I was wanting to start building out my library on dnd beyond but wanted to double check as to whether or not I will have access to One D&D books after they come out. Will they be sold as separate new things? Or will they just update the current ones?
You can never know until they announce it (which they haven't, so we're guessing, albeit with precedent). However, they are different products, so it's likely they'll want the money for them. They've also done something similar in the past - they made Tome of Foes and Guide to Monsters obsolete, but kept them accessible for those who'd already bought them (but no longer for sale). They were replaced by Monsters of the Multiverse, which had to be paid for, regardless of whether you owned MToF or VGtM or not.
I imagine it will be similar with the PHB, MM and DMG too. You'll have to buy the new books, and the old ones will likely come off sale - but you get to keep them if you've already bought them.
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One D&D is probably a year away still, so it might be quite a bit to hold on for. Keep in mind the current discounts. Personally, as a DM, I wouldn’t mind waiting exactly as I’m putting a lot of work into my Campaign (detailed Regional Maps, Interior (Dungeon) Maps, and a solid story for both the Main Quest and a bunch of side adventures). BUT you also miss out on running some solid published adventures that can, at the least, serve as a good introduction for you and the players.
I have the physical copies of some so its really not that big of a deal. I only really want electric copies of the ones meant for content sharing to players anyway and monster stats.
I have the physical copies of some so its really not that big of a deal. I only really want electric copies of the ones meant for content sharing to players anyway and monster stats.
If you want to continue to use the current core rulebooks and share them through Beyond in the future, then I would buy the current core rulebooks on Beyond before the new core rulebooks come out. Based on precedent, once the new core rulebooks comes out, it is better to assume the current core rulebooks might no longer be purchaseable (but the old rulebooks can still be accessed and used if you bought them on Beyond already).
I recommend either taking advantage of the current summer sale AND/OR wait until Thanksgiving/Black Friday/Cyber Monday. If you are tight on money and/or do not mind waiting, Thanksgiving generally has the best sales since the discount applies to bundles as well. If you are tight on money but still need to share the books right now, then you may want to buy just the PHB and MM (I would personally skip MM since the BR/SRD has more than enough monsters in my opinion) right now, and then wait until Thanksgiving to buy the rest of the Player Bundle (contains PHB, XGTE, TCOE, and SCAG; if you purchased anything that was part of a bundle, the price of the bundle will be discounted by how much you paid), MP:MOTM (I hope they add this to the player bundle in the future), or whatever else you need.
Just a further reminder, the DMG does not really offer much (two subclasses and some magic items), but if you want to use it in the future, consider buying it before the new DMG comes out.
I dunno ... they are trying to move us all from buying product to paying subscription. If I pay for Netflix, I don't really expect to pay for each series individually too. Right?
I mean, they are utter, utter villains. But it's really off-theme if the subscription doesn't cover ... like, anything. Subscription literally has to cover everything - or, at least in my case, there's no money to be had. My subscription to Netflix gives me all the stuff, my subsciption to Microsoft gives me all the stuff, my subscription to ... you get the point: I'm not paying for access to the store. I pay subscription to have access to all the products, so long as I pay my subscription.
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Subscriptions here cover unlimited character slots and access to others' homebrew, and Master Tier covers content sharing as well.
Not all subscriptions cover everything, and I do not expect them to. Subscriptions give you only what they say they will give you. It is not different from any other product in my opinion, you got to read instead of assume. I got Prime, but that does not let me watch or read everything without paying further, it just gives access to certain digital content without paying further and I guess better shipping prices. Same thing with YouTube Premium, it cuts out ads, but I still got to pay if I want to watch most things. Spotify's subscription lets me listen to specific songs, listen to playlists in order, and cuts out ads, which is not really worth it to me in since YouTube can do most of that for free, and YouTube Premium cuts out ads and gives more perks. Hell, not even Disney+ subscribers can watch the newly released movies without paying, and they have to wait a while before they can watch it for free. I was subscribed to FEH Pass, but that does not let me use the gacha without paying, it mostly just gives me quality of life improvements. My friend got Costco membership, but he for sure is not walking out the store without paying for his cart.
Not all subscriptions work the same, so I do not think it is realistic to expect them to give you unlimited access to everything. While some do, many do not. To replicate content sharing, if you do not mind clogging up your drop down menus, you can just make a private homebrew copy of all the digital content, and you can share them without having a subscription. You cannot really replicate having unlimited character slots as easily, but you can make multiple accounts. If you want access to everything without paying money, you will have to pay with time instead and manually input everything through private homebrew.
I also do not think Wizards can cut out offering individual products. I guess Wizards can technically offer a subscription and send you a new physical book that are released, kind of like magazine subscriptions, but I think most people rather buy the physical books individually.
I’d agree that it’s unlikely WOTC will ever create a subscription based program that totally replaces buying the published content, though it might not be an impossible idea they’ll embrace after a decade. DDB and VTTs feel like they’ve been very successful and I’m sure Wizards is crossing their fingers they can replicate 3rd party creators’ accomplishments, so a bigger online footprint seems likely. But if that happens it is more than just years away. Also, if they do create a separate subscription tier beyond Master which includes books, I see it as being extremely unlikely they’ll get rid of individual purchases.
