These things are not the same thing as a bug tracker. Android store, Steam, Apple App Store, DMGuild, Amazon, and basically everywhere else you buy digital content have bug trackers in different places than reviews, changelogs, patch notes, etc.
Ok so what does DnD Beyond offer on the storefront to address issues with the book as is? Nothing.
Sure you can go to the support forum and search for the book and then see if bugs exist but why make it that difficult?
I guess I don't see the point of NOT mentioning it? Like its a bug but its also a fairly large one in terms of the work they had to do to change it. I am not sure why they would need to bury it in the forums.
ALSO the last time that post was updated was December 2019. Has any changes been made to the content since then? Its very unclear.
Bug trackers aren't on store fronts. Nobody puts them there.
I personally don't find clicking on the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on literally every page difficult. It's not buried in the forums. Its a pinned post in the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on every page.
I get that you are frustrated. I just don't understand why you are so angry when this is a relatively minor bug with a workaround. They have communicated that they are fixing it. They communicate more than most companies that sell software do. Do I wish it was fixed? Yes. Do I find it worth being angry about? No.
Bug trackers aren't on store fronts. Nobody puts them there.
I personally don't find clicking on the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on literally every page difficult. It's not buried in the forums. Its a pinned post in the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on every page.
I get that you are frustrated. I just don't understand why you are so angry when this is a relatively minor bug with a workaround. They have communicated that they are fixing it. They communicate more than most companies that sell software do. Do I wish it was fixed? Yes. Do I find it worth being angry about? No.
You are fine with the status quo that is up to you.
I prefer to expect better in the products I invest significant money into.
I don't see the value in putting bug trackers in the store front. Bug trackers should be publicly viewable and it should be easy to add bugs, and they are doing that.
I have bought everything DnDBeyond has (minus the Rick and Morty crap). They are meeting my expectations.
Bug trackers aren't on store fronts. Nobody puts them there.
I personally don't find clicking on the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on literally every page difficult. It's not buried in the forums. Its a pinned post in the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on every page.
I get that you are frustrated. I just don't understand why you are so angry when this is a relatively minor bug with a workaround. They have communicated that they are fixing it. They communicate more than most companies that sell software do. Do I wish it was fixed? Yes. Do I find it worth being angry about? No.
You are fine with the status quo that is up to you.
I prefer to expect better in the products I invest significant money into.
Ask the devs to in the future to list anything not built into their character builder. Post this on the vote for features thread, or something like that. I do not believe that you would've not built the book if you had known that the character builder was not currently in support of those features. This would be ridiculous. It is inconvenient, and most likely should've been specified in the market place. If you feel that you were significantly wronged in this, ask for them to make warnings in the market place if anything like this happens in the future.
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I don't see the value in putting bug trackers in the store front. Bug trackers should be publicly viewable and it should be easy to add bugs, and they are doing that.
I have bought everything DnDBeyond has (minus the Rick and Morty crap). They are meeting my expectations.
Then agree to disagree. I express my content as well as my discontent. It's silly to not share both.
Bug trackers aren't on store fronts. Nobody puts them there.
I personally don't find clicking on the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on literally every page difficult. It's not buried in the forums. Its a pinned post in the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on every page.
I get that you are frustrated. I just don't understand why you are so angry when this is a relatively minor bug with a workaround. They have communicated that they are fixing it. They communicate more than most companies that sell software do. Do I wish it was fixed? Yes. Do I find it worth being angry about? No.
You are fine with the status quo that is up to you.
I prefer to expect better in the products I invest significant money into.
Ask the devs to in the future to list anything not built into their character builder. Post this on the vote for features thread, or something like that. I do not believe that you would've not built the book if you had known that the character builder was not currently in support of those features. This would be ridiculous. It is inconvenient, and most likely should've been specified in the market place. If you feel that you were significantly wronged in this, ask for them to make warnings in the market place if anything like this happens in the future.
I have. And it's up to you what to think but I know what my own thought process is lol.
Bug trackers aren't on store fronts. Nobody puts them there.
I personally don't find clicking on the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on literally every page difficult. It's not buried in the forums. Its a pinned post in the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on every page.
I get that you are frustrated. I just don't understand why you are so angry when this is a relatively minor bug with a workaround. They have communicated that they are fixing it. They communicate more than most companies that sell software do. Do I wish it was fixed? Yes. Do I find it worth being angry about? No.
