according to jeremy crawford on sage advice, an sorcerer with magic initiate (sorcerer) is in fact able to use their spell slots to cast the spell they learned via magic initiate (sorcerer), since it is considered to be an sorcerer spell. What i want to know is why this is the case, when the spell never outright says that that is the case? is it enough for an spell to be drawn / chosen from the sorcerer spell list to be considered an sorcerer spell, and if that is the case would i be able to cast the 1st level spell learned via the abberant dragonmark feat, since those spells are drawn from the sorcerer spell list, and if that is the case when using spell slots to cast the spell would i use constitution or charisma as my spell casting ability?
according to jeremy crawford on sage advice, an sorcerer with magic initiate (sorcerer) is in fact able to use their spell slots to cast the spell they learned via magic initiate (sorcerer), since it is considered to be an sorcerer spell. What i want to know is why this is the case, when the spell never outright says that that is the case?
is it enough for an spell to be drawn / chosen from the sorcerer spell list to be considered an sorcerer spell,
and if that is the case would i be able to cast the 1st level spell learned via the abberant dragonmark feat, since those spells are drawn from the sorcerer spell list,
and if that is the case when using spell slots to cast the spell would i use constitution or charisma as my spell casting ability?
If a wizard picks that magic feat, and picks a wizard spell, it goes in his spellbook. If a sorc or bard picks that feat and a spell from their list, same thing happens, it becomes a known spell. NON-casters who pick that feat or casters that pick a spell from a different class, they get the 1-day only part linked to the other ability as the spell is it not something they could normally learn to cast.
I don't know the marks so well but looking at aberrant dragonmark it differs as it states you are casting the spell through your mark, its tied to the mark, you can upcast through the mark. Also as a racial choice you have these marks before you have even decided a class, so you have this tied to your mark etched on your skin before you even know anything about magic, hence you do not get the spell in your book/list whatever as you don't have one yet. It also specifically say constitution is your spell casting ability for these spells, not the ability from where the spell comes from.
You learn feats after you have your class so I think that also is the distinction.
This is just an interpretation though, a DM, as always, may decide differently.
If a wizard picks that magic feat, and picks a wizard spell, it goes in his spellbook. If a sorc or bard picks that feat and a spell from their list, same thing happens, it becomes a known spell. NON-casters who pick that feat or casters that pick a spell from a different class, they get the 1-day only part linked to the other ability as the spell is it not something they could normally learn to cast.
I don't know the marks so well but looking at aberrant dragonmark it differs as it states you are casting the spell through your mark, its tied to the mark, you can upcast through the mark. Also as a racial choice you have these marks before you have even decided a class, so you have this tied to your mark etched on your skin before you even know anything about magic, hence you do not get the spell in your book/list whatever as you don't have one yet. It also specifically say constitution is your spell casting ability for these spells, not the ability from where the spell comes from.
You learn feats after you have your class so I think that also is the distinction.
This is just an interpretation though, a DM, as always, may decide differently.
are you perhaps using the unearthed arcana version of the feature? becuase i am talking about the feat in wayfinder's guide to ebberon and ebberon: rising from the last war, not the racial feature. here is the feat, it uses the same wording as magic initiate, you know the spell you gained via the feat, it is drawn from the sorcerer spell list but uses constitution as your spell casting ability and you regain use on a short rest.
Also while you would think that, you actually do not automatically add the spell to your spellbook, you would have to spend the normal 50 gold and one hour per level of the spell in order for you to be able to prepare it
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Well, like I said, I don't know the Dragonmarks so well so went off the general lore of Dragonmarks, however I decided to look it it up in Wayfinders Guide to Ebberon, on Pg 91 "The Powers of the Mark" and it seems to back up your case. Quotes like "IF you play a a character with the spellcasting or the Pact magic feature, your Dragonmark spells are added to the spelllist for each of your spellcasting classes" and also "You might also consider your dragonmark the source of any or all of your spells or class features" and finally "These descriptions add flavour to your character but don't change your characters abilities, beyond the dragonmark spells added to your spell list". It even uses the Aberrant one as an example.