Don’t get me wrong, I have my own dislike of WOTC. I’m anxious that they’ll run D&D Beyond into the ground, and many of the changes in One D&D feel so unnecessary that the whole thing looks like some kind of cash grab that could evolve into gateway bullying in continued service plus products. Fingers crossed they make the right choices that help me, the consumer.
Subscriptions here cover unlimited character slots and access to others' homebrew, and Master Tier covers content sharing as well.
Not all subscriptions cover everything, and I do not expect them to. Subscriptions give you only what they say they will give you. It is not different from any other product in my opinion, you got to read instead of assume. I got Prime, but that does not let me watch or read everything without paying further, it just gives access to certain digital content without paying further and I guess better shipping prices. Same thing with YouTube Premium, it cuts out ads, but I still got to pay if I want to watch most things. Spotify's subscription lets me listen to specific songs, listen to playlists in order, and cuts out ads, which is not really worth it to me in since YouTube can do most of that for free, and YouTube Premium cuts out ads and gives more perks. Hell, not even Disney+ subscribers can watch the newly released movies without paying, and they have to wait a while before they can watch it for free. I was subscribed to FEH Pass, but that does not let me use the gacha without paying, it mostly just gives me quality of life improvements. My friend got Costco membership, but he for sure is not walking out the store without paying for his cart.
Not all subscriptions work the same, so I do not think it is realistic to expect them to give you unlimited access to everything. While some do, many do not. To replicate content sharing, if you do not mind clogging up your drop down menus, you can just make a private homebrew copy of all the digital content, and you can share them without having a subscription. You cannot really replicate having unlimited character slots as easily, but you can make multiple accounts. If you want access to everything without paying money, you will have to pay with time instead and manually input everything through private homebrew.
I also do not think Wizards can cut out offering individual products. I guess Wizards can technically offer a subscription and send you a new physical book that are released, kind of like magazine subscriptions, but I think most people rather buy the physical books individually.
Subscriptions here cover unlimited character slots and access to others' homebrew, and Master Tier covers content sharing as well.
I am not a subscriber. I'd never pay for that. Actually, I have to say, it sounds like you're getting precisely nothing of any value what so ever for that subscription.
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Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Subscriptions here cover unlimited character slots and access to others' homebrew, and Master Tier covers content sharing as well.
I am not a subscriber. I'd never pay for that. Actually, I have to say, it sounds like you're getting precisely nothing of any value what so ever for that subscription.
Here are the perks of a Master Tier sub, which I have.
Create unlimited characters - I have 129 PCs. The free version allows 6. Most are theory-crafting but I have played many times the free number and would prefer to not delete characters whenever I enter a new campaign.
Create unlimited encounters - as a person who mostly DMs, and currently DMs for two active campaigns, this is also very necessary.
Add publicly shared homebrew content - I do not publish, so this feature is not useful to me, but if you check the published homebrews, you will see that a great number of people find it to be very much of value to them.
Early access to new tools - I got to use the encounter builder before most and it was a godsend for me.
Monthly subscriber perks - I am all about the vanity items. For me, this is something of value.
Share unlocked content with other players - Yes, as a DM with owned content, this is pretty big.
Maybe you do not see value in any of these things but to me, as a DM or player, $55 or $26 a year is more than worth it.
Also, the pricing for that ($55 yearly) is a pittance against what you get. However, I’d feel more appreciative if they’d kept up with the Encounter Builder and other Tools.
Maybe you do not see value in any of these things but to me, as a DM or player, $55 or $26 a year is more than worth it.
To me? No. No use for any of that - and I wouldn't pay for it.
I can totally see how a less chaotic GM might have greater utility than me. But I have everything in my head (in a sort of jumbled, disorganised bit-box) and live with the consequences. Or, more precisely, force my players to =)
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I was wanting to start building out my library on dnd beyond but wanted to double check as to whether or not I will have access to One D&D books after they come out. Will they be sold as separate new things? Or will they just update the current ones?
They'll be sold as separate books.
95% sure you'll have to buy the 1D&D books.
You can never know until they announce it (which they haven't, so we're guessing, albeit with precedent). However, they are different products, so it's likely they'll want the money for them. They've also done something similar in the past - they made Tome of Foes and Guide to Monsters obsolete, but kept them accessible for those who'd already bought them (but no longer for sale). They were replaced by Monsters of the Multiverse, which had to be paid for, regardless of whether you owned MToF or VGtM or not.
I imagine it will be similar with the PHB, MM and DMG too. You'll have to buy the new books, and the old ones will likely come off sale - but you get to keep them if you've already bought them.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
One D&D is probably a year away still, so it might be quite a bit to hold on for. Keep in mind the current discounts. Personally, as a DM, I wouldn’t mind waiting exactly as I’m putting a lot of work into my Campaign (detailed Regional Maps, Interior (Dungeon) Maps, and a solid story for both the Main Quest and a bunch of side adventures). BUT you also miss out on running some solid published adventures that can, at the least, serve as a good introduction for you and the players.