You are fine with the status quo that is up to you.
I prefer to expect better in the products I invest significant money into.
Ask the devs to in the future to list anything not built into their character builder. Post this on the vote for features thread, or something like that. I do not believe that you would've not built the book if you had known that the character builder was not currently in support of those features. This would be ridiculous. It is inconvenient, and most likely should've been specified in the market place. If you feel that you were significantly wronged in this, ask for them to make warnings in the market place if anything like this happens in the future.
I have. And it's up to you what to think but I know what my own thought process is lol.
If you have, what are you still complaining about, then? You're complaining that they didn't do this before, and if you requested this to change in the future, is there any point in whining about it? If you bought the whole book for 30 dollars just so you could include Dragonmarked spell lists in your character build, then that is a reasonable complaint to a bad decision. If you bought the book and then discovered it wasn't supported by the character builder, that's a minor inconvenience they have said they are working on.
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I don't see the value in putting bug trackers in the store front. Bug trackers should be publicly viewable and it should be easy to add bugs, and they are doing that.
I have bought everything DnDBeyond has (minus the Rick and Morty crap). They are meeting my expectations.
Then agree to disagree. I express my content as well as my discontent. It's silly to not share both.
I never said that you can't complain. You can complain. One of the main uses of the internet it seems is complaining.
I am just saying that I don't understand why you are so upset. While I would like them to fix the issue (and they are fixing it), I don't feel wronged. Bugs happen.
Optimus. I get it. You're feeling burned and lied to that Spells of the Mark doesn't function properly and it takes janky homebrew ****abouts to get them to work. That's important to you, it feels like you were denied a product you were sold and paid for. That is fair. You are absolutely entitled to that position. Please be aware that you're having this argument about how the CFV UA is worthless and should not be worked on at all until Spells of the Mark is fully implemented in the Unearthed Arcana forum, in a thread I started to educate people who were - and are - jonesing real dang bad over CFVs about why they weren't in yet.
This is the exact opposite of Preaching To The Choir. You are going to find the audience most hostile to your viewpoint here. This is not where you will find people totally okay with hearing that UA is useless and should not ever be more than a bottom-barrel, "if our code guys have a spare hour or two at the end of the day" priority.
Spells of the Mark probably should take priority, for the reasons you've mentioned. I can't imagine it's not being worked on; being able to add spells to spell lists from sources outside one's class was one of the big reasons for the whole Character Sheet Redo in the first place. They need it for SotM, they need it for the godawful Guild Member backgrounds in Ravnica, I'm reasonably sure they'll need it for Theros. It will be done.
But DDB has been under heavy pressure from a significant chunk of the community to get CFVs done as well, for just as long as Eberron has been out. We know by now that this is not just a passing fancy - Wizards is going forward with Class Feature Variants of some sort. We know this because DDB has told us that they were in communication with Wizards to find out how much godawful editing work they needed to do to their tools to make way for this. The question DDB asked was "do we need to work on this? Is this something you're for-sure doing? Or is this the UA we tell people you guys are dropping and thus we don't spend thousands of man-hours reworking our entire system to accomodate a dead document?"
The answer we the players got is that DDB is executing on the CFV UA, seven months since its introduction and as part of an effort to rebuild their entire system to more easily accommodate weird janky shit like this. So while Spells of the Mark are out there for sale now and should indeed be fixed, please don't believe that this UA is as dead, useless, and unimportant as all that.
CFVs may well be the first real step we've seen for a D&D 5.5e, a book for people who want more than the flayed skeleton of a game system that is 5e and are hoping for more meat on them bones. Please let us have ours, here in our forum and our threads devoted to the thing we're really looking forward to. Drop a link to a thread in Feedback or GD about the thing you're looking forward to, and maybe folks'll show up there and rally some extra support for you?
Optimus. I get it. You're feeling burned and lied to that Spells of the Mark doesn't function properly and it takes janky homebrew ****abouts to get them to work. That's important to you, it feels like you were denied a product you were sold and paid for. That is fair. You are absolutely entitled to that position. Please be aware that you're having this argument about how the CFV UA is worthless and should not be worked on at all until Spells of the Mark is fully implemented in the Unearthed Arcana forum, in a thread I started to educate people who were - and are - jonesing real dang bad over CFVs about why they weren't in yet.
