I read in the description for the eldritch invocation Book of Ancient Secrets that I can acquire new ritual spells. I just started playing Dungeons and Dragons and I was wondering how and where I can find new spells.
How you get additional spells is up to your DM...typical means would be finding a wizards spellbook in loot, finding a wizard to teach you, or copying from a spell scroll you bought/found. But there is no "guaranteed" way to do this, so I would talk to your DM about the spells you want to find and hope they work it into your game for you to do so.
Yes, but it takes time and money to do so, so be prepared to pay and wait...if its another party member you will have to use downtime (and money)...if you use an NPC thats still up to the DM to allow you to find someone who knows how.
If its a member of your party, Xanathars gives guidelines for creating a scroll, but your dm might use this as a baseline for an NPC to craft one as well:
Cantrip: 1 day and 15gp
1st level: 1 day and 25gp
2nd level: 3 days and 250 gp
3rd level: 5 days (one workweek) and 500 gp
4th level: 10 days (2 workweeks) and 2500 gp
and so on...once the scroll is created, you would have to spend the time and money to copy it to your book as well.
You need to be proficient in Arcana in order to write a scroll.
Wizards should always take proficiency in Arcana, because they can learn any scroll and it is cheaper to trade your own spells for them than to buy them.
As far as wizards go, you can just copy the spell from their book. No need to spend time and money making a scroll.
I disagree.
The rules about copying a spell into the book clearly state the cost and the actions involved in writing a spell into your spellbook. It doesn't differentiate about the source of the spell.
Copying a Spell into the Book. When you find a wizard spell of 1st level or higher, you can add it to your spellbook if it is of a spell level you can prepare and if you can spare the time to decipher and copy it.
Copying that spell into your spellbook involves reproducing the basic form of the spell, then deciphering the unique system of notation used by the wizard who wrote it. You must practice the spell until you understand the sounds or gestures required, then transcribe it into your spellbook using your own notation.
For each level of the spell, the process takes 2 hours and costs 50 gp. The cost represents material components you expend as you experiment with the spell to master it, as well as the fine inks you need to record it. Once you have spent this time and money, you can prepare the spell just like your other spells.
As far as wizards go, you can just copy the spell from their book. No need to spend time and money making a scroll.
I disagree.
The rules about copying a spell into the book clearly state the cost and the actions involved in writing a spell into your spellbook. It doesn't differentiate about the source of the spell.
Copying a Spell into the Book. When you find a wizard spell of 1st level or higher, you can add it to your spellbook if it is of a spell level you can prepare and if you can spare the time to decipher and copy it.
Copying that spell into your spellbook involves reproducing the basic form of the spell, then deciphering the unique system of notation used by the wizard who wrote it. You must practice the spell until you understand the sounds or gestures required, then transcribe it into your spellbook using your own notation.
For each level of the spell, the process takes 2 hours and costs 50 gp. The cost represents material components you expend as you experiment with the spell to master it, as well as the fine inks you need to record it. Once you have spent this time and money, you can prepare the spell just like your other spells.
Ok. In no part of that does it say it has to be from a scroll, so why can't you copy it straight out of a book?
Ok. In no part of that does it say it has to be from a scroll, so why can't you copy it straight out of a book?
For the exact reason given in the second paragraph of the text I quoted!
Nothing in the text you quoted demands that the spell must be copied from a scroll.
DxJxC simply said copy directly from wizards spell book. Ignore the scroll aspect to save money. They did not say it will cost 0 gold, but to simply not pay for a scroll.
As far as wizards go, you can just copy the spell from their book. No need to spend time and money making a scroll.
I disagree.
The rules about copying a spell into the book clearly state the cost and the actions involved in writing a spell into your spellbook. It doesn't differentiate about the source of the spell.
Copying a Spell into the Book. When you find a wizard spell of 1st level or higher, you can add it to your spellbook if it is of a spell level you can prepare and if you can spare the time to decipher and copy it.
Copying that spell into your spellbook involves reproducing the basic form of the spell, then deciphering the unique system of notation used by the wizard who wrote it. You must practice the spell until you understand the sounds or gestures required, then transcribe it into your spellbook using your own notation.
For each level of the spell, the process takes 2 hours and costs 50 gp. The cost represents material components you expend as you experiment with the spell to master it, as well as the fine inks you need to record it. Once you have spent this time and money, you can prepare the spell just like your other spells.
First, the quote you have is for a wizard copying a spell into their spell book, not how a Warlock copies a ritual in their BoAS that the OP is asking about. DxJxC is correct that if you are a warlock and there is a wizard in the party (or a friend) you don’t have to have the wizard first make a scroll from their spell book and then you copy the scroll. You, the warlock, can just borrow their spell book and copy it for the cost described.
Ok. In no part of that does it say it has to be from a scroll, so why can't you copy it straight out of a book?
For the exact reason given in the second paragraph of the text I quoted!
Nothing in the text you quoted demands that the spell must be copied from a scroll.
DxJxC simply said copy directly from wizards spell book. Ignore the scroll aspect to save money. They did not say it will cost 0 gold, but to simply not pay for a scroll.
Ah, you're right. I was mis-reading DxJxC's comments.
In older editions of the game it was a thing that every Wizard had their own proprietary way of writing spells into their Spellbooks, and than no Wizard could read or cast spells from another Wizard’s book. While that’s not a thing in this edition, I understand that it is a common house rule employed by a lot of DMs. Presumably the process of transcribing a spell from their Spellbook to a Spell Scroll necessitates conversion to a more generic formulae for the spell.
