell dependent;
I read it as another way of classifying spells like spells are classified by school of magic. This means it only comes into effect when a feature refers to a particular spell list.
It may be when the classes come out we find that the cleric spell list is all divine spells but until that is published I would go with the current cleric spell list.
At this point, the lists only interact with the magic initiate feat being playtested. When they release some classes, we’ll know more, but until then, it really only matters for the purposes of testing that feat in the context of making a new playtest character.
I imagine that in future, stuff like the Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight will use the Arcane spell list (instead of Wizard), and that the Divine Soul will use the Divine spell list (instead of Cleric), but until a UA for 1D&D subclasses comes out, that’s just my speculation on the subject.
so basically, it's too early to tell how they will be used, and the lists are only good for choosing the spells for the initiate feats of the partially constructed characters you can't play test until they give us more UA content.
We dont know yet. Jeremy said we would have to wait for the next UA for how classes would use and not use these lists. So for now just use normal spell lists and use these for the new feats and racial features that mention these lists.
When just making sample characters i treated them as their spell list for the time being. Wonder if they will use these as a core for classes, and then have supplementary lists for individual classes where it is warranted.
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This seems like a throw back to earlier versions of D&D where all spells were broadly categorized as either Arcane or Divine. Arcane spells were generally those spells on the Wizard or Sorcerer spell list, and Divine spells were generally those on the Cleric or Paladin list. If a scroll had a spell that was on both lists, it was important to determine if the scroll was Arcane or Divine, because a Wizard couldn't cast a Divine Light spell, and a Cleric couldn't cast an Arcane Light spell. However, it wasn't necessary to determine the actual class that created the scroll. For example, a Wizard could still cast an Arcane Light spell scribed by a Bard. This sometimes lead to confusion for new players, which I suppose is why the distinction was removed for 5E.
This seems like a throw back to earlier versions of D&D where all spells were broadly categorized as either Arcane or Divine. Arcane spells were generally those spells on the Wizard or Sorcerer spell list, and Divine spells were generally those on the Cleric or Paladin list. If a scroll had a spell that was on both lists, it was important to determine if the scroll was Arcane or Divine, because a Wizard couldn't cast a Divine Light spell, and a Cleric couldn't cast an Arcane Light spell. However, it wasn't necessary to determine the actual class that created the scroll. For example, a Wizard could still cast an Arcane Light spell scribed by a Bard. This sometimes lead to confusion for new players, which I suppose is why the distinction was removed for 5E.
Having started with AD&D around 78 and a young age, I never had that issue. But I did hear of issues about modules having spell scrolls PC could not use because they were either by a cleric or wizard, especially if the required caster died and the rest of the group did not have a spare.
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Im a little confused by the purpose of the different spell lists; I assume they will make more sense when classes are revealed;
In the meantime, what are peoples understanding:
While playtesting this initial thing how does "Divine Spells" work:
"A Divine Spell draws on the power of gods and the Outer Planes. Clerics and Paladins harness this magic. For a partial list of Divine Spells, see the “Spell Lists” section later in this document."
From this reading it seems to imply that both cleric and paladin share spell lists they can pull from(Unlike in 5e)
This means Wrathful Smite is both a cleric and paladin level one spell.
Is this how other people read it?(Same idea would apply to arcane and primal with the noticeable change that warlocks would have the same options as socr/wiz ect)(And currently no sign of eldritch blast for anyone)
The other possible reading is to not touch classes spell list(when play testing this) and just note that some spells are of specific types
This reading of the rules defeats the purpose of including them in the pdf at all as spell type could just be class dependent and not spell dependent;
I read it as another way of classifying spells like spells are classified by school of magic. This means it only comes into effect when a feature refers to a particular spell list.
It may be when the classes come out we find that the cleric spell list is all divine spells but until that is published I would go with the current cleric spell list.
At this point, the lists only interact with the magic initiate feat being playtested. When they release some classes, we’ll know more, but until then, it really only matters for the purposes of testing that feat in the context of making a new playtest character.
Thats a fair reading and how I was planning on doing it; thanks for giving input
I imagine that in future, stuff like the Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight will use the Arcane spell list (instead of Wizard), and that the Divine Soul will use the Divine spell list (instead of Cleric), but until a UA for 1D&D subclasses comes out, that’s just my speculation on the subject.
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so basically, it's too early to tell how they will be used, and the lists are only good for choosing the spells for the initiate feats of the partially constructed characters you can't play test until they give us more UA content.
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We dont know yet. Jeremy said we would have to wait for the next UA for how classes would use and not use these lists. So for now just use normal spell lists and use these for the new feats and racial features that mention these lists.
When just making sample characters i treated them as their spell list for the time being. Wonder if they will use these as a core for classes, and then have supplementary lists for individual classes where it is warranted.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
It's most likely for categorization purposes. Remember the bard spell list, that class should have access to all three categories.
This seems like a throw back to earlier versions of D&D where all spells were broadly categorized as either Arcane or Divine. Arcane spells were generally those spells on the Wizard or Sorcerer spell list, and Divine spells were generally those on the Cleric or Paladin list. If a scroll had a spell that was on both lists, it was important to determine if the scroll was Arcane or Divine, because a Wizard couldn't cast a Divine Light spell, and a Cleric couldn't cast an Arcane Light spell. However, it wasn't necessary to determine the actual class that created the scroll. For example, a Wizard could still cast an Arcane Light spell scribed by a Bard. This sometimes lead to confusion for new players, which I suppose is why the distinction was removed for 5E.
Having started with AD&D around 78 and a young age, I never had that issue. But I did hear of issues about modules having spell scrolls PC could not use because they were either by a cleric or wizard, especially if the required caster died and the rest of the group did not have a spare.