I would not put it beyond them to make you buy the newer books for the newer rule set.
It's just business.
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I have the physical copies of some so its really not that big of a deal. I only really want electric copies of the ones meant for content sharing to players anyway and monster stats.
Gotcha, thanks that makes sense.
If you want to continue to use the current core rulebooks and share them through Beyond in the future, then I would buy the current core rulebooks on Beyond before the new core rulebooks come out. Based on precedent, once the new core rulebooks comes out, it is better to assume the current core rulebooks might no longer be purchaseable (but the old rulebooks can still be accessed and used if you bought them on Beyond already).
I recommend either taking advantage of the current summer sale AND/OR wait until Thanksgiving/Black Friday/Cyber Monday. If you are tight on money and/or do not mind waiting, Thanksgiving generally has the best sales since the discount applies to bundles as well. If you are tight on money but still need to share the books right now, then you may want to buy just the PHB and MM (I would personally skip MM since the BR/SRD has more than enough monsters in my opinion) right now, and then wait until Thanksgiving to buy the rest of the Player Bundle (contains PHB, XGTE, TCOE, and SCAG; if you purchased anything that was part of a bundle, the price of the bundle will be discounted by how much you paid), MP:MOTM (I hope they add this to the player bundle in the future), or whatever else you need.
Just a further reminder, the DMG does not really offer much (two subclasses and some magic items), but if you want to use it in the future, consider buying it before the new DMG comes out.
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I dunno ... they are trying to move us all from buying product to paying subscription. If I pay for Netflix, I don't really expect to pay for each series individually too. Right?
I mean, they are utter, utter villains. But it's really off-theme if the subscription doesn't cover ... like, anything. Subscription literally has to cover everything - or, at least in my case, there's no money to be had. My subscription to Netflix gives me all the stuff, my subsciption to Microsoft gives me all the stuff, my subscription to ... you get the point: I'm not paying for access to the store. I pay subscription to have access to all the products, so long as I pay my subscription.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Subscriptions here cover unlimited character slots and access to others' homebrew, and Master Tier covers content sharing as well.
Not all subscriptions cover everything, and I do not expect them to. Subscriptions give you only what they say they will give you. It is not different from any other product in my opinion, you got to read instead of assume. I got Prime, but that does not let me watch or read everything without paying further, it just gives access to certain digital content without paying further and I guess better shipping prices. Same thing with YouTube Premium, it cuts out ads, but I still got to pay if I want to watch most things. Spotify's subscription lets me listen to specific songs, listen to playlists in order, and cuts out ads, which is not really worth it to me in since YouTube can do most of that for free, and YouTube Premium cuts out ads and gives more perks. Hell, not even Disney+ subscribers can watch the newly released movies without paying, and they have to wait a while before they can watch it for free. I was subscribed to FEH Pass, but that does not let me use the gacha without paying, it mostly just gives me quality of life improvements. My friend got Costco membership, but he for sure is not walking out the store without paying for his cart.
Not all subscriptions work the same, so I do not think it is realistic to expect them to give you unlimited access to everything. While some do, many do not. To replicate content sharing, if you do not mind clogging up your drop down menus, you can just make a private homebrew copy of all the digital content, and you can share them without having a subscription. You cannot really replicate having unlimited character slots as easily, but you can make multiple accounts. If you want access to everything without paying money, you will have to pay with time instead and manually input everything through private homebrew.
I also do not think Wizards can cut out offering individual products. I guess Wizards can technically offer a subscription and send you a new physical book that are released, kind of like magazine subscriptions, but I think most people rather buy the physical books individually.
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I’d agree that it’s unlikely WOTC will ever create a subscription based program that totally replaces buying the published content, though it might not be an impossible idea they’ll embrace after a decade. DDB and VTTs feel like they’ve been very successful and I’m sure Wizards is crossing their fingers they can replicate 3rd party creators’ accomplishments, so a bigger online footprint seems likely. But if that happens it is more than just years away. Also, if they do create a separate subscription tier beyond Master which includes books, I see it as being extremely unlikely they’ll get rid of individual purchases.
Don’t get me wrong, I have my own dislike of WOTC. I’m anxious that they’ll run D&D Beyond into the ground, and many of the changes in One D&D feel so unnecessary that the whole thing looks like some kind of cash grab that could evolve into gateway bullying in continued service plus products. Fingers crossed they make the right choices that help me, the consumer.
Well said.
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I am not a subscriber. I'd never pay for that. Actually, I have to say, it sounds like you're getting precisely nothing of any value what so ever for that subscription.
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Here are the perks of a Master Tier sub, which I have.
Maybe you do not see value in any of these things but to me, as a DM or player, $55 or $26 a year is more than worth it.
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Also, the pricing for that ($55 yearly) is a pittance against what you get. However, I’d feel more appreciative if they’d kept up with the Encounter Builder and other Tools.
To me? No. No use for any of that - and I wouldn't pay for it.
I can totally see how a less chaotic GM might have greater utility than me. But I have everything in my head (in a sort of jumbled, disorganised bit-box) and live with the consequences. Or, more precisely, force my players to =)
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