However the feat contradicts this to specify "Constitution is your spellcasting ability for THESE SPELLS". That is significant as you only get 1 cantrip and 1 spell, as the plural has been used it means even the cantrip (a level 0 spell) must use constitution and it's not part of your class spells but alongside them (Eg. Not use charisma), which indicates it's meant to be separate from your class spell list.
That makes it seem like mutli-classing two caster classes, each with its relevant mod ability (Ie Sorc/Wiz & Cha/Int).
Messed around on my DnDbeyond Sorc to try the feat and they seem to have taken that view too, the spells are CON based and couldn't be up-cast using slots.
The general wording in the book is slightly confusing but the wording on the feat is pretty clear, and I enjoy researching this crap way to much. That said, DM can interpret how they want I guess, even home-brew it to be different.
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according to jeremy crawford on sage advice, an sorcerer with magic initiate (sorcerer) is in fact able to use their spell slots to cast the spell they learned via magic initiate (sorcerer), since it is considered to be an sorcerer spell. What i want to know is why this is the case, when the spell never outright says that that is the case? is it enough for an spell to be drawn / chosen from the sorcerer spell list to be considered an sorcerer spell, and if that is the case would i be able to cast the 1st level spell learned via the abberant dragonmark feat, since those spells are drawn from the sorcerer spell list, and if that is the case when using spell slots to cast the spell would i use constitution or charisma as my spell casting ability?
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If a wizard picks that magic feat, and picks a wizard spell, it goes in his spellbook. If a sorc or bard picks that feat and a spell from their list, same thing happens, it becomes a known spell. NON-casters who pick that feat or casters that pick a spell from a different class, they get the 1-day only part linked to the other ability as the spell is it not something they could normally learn to cast.
I don't know the marks so well but looking at aberrant dragonmark it differs as it states you are casting the spell through your mark, its tied to the mark, you can upcast through the mark. Also as a racial choice you have these marks before you have even decided a class, so you have this tied to your mark etched on your skin before you even know anything about magic, hence you do not get the spell in your book/list whatever as you don't have one yet. It also specifically say constitution is your spell casting ability for these spells, not the ability from where the spell comes from.
You learn feats after you have your class so I think that also is the distinction.
This is just an interpretation though, a DM, as always, may decide differently.
are you perhaps using the unearthed arcana version of the feature? becuase i am talking about the feat in wayfinder's guide to ebberon and ebberon: rising from the last war, not the racial feature. here is the feat, it uses the same wording as magic initiate, you know the spell you gained via the feat, it is drawn from the sorcerer spell list but uses constitution as your spell casting ability and you regain use on a short rest.
Also while you would think that, you actually do not automatically add the spell to your spellbook, you would have to spend the normal 50 gold and one hour per level of the spell in order for you to be able to prepare it
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Well, like I said, I don't know the Dragonmarks so well so went off the general lore of Dragonmarks, however I decided to look it it up in Wayfinders Guide to Ebberon, on Pg 91 "The Powers of the Mark" and it seems to back up your case. Quotes like "IF you play a a character with the spellcasting or the Pact magic feature, your Dragonmark spells are added to the spelllist for each of your spellcasting classes" and also "You might also consider your dragonmark the source of any or all of your spells or class features" and finally "These descriptions add flavour to your character but don't change your characters abilities, beyond the dragonmark spells added to your spell list". It even uses the Aberrant one as an example.
However the feat contradicts this to specify "Constitution is your spellcasting ability for THESE SPELLS". That is significant as you only get 1 cantrip and 1 spell, as the plural has been used it means even the cantrip (a level 0 spell) must use constitution and it's not part of your class spells but alongside them (Eg. Not use charisma), which indicates it's meant to be separate from your class spell list.
That makes it seem like mutli-classing two caster classes, each with its relevant mod ability (Ie Sorc/Wiz & Cha/Int).
Messed around on my DnDbeyond Sorc to try the feat and they seem to have taken that view too, the spells are CON based and couldn't be up-cast using slots.
The general wording in the book is slightly confusing but the wording on the feat is pretty clear, and I enjoy researching this crap way to much. That said, DM can interpret how they want I guess, even home-brew it to be different.