This is the exact opposite of Preaching To The Choir. You are going to find the audience most hostile to your viewpoint here. This is not where you will find people totally okay with hearing that UA is useless and should not ever be more than a bottom-barrel, "if our code guys have a spare hour or two at the end of the day" priority.
Spells of the Mark probably should take priority, for the reasons you've mentioned. I can't imagine it's not being worked on; being able to add spells to spell lists from sources outside one's class was one of the big reasons for the whole Character Sheet Redo in the first place. They need it for SotM, they need it for the godawful Guild Member backgrounds in Ravnica, I'm reasonably sure they'll need it for Theros. It will be done.
But DDB has been under heavy pressure from a significant chunk of the community to get CFVs done as well, for just as long as Eberron has been out. We know by now that this is not just a passing fancy - Wizards is going forward with Class Feature Variants of some sort. We know this because DDB has told us that they were in communication with Wizards to find out how much godawful editing work they needed to do to their tools to make way for this. The question DDB asked was "do we need to work on this? Is this something you're for-sure doing? Or is this the UA we tell people you guys are dropping and thus we don't spend thousands of man-hours reworking our entire system to accomodate a dead document?"
The answer we the players got is that DDB is executing on the CFV UA, seven months since its introduction and as part of an effort to rebuild their entire system to more easily accommodate weird janky shit like this. So while Spells of the Mark are out there for sale now and should indeed be fixed, please don't believe that this UA is as dead, useless, and unimportant as all that.
CFVs may well be the first real step we've seen for a D&D 5.5e, a book for people who want more than the flayed skeleton of a game system that is 5e and are hoping for more meat on them bones. Please let us have ours, here in our forum and our threads devoted to the thing we're really looking forward to. Drop a link to a thread in Feedback or GD about the thing you're looking forward to, and maybe folks'll show up there and rally some extra support for you?
These things are not the same thing as a bug tracker. Android store, Steam, Apple App Store, DMGuild, Amazon, and basically everywhere else you buy digital content have bug trackers in different places than reviews, changelogs, patch notes, etc.
Ok so what does DnD Beyond offer on the storefront to address issues with the book as is? Nothing.
Sure you can go to the support forum and search for the book and then see if bugs exist but why make it that difficult?
I guess I don't see the point of NOT mentioning it? Like its a bug but its also a fairly large one in terms of the work they had to do to change it. I am not sure why they would need to bury it in the forums.
ALSO the last time that post was updated was December 2019. Has any changes been made to the content since then? Its very unclear.
The whole issue stems from the fact that the old user interface (character sheet) was not programmed to accept info like that from sources other that Class/Subclass. When Ravnica came out with its backgrounds they shoehorned it in and said to themselves “we can’t keep shoehorning stuff in like this” so they started an almost yearlong project to build an entirely new user interface from almost the ground up (they could keep most of the cosmetics I understand). That’s why there have been so many glitches lately, they implemented the new interface and still have some wrinkles to iron out.
They already had other teams all over the world coding the dice roller and the combat tracker so that kept going no problemo. But the folks who make the books go we’re wearing multiple hats to keep up with that, and rewrite the core functionality of the system.
Now that the user interface is mostly working, they have to redesign the whole other half of the system to push things through to the new interface properly. That’s why things have been a little slower lately. Or have you not noticed how many complaints there are that new purchases and collection additions are taking so long to hit the character builder? Things are still set up to push to the old interface and have to be redirected to the current one.
On top of that, there is a backlog of other stuff besides SotM that also don’t work correctly. Or haven’t you seen all of the forum complaints like:
“it’s been X years and Y still can’t/doesn’t work right...
Artificer infusions don’t sync with number of infusions.
Rage, Blessed Healer, Potent Spellcasting, etc. don’t apply their bonuses. At all. Ever. Since the PHB came out.
The list goes on.
Those are all on the same “to do list” with your SotM.
On top of all of that, did you know that the homebrew generator we use is more-or-less the same system that the DDB Devs use? That has to be redesigned from the ground up too. Because that needs to happen before any of those other fixes, and before the CFVs. But everybody’s homebrew is all mixed up in the old system. So if they do that poorly, everyone will loose their homebrews. And then they will loose their bananas. No bueno.
Basically, it’s a monumental task and instead of being angry at them for taking their time, we should be grateful to them for getting it done so quickly.
