"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as .much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
to get to the point where gravity switches, you have to go past the core, which is... yeah, the freaking CORE OF THE PLANET. A nice and toasty 1000d6 extra fire damage aint gonna hurt too bad at that point.
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
We were surrounded by a group of NPC human guards who falsely accused us from a robbery. We succesfully ran like the wind to the city walls. At the outside of the city there was a road junction. The road facing to the west leaded to a bridge ( with a huge river ). The road facing to the North, leaded to the praerie. Then I quickly said, Hey, let's jump over the bridge !! What can we loose ???
xD (( the river was huge, right, and ALSO DRY .... hehehehehe
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
We were surrounded by a group of NPC human guards who falsely accused us from a robbery. We succesfully ran like the wind to the city walls. At the outside of the city there was a road junction. The road facing to the west leaded to a bridge ( with a huge river ). The road facing to the North, leaded to the praerie. Then I quickly said, Hey, let's jump over the bridge !! What can we loose ???
xD (( the river was huge, right, and ALSO DRY .... hehehehehe
This sounds like something straight outta looney toons
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive without air for?”
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive for?”
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive for?”
I meant without air
Either way not long.
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"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive for?”
I meant without air
Either way not long.
How do you have a -5? What sort of curse has befallen you?
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive for?”
I meant without air
Either way not long.
How do you have a -5? What sort of curse has befallen you?
DM : As you all enter this village, you can see there is light in the nearest INN you can spot from this distance. WE : Ok, let's go in that INN.
(( DM rolled some sneaky dices there )) <---- he didn't advised us there was a fighting inside the INN, which noone of us couldn't see YET........... ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
We were just near the door, when the DM asked us: Guys, roll a DEX saving throw WITH DISADVANTAGE, BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU ALL SAW THE FIGHT NORE THE INCOMING TABLE BEING THROWN BY THE WINDOW OVER THE GROUP.........................
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive for?”
I meant without air
Either way not long.
How do you have a -5? What sort of curse has befallen you?
DM : As you all enter this village, you can see there is light in the nearest INN you can spot from this distance. WE : Ok, let's go in that INN.
(( DM rolled some sneaky dices there )) <---- he didn't advised us there was a fighting inside the INN, which noone of us couldn't see YET........... ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
We were just near the door, when the DM asked us: Guys, roll a DEX saving throw WITH DISADVANTAGE, BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU ALL SAW THE FIGHT NORE THE INCOMING TABLE BEING THROWN BY THE WINDOW OVER THE GROUP.........................
Thnxs DM, for tpk us. Just.... thnxs....
COnscore 1 gives -5 mod. Rollled 3 on stats and had An ability scoreboard decrease
"HAHA I have 23 AC, nothing can hit me, I literally get one free self-resurrection per long rest, I'll be fine, it can't be that deep. See ya at the bottom!"
It was that deep. 10000000d6fall damage had I hit the ground, was saved last minute by remembering I had flying boots to slow my fall.
How... how high... how fast... that shouldn't be at all possible.
We're talking about mountaintop-to-planetary-core deep holes. 10ft=1d6 fall dmg.
Yeah but… terminal velocity. Fall damage is based upon the notion that the faster you go the harder you hit the pavement, if you fell roughly 10000000000 feet, you would hit terminal velocity aka maximum fall damage. It’s not physically possible for a being to to just fall so far the break the sound barrier.
I'm pretty sure the official D&D rulemakers didn't consider about terminal velocity when making this rule. Fall damage is usually used for "Billy trips and falls off the tavern balcony. 2d6 damage", not "Oh hey, an elder god blasted a hole to the core of the planet, I have time to take a short rest mid-fall."
It happened in a 16th level campaign, much more reality-breaking things have happened already, rest assured.
I think it would have been hilarious if your character had taken a rest while falling and just, woke up still falling, and was just kinda, unamused and went;
Ok, tired of falling now. And starts to reverse their trajectory.
It went more or less like this:
*yawn* are we there yet? I'm tired of falling.
nah, we're still falli-WAIT THERE'S THE CORE!
AAAAAA! DIP! YOUR BOOTS! ACTIVATE YOUR BOOOOOOTS!
Fall damage maxes out to 20d6.
Famous last words (major spoilers for ToA) :
lets just take a long rest. Withers will have no idea.
Its not like he hasn’t a scrying pool or a crew of wight dwarves or a patrol of flesh golems with plate armour or 3 hags or an aboleth or something?
There is a max, yes. But I feel like that should get ignored when the fall is measured by miles instead of feet.
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive for?”
I meant without air
Either way not long.
How do you have a -5? What sort of curse has befallen you?