So while any Wiz can copy any Wizard spell from a scroll into their Spellbook, they couldn’t simply copy spells directly from another Wizard’s Spellbook without first cracking the code to properly decipher that spell. As such, DMs who use this houserule require that the time and expense to copy a spell to a scroll gets added onto the costs associated with a Wizard copying a spell into their Spellbook. As it was explained to me, the character is not required to actually create a scroll from the other Wizard’s Spellbook and then copying the spell again from the scroll into their own Spellbook. Simply that the additional time and expense gets applied to the process. (That house rule would also work as a sort of soft limiter on Wizards in campaigns in which found Spellbooks are plentiful.)
Again, that is purely a house rule employed by some DMs. I am not suggesting that anyone actually use that house rule, I am not even stating that I use that house rule. I am merely letting folks know of its existence in case they care, or in case they have encountered it before and were wondering why they have heard of things working both ways and didn’t know why.
In older editions of the game it was a thing that every Wizard had their own proprietary way of writing spells into their Spellbooks, and than no Wizard could read or cast spells from another Wizard’s book. While that’s not a thing in this edition, I understand that it is a common house rule employed by a lot of DMs. Presumably the process of transcribing a spell from their Spellbook to a Spell Scroll necessitates conversion to a more generic formulae for the spell.
Correct, it required the "Read Magic" spell. The streamlining of 5e did away with that bit.
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I read in the description for the eldritch invocation Book of Ancient Secrets that I can acquire new ritual spells. I just started playing Dungeons and Dragons and I was wondering how and where I can find new spells.
It depends on your campaign. Sometimes you can buy scrolls, but usually you have to find them as treasure. Either way it depends on your DM.
How you get additional spells is up to your DM...typical means would be finding a wizards spellbook in loot, finding a wizard to teach you, or copying from a spell scroll you bought/found. But there is no "guaranteed" way to do this, so I would talk to your DM about the spells you want to find and hope they work it into your game for you to do so.
Can you get other spellcasters to write scrolls of spells they know for you?
Yes. That's definitely allowed and not DM dependent, except for needing some downtime. Good thinking.
Yes, but it takes time and money to do so, so be prepared to pay and wait...if its another party member you will have to use downtime (and money)...if you use an NPC thats still up to the DM to allow you to find someone who knows how.
If its a member of your party, Xanathars gives guidelines for creating a scroll, but your dm might use this as a baseline for an NPC to craft one as well:
Cantrip: 1 day and 15gp
1st level: 1 day and 25gp
2nd level: 3 days and 250 gp
3rd level: 5 days (one workweek) and 500 gp
4th level: 10 days (2 workweeks) and 2500 gp
and so on...once the scroll is created, you would have to spend the time and money to copy it to your book as well.
You need to be proficient in Arcana in order to write a scroll.
Wizards should always take proficiency in Arcana, because they can learn any scroll and it is cheaper to trade your own spells for them than to buy them.
As far as wizards go, you can just copy the spell from their book. No need to spend time and money making a scroll.
Classes that don't write spells down will need to do so for you to copy it though.
I disagree.
The rules about copying a spell into the book clearly state the cost and the actions involved in writing a spell into your spellbook. It doesn't differentiate about the source of the spell.
Ok. In no part of that does it say it has to be from a scroll, so why can't you copy it straight out of a book?
I would allow a from a captured spell book to be copied. Books should not be worthless.
Books aren't worthless, they effectively act as a large batch of scrolls for this purpose.
For the exact reason given in the second paragraph of the text I quoted!
Nothing in the text you quoted demands that the spell must be copied from a scroll.
DxJxC simply said copy directly from wizards spell book. Ignore the scroll aspect to save money. They did not say it will cost 0 gold, but to simply not pay for a scroll.
First, the quote you have is for a wizard copying a spell into their spell book, not how a Warlock copies a ritual in their BoAS that the OP is asking about. DxJxC is correct that if you are a warlock and there is a wizard in the party (or a friend) you don’t have to have the wizard first make a scroll from their spell book and then you copy the scroll. You, the warlock, can just borrow their spell book and copy it for the cost described.
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Ah, you're right. I was mis-reading DxJxC's comments.
Some DM may have a great arcane library that fills with spells in their world. In this case, you can have most of the spell if you have the money.
In older editions of the game it was a thing that every Wizard had their own proprietary way of writing spells into their Spellbooks, and than no Wizard could read or cast spells from another Wizard’s book. While that’s not a thing in this edition, I understand that it is a common house rule employed by a lot of DMs. Presumably the process of transcribing a spell from their Spellbook to a Spell Scroll necessitates conversion to a more generic formulae for the spell.
So while any Wiz can copy any Wizard spell from a scroll into their Spellbook, they couldn’t simply copy spells directly from another Wizard’s Spellbook without first cracking the code to properly decipher that spell. As such, DMs who use this houserule require that the time and expense to copy a spell to a scroll gets added onto the costs associated with a Wizard copying a spell into their Spellbook. As it was explained to me, the character is not required to actually create a scroll from the other Wizard’s Spellbook and then copying the spell again from the scroll into their own Spellbook. Simply that the additional time and expense gets applied to the process. (That house rule would also work as a sort of soft limiter on Wizards in campaigns in which found Spellbooks are plentiful.)
Again, that is purely a house rule employed by some DMs. I am not suggesting that anyone actually use that house rule, I am not even stating that I use that house rule. I am merely letting folks know of its existence in case they care, or in case they have encountered it before and were wondering why they have heard of things working both ways and didn’t know why.
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Correct, it required the "Read Magic" spell. The streamlining of 5e did away with that bit.
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