Spells of the Mark are almost definitely being worked on, but other stuff has taken priority. Class Feature Variants UA might be coming in a future book (Xanathar's 2.0?) and is definitely more difficult to put on this website. It could've taken priority because it's a more major issue than SotM. It is inconvenient that you have to do workarounds with feats or magic items to allow them in the character builder, but Class Feature Variants cannot be done this way. It's more complicated, will probably take more time, and has been put a higher priority by DnD Beyond. I am sure that they will get around to finishing Spells of the Mark, but it will probably take awhile.
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These things are not the same thing as a bug tracker. Android store, Steam, Apple App Store, DMGuild, Amazon, and basically everywhere else you buy digital content have bug trackers in different places than reviews, changelogs, patch notes, etc.
Ok so what does DnD Beyond offer on the storefront to address issues with the book as is? Nothing.
Sure you can go to the support forum and search for the book and then see if bugs exist but why make it that difficult?
I guess I don't see the point of NOT mentioning it? Like its a bug but its also a fairly large one in terms of the work they had to do to change it. I am not sure why they would need to bury it in the forums.
ALSO the last time that post was updated was December 2019. Has any changes been made to the content since then? Its very unclear.
The whole issue stems from the fact that the old user interface (character sheet) was not programmed to accept info like that from sources other that Class/Subclass. When Ravnica came out with its backgrounds they shoehorned it in and said to themselves “we can’t keep shoehorning stuff in like this” so they started an almost yearlong project to build an entirely new user interface from almost the ground up (they could keep most of the cosmetics I understand). That’s why there have been so many glitches lately, they implemented the new interface and still have some wrinkles to iron out.
They already had other teams all over the world coding the dice roller and the combat tracker so that kept going no problemo. But the folks who make the books go we’re wearing multiple hats to keep up with that, and rewrite the core functionality of the system.
Now that the user interface is mostly working, they have to redesign the whole other half of the system to push things through to the new interface properly. That’s why things have been a little slower lately. Or have you not noticed how many complaints there are that new purchases and collection additions are taking so long to hit the character builder? Things are still set up to push to the old interface and have to be redirected to the current one.
On top of that, there is a backlog of other stuff besides SotM that also don’t work correctly. Or haven’t you seen all of the forum complaints like:
“it’s been X years and Y still can’t/doesn’t work right...
Artificer infusions don’t sync with number of infusions.
Rage, Blessed Healer, Potent Spellcasting, etc. don’t apply their bonuses. At all. Ever. Since the PHB came out.
The list goes on.
Those are all on the same “to do list” with your SotM.
On top of all of that, did you know that the homebrew generator we use is more-or-less the same system that the DDB Devs use? That has to be redesigned from the ground up too. Because that needs to happen before any of those other fixes, and before the CFVs. But everybody’s homebrew is all mixed up in the old system. So if they do that poorly, everyone will loose their homebrews. And then they will loose their bananas. No bueno.
Basically, it’s a monumental task and instead of being angry at them for taking their time, we should be grateful to them for getting it done so quickly.
However long you think it takes to code something, double it and that's how long it will take to get that code into production. And that's if you are a professional software developer. If you aren't a professional software developer, it can be hard to understand the amount of time it takes to do a massive logical overhaul on the underlying structure of your entire codebase.
So yes, quickly. I'm eager for CFV and have been since the UA has been announced, but in the meantime I'll use pencil and paper and homebrew while I wait.
These things are not the same thing as a bug tracker. Android store, Steam, Apple App Store, DMGuild, Amazon, and basically everywhere else you buy digital content have bug trackers in different places than reviews, changelogs, patch notes, etc.
Ok so what does DnD Beyond offer on the storefront to address issues with the book as is? Nothing.
Sure you can go to the support forum and search for the book and then see if bugs exist but why make it that difficult?
I guess I don't see the point of NOT mentioning it? Like its a bug but its also a fairly large one in terms of the work they had to do to change it. I am not sure why they would need to bury it in the forums.
ALSO the last time that post was updated was December 2019. Has any changes been made to the content since then? Its very unclear.
The whole issue stems from the fact that the old user interface (character sheet) was not programmed to accept info like that from sources other that Class/Subclass. When Ravnica came out with its backgrounds they shoehorned it in and said to themselves “we can’t keep shoehorning stuff in like this” so they started an almost yearlong project to build an entirely new user interface from almost the ground up (they could keep most of the cosmetics I understand). That’s why there have been so many glitches lately, they implemented the new interface and still have some wrinkles to iron out.