DM : As you all enter this village, you can see there is light in the nearest INN you can spot from this distance. WE : Ok, let's go in that INN.
(( DM rolled some sneaky dices there )) <---- he didn't advised us there was a fighting inside the INN, which noone of us couldn't see YET........... ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
We were just near the door, when the DM asked us: Guys, roll a DEX saving throw WITH DISADVANTAGE, BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU ALL SAW THE FIGHT NORE THE INCOMING TABLE BEING THROWN BY THE WINDOW OVER THE GROUP.........................
Thnxs DM, for tpk us. Just.... thnxs....
COnscore 1 gives -5 mod. Rollled 3 on stats and had An ability scoreboard decrease
Me, using a character I didn't create, because the person who did it, couldn't be on that session ( a level 5 pixie rogue specialised in Slings ): I'm gonna attack the Ogre. DM: Ok, roll attack. Me : (( rolled the stupid NAT 1 )) DM: Ok, roll for damage............ Me : 24 bludgeoning damage (( the DM explained that MY fail provoked an attack over my eyes, causing that rolled damage obver 1 of my eyes )). DM : ok, what you gonna do now. Me : I'm gonna reload, and try a new shot. (( the new attack roll was a 3 )) The DM forced the Ogre to target me with an obvious advantage........
P.D. Who created a char with a CON of 1 ???? who !!??
Once you hit terminal velocity you stop speeding up. This should not be an argument, because it would hurt just as much to fall a thousand miles or a million miles in real life. So obviously you would still take 20d6 damage. If you landed on an especially hard surface or a spiky one it would be more.
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UNLESS the gravity is different. Then the terminal velocity changes.
Farewell.
to get to the point where gravity switches, you have to go past the core, which is... yeah, the freaking CORE OF THE PLANET. A nice and toasty 1000d6 extra fire damage aint gonna hurt too bad at that point.
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The gravity being different won’t change the terminal velocity (as far as I can tell), just decrease the time until you hit it. Also, more gravity means thicker atmosphere means lower terminal velocity.
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Sounds right to me.
Also, I think its time to end this side-conversation. This is a forum about Dungeons and Dragons, not Theoretical Physics and Thessalhydras.
Life is very busy unfortunately, gone from most Pbp's indefinitely.
If you'd like to contact me, I am on Discord at GreatAxeblade#7595, always happy to chat :)
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We were surrounded by a group of NPC human guards who falsely accused us from a robbery. We succesfully ran like the wind to the city walls. At the outside of the city there was a road junction. The road facing to the west leaded to a bridge ( with a huge river ). The road facing to the North, leaded to the praerie.
Then I quickly said, Hey, let's jump over the bridge !! What can we loose ???
xD (( the river was huge, right, and ALSO DRY .... hehehehehe
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This sounds like something straight outta looney toons
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Wait, where did Thessalhydras come up?
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I think you forgot that this is about famous last words.
Famous last words:
“so, if my con mod is -5, how long can I survive without air for?”
I meant without air
Either way not long.
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How do you have a -5? What sort of curse has befallen you?
Farewell.
DM : As you all enter this village, you can see there is light in the nearest INN you can spot from this distance.
WE : Ok, let's go in that INN.
(( DM rolled some sneaky dices there )) <---- he didn't advised us there was a fighting inside the INN, which noone of us couldn't see YET........... ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
We were just near the door, when the DM asked us: Guys, roll a DEX saving throw WITH DISADVANTAGE, BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU ALL SAW THE FIGHT NORE THE INCOMING TABLE BEING THROWN BY THE WINDOW OVER THE GROUP.........................
Thnxs DM, for tpk us. Just.... thnxs....
My Ready-to-rock&roll chars:
Dertinus Tristany // Amilcar Barca // Vicenç Sacrarius // Oriol Deulofeu // Grovtuk
COnscore 1 gives -5 mod. Rollled 3 on stats and had An ability scoreboard decrease
Me, using a character I didn't create, because the person who did it, couldn't be on that session ( a level 5 pixie rogue specialised in Slings ): I'm gonna attack the Ogre.
DM: Ok, roll attack.
Me : (( rolled the stupid NAT 1 ))
DM: Ok, roll for damage............
Me : 24 bludgeoning damage (( the DM explained that MY fail provoked an attack over my eyes, causing that rolled damage obver 1 of my eyes )).
DM : ok, what you gonna do now.
Me : I'm gonna reload, and try a new shot. (( the new attack roll was a 3 ))
The DM forced the Ogre to target me with an obvious advantage........
P.D. Who created a char with a CON of 1 ???? who !!??
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Dertinus Tristany // Amilcar Barca // Vicenç Sacrarius // Oriol Deulofeu // Grovtuk
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