They already had other teams all over the world coding the dice roller and the combat tracker so that kept going no problemo. But the folks who make the books go we’re wearing multiple hats to keep up with that, and rewrite the core functionality of the system.
Now that the user interface is mostly working, they have to redesign the whole other half of the system to push things through to the new interface properly. That’s why things have been a little slower lately. Or have you not noticed how many complaints there are that new purchases and collection additions are taking so long to hit the character builder? Things are still set up to push to the old interface and have to be redirected to the current one.
On top of that, there is a backlog of other stuff besides SotM that also don’t work correctly. Or haven’t you seen all of the forum complaints like:
“it’s been X years and Y still can’t/doesn’t work right...
Artificer infusions don’t sync with number of infusions.
Rage, Blessed Healer, Potent Spellcasting, etc. don’t apply their bonuses. At all. Ever. Since the PHB came out.
The list goes on.
Those are all on the same “to do list” with your SotM.
On top of all of that, did you know that the homebrew generator we use is more-or-less the same system that the DDB Devs use? That has to be redesigned from the ground up too. Because that needs to happen before any of those other fixes, and before the CFVs. But everybody’s homebrew is all mixed up in the old system. So if they do that poorly, everyone will loose their homebrews. And then they will loose their bananas. No bueno.
Basically, it’s a monumental task and instead of being angry at them for taking their time, we should be grateful to them for getting it done so quickly.
"Quickly" lol
Yes. Have you ever done any programming? Even “relatively” simple programs can take months. A system as complex as DDB’s.... They redid the Character Sheet Framework in under 10 months. Frankly that’s astounding.
These things are not the same thing as a bug tracker. Android store, Steam, Apple App Store, DMGuild, Amazon, and basically everywhere else you buy digital content have bug trackers in different places than reviews, changelogs, patch notes, etc.
Ok so what does DnD Beyond offer on the storefront to address issues with the book as is? Nothing.
Sure you can go to the support forum and search for the book and then see if bugs exist but why make it that difficult?
I guess I don't see the point of NOT mentioning it? Like its a bug but its also a fairly large one in terms of the work they had to do to change it. I am not sure why they would need to bury it in the forums.
ALSO the last time that post was updated was December 2019. Has any changes been made to the content since then? Its very unclear.
The whole issue stems from the fact that the old user interface (character sheet) was not programmed to accept info like that from sources other that Class/Subclass. When Ravnica came out with its backgrounds they shoehorned it in and said to themselves “we can’t keep shoehorning stuff in like this” so they started an almost yearlong project to build an entirely new user interface from almost the ground up (they could keep most of the cosmetics I understand). That’s why there have been so many glitches lately, they implemented the new interface and still have some wrinkles to iron out.
They already had other teams all over the world coding the dice roller and the combat tracker so that kept going no problemo. But the folks who make the books go we’re wearing multiple hats to keep up with that, and rewrite the core functionality of the system.
Now that the user interface is mostly working, they have to redesign the whole other half of the system to push things through to the new interface properly. That’s why things have been a little slower lately. Or have you not noticed how many complaints there are that new purchases and collection additions are taking so long to hit the character builder? Things are still set up to push to the old interface and have to be redirected to the current one.
On top of that, there is a backlog of other stuff besides SotM that also don’t work correctly. Or haven’t you seen all of the forum complaints like:
“it’s been X years and Y still can’t/doesn’t work right...
Artificer infusions don’t sync with number of infusions.
Rage, Blessed Healer, Potent Spellcasting, etc. don’t apply their bonuses. At all. Ever. Since the PHB came out.
The list goes on.
Those are all on the same “to do list” with your SotM.
On top of all of that, did you know that the homebrew generator we use is more-or-less the same system that the DDB Devs use? That has to be redesigned from the ground up too. Because that needs to happen before any of those other fixes, and before the CFVs. But everybody’s homebrew is all mixed up in the old system. So if they do that poorly, everyone will loose their homebrews. And then they will loose their bananas. No bueno.
Basically, it’s a monumental task and instead of being angry at them for taking their time, we should be grateful to them for getting it done so quickly.
"Quickly" lol
Yes. Have you ever done any programming? Even “relatively” simple programs can take months. A system as complex as DDB’s.... They redid the Character Sheet Framework in under 10 months. Frankly that’s astounding.
Please stop doing this with no explanation. If you think it's easy to program, do it on your own. If you say stuff like this with no context as to what you're talking abut, it's easy to misinterpret it.
It's hard to program, takes time, and they have to prioritize certain content over others, which causes delays to other bugs.
Frankly, this is off topic, and if you want to continue this conversation, I recommend making another thread complaining about this. Otherwise, just stop posting off topic posts here. The original poster, Yurei, has requested this.
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Do you have the professional software development experience that helps you determine that they should have been able to rebuild some core pieces in under 10 months?
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Ok so what does DnD Beyond offer on the storefront to address issues with the book as is? Nothing.
Sure you can go to the support forum and search for the book and then see if bugs exist but why make it that difficult?
I guess I don't see the point of NOT mentioning it? Like its a bug but its also a fairly large one in terms of the work they had to do to change it. I am not sure why they would need to bury it in the forums.
ALSO the last time that post was updated was December 2019. Has any changes been made to the content since then? Its very unclear.
Bug trackers aren't on store fronts. Nobody puts them there.
I personally don't find clicking on the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on literally every page difficult. It's not buried in the forums. Its a pinned post in the SUPPORT FORUM link that is on every page.
I get that you are frustrated. I just don't understand why you are so angry when this is a relatively minor bug with a workaround. They have communicated that they are fixing it. They communicate more than most companies that sell software do. Do I wish it was fixed? Yes. Do I find it worth being angry about? No.
You are fine with the status quo that is up to you.
I prefer to expect better in the products I invest significant money into.
I don't see the value in putting bug trackers in the store front. Bug trackers should be publicly viewable and it should be easy to add bugs, and they are doing that.
I have bought everything DnDBeyond has (minus the Rick and Morty crap). They are meeting my expectations.
Ask the devs to in the future to list anything not built into their character builder. Post this on the vote for features thread, or something like that. I do not believe that you would've not built the book if you had known that the character builder was not currently in support of those features. This would be ridiculous. It is inconvenient, and most likely should've been specified in the market place. If you feel that you were significantly wronged in this, ask for them to make warnings in the market place if anything like this happens in the future.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
Then agree to disagree. I express my content as well as my discontent. It's silly to not share both.
I have. And it's up to you what to think but I know what my own thought process is lol.
If you have, what are you still complaining about, then? You're complaining that they didn't do this before, and if you requested this to change in the future, is there any point in whining about it? If you bought the whole book for 30 dollars just so you could include Dragonmarked spell lists in your character build, then that is a reasonable complaint to a bad decision. If you bought the book and then discovered it wasn't supported by the character builder, that's a minor inconvenience they have said they are working on.
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I never said that you can't complain. You can complain. One of the main uses of the internet it seems is complaining.
I am just saying that I don't understand why you are so upset. While I would like them to fix the issue (and they are fixing it), I don't feel wronged. Bugs happen.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, OKAY.
Everybody. Settle your jimmies.
Optimus. I get it. You're feeling burned and lied to that Spells of the Mark doesn't function properly and it takes janky homebrew ****abouts to get them to work. That's important to you, it feels like you were denied a product you were sold and paid for. That is fair. You are absolutely entitled to that position. Please be aware that you're having this argument about how the CFV UA is worthless and should not be worked on at all until Spells of the Mark is fully implemented in the Unearthed Arcana forum, in a thread I started to educate people who were - and are - jonesing real dang bad over CFVs about why they weren't in yet.
This is the exact opposite of Preaching To The Choir. You are going to find the audience most hostile to your viewpoint here. This is not where you will find people totally okay with hearing that UA is useless and should not ever be more than a bottom-barrel, "if our code guys have a spare hour or two at the end of the day" priority.
Spells of the Mark probably should take priority, for the reasons you've mentioned. I can't imagine it's not being worked on; being able to add spells to spell lists from sources outside one's class was one of the big reasons for the whole Character Sheet Redo in the first place. They need it for SotM, they need it for the godawful Guild Member backgrounds in Ravnica, I'm reasonably sure they'll need it for Theros. It will be done.
But DDB has been under heavy pressure from a significant chunk of the community to get CFVs done as well, for just as long as Eberron has been out. We know by now that this is not just a passing fancy - Wizards is going forward with Class Feature Variants of some sort. We know this because DDB has told us that they were in communication with Wizards to find out how much godawful editing work they needed to do to their tools to make way for this. The question DDB asked was "do we need to work on this? Is this something you're for-sure doing? Or is this the UA we tell people you guys are dropping and thus we don't spend thousands of man-hours reworking our entire system to accomodate a dead document?"
The answer we the players got is that DDB is executing on the CFV UA, seven months since its introduction and as part of an effort to rebuild their entire system to more easily accommodate weird janky shit like this. So while Spells of the Mark are out there for sale now and should indeed be fixed, please don't believe that this UA is as dead, useless, and unimportant as all that.
CFVs may well be the first real step we've seen for a D&D 5.5e, a book for people who want more than the flayed skeleton of a game system that is 5e and are hoping for more meat on them bones. Please let us have ours, here in our forum and our threads devoted to the thing we're really looking forward to. Drop a link to a thread in Feedback or GD about the thing you're looking forward to, and maybe folks'll show up there and rally some extra support for you?
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Fair enough. Well stated.
The whole issue stems from the fact that the old user interface (character sheet) was not programmed to accept info like that from sources other that Class/Subclass. When Ravnica came out with its backgrounds they shoehorned it in and said to themselves “we can’t keep shoehorning stuff in like this” so they started an almost yearlong project to build an entirely new user interface from almost the ground up (they could keep most of the cosmetics I understand). That’s why there have been so many glitches lately, they implemented the new interface and still have some wrinkles to iron out.
They already had other teams all over the world coding the dice roller and the combat tracker so that kept going no problemo. But the folks who make the books go we’re wearing multiple hats to keep up with that, and rewrite the core functionality of the system.
Now that the user interface is mostly working, they have to redesign the whole other half of the system to push things through to the new interface properly. That’s why things have been a little slower lately. Or have you not noticed how many complaints there are that new purchases and collection additions are taking so long to hit the character builder? Things are still set up to push to the old interface and have to be redirected to the current one.
On top of that, there is a backlog of other stuff besides SotM that also don’t work correctly. Or haven’t you seen all of the forum complaints like:
“it’s been X years and Y still can’t/doesn’t work right...
Those are all on the same “to do list” with your SotM.
On top of all of that, did you know that the homebrew generator we use is more-or-less the same system that the DDB Devs use? That has to be redesigned from the ground up too. Because that needs to happen before any of those other fixes, and before the CFVs. But everybody’s homebrew is all mixed up in the old system. So if they do that poorly, everyone will loose their homebrews. And then they will loose their bananas. No bueno.
Basically, it’s a monumental task and instead of being angry at them for taking their time, we should be grateful to them for getting it done so quickly.
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Spells of the Mark are almost definitely being worked on, but other stuff has taken priority. Class Feature Variants UA might be coming in a future book (Xanathar's 2.0?) and is definitely more difficult to put on this website. It could've taken priority because it's a more major issue than SotM. It is inconvenient that you have to do workarounds with feats or magic items to allow them in the character builder, but Class Feature Variants cannot be done this way. It's more complicated, will probably take more time, and has been put a higher priority by DnD Beyond. I am sure that they will get around to finishing Spells of the Mark, but it will probably take awhile.
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"Quickly" lol
GENTLEMEN.
I believed I asked for panties to be unwadded. Jimmies to be settled. Feathers to be unrustled.
Fascinated as I am watching four pages of thread derailment spring up in a couple of hours, mayhaps this should move somewhere else?
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However long you think it takes to code something, double it and that's how long it will take to get that code into production. And that's if you are a professional software developer. If you aren't a professional software developer, it can be hard to understand the amount of time it takes to do a massive logical overhaul on the underlying structure of your entire codebase.
So yes, quickly. I'm eager for CFV and have been since the UA has been announced, but in the meantime I'll use pencil and paper and homebrew while I wait.
Yes. Have you ever done any programming? Even “relatively” simple programs can take months. A system as complex as DDB’s.... They redid the Character Sheet Framework in under 10 months. Frankly that’s astounding.
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Agree to disagree.
Please stop doing this with no explanation. If you think it's easy to program, do it on your own. If you say stuff like this with no context as to what you're talking abut, it's easy to misinterpret it.
It's hard to program, takes time, and they have to prioritize certain content over others, which causes delays to other bugs.
Frankly, this is off topic, and if you want to continue this conversation, I recommend making another thread complaining about this. Otherwise, just stop posting off topic posts here. The original poster, Yurei, has requested this.
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Do you have the professional software development experience that helps you determine that they should have been able to rebuild some core pieces in under 10 months?