For you. Loads of people see it differently. You can tell by the fact that any copies of the book sold.

And please, me treating you like a reactionary doesn't make me an apologist. I'm not speaking on the behalf and trying to defend a massive corporation that doesn't care about me. I just don't think it's a big deal. I like the new mechanics for the most part, already own Volo's and Tome of Foes, don't much care about the lore to begin with, and am losing nothing in any of this. And I can't imagine anyone that's invested in the shift is losing anything, either. Just...complaining on principle.

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If you don't think it's a big deal, then why are you here. If you're not losing anything then go play it the way you want to play it. Let us the consumers have a voice and criticize the direction that not just the product is going down but the company as well. Stop trying to undermine our concerns as consumers that care about the entirety of the product, which you said you don't much care about the lore, to begin with. Guess what, we do. [REDACTED]

 Because if only people who are angry about something are allowed to comment, then every decision looks unpopular.  This article is an FAQ, not a "free complaint" section. You don't have sole exclusive right to have your voice heard. Me expressing myself doesn't undermine your concerns any more than you expressing yourself. If you can speak, so can I. 

This thread has been comprised almost entirely of people kvetching about conflicting concerns ("you're taking old books that i already own away except i can still use them! i'm not sure what i'm mad about!") and others asking the same question fourteen times. I have as much right to say "Hey, this is not a big deal" as you have to say that you're pissed about it. 

Most of the internet needs to realize that someone disagreeing with you is not censorship. Nothing I've said prevents you from "having a voice" and "criticizing" the direction. 

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If you don't think it's a big deal, then why are you here. If you're not losing anything then go play it the way you want to play it. Let us the consumers have a voice and criticize the direction that not just the product is going down but the company as well. Stop trying to undermine our concerns as consumers that care about the entirety of the product, which you said you don't much care about the lore, to begin with. Guess what, we do. [REDACTED]

 Because if only people who are angry about something are allowed to comment, then every decision looks unpopular.  This article is an FAQ, not a "free complaint" section. You don't have sole exclusive right to have your voice heard. Me expressing myself doesn't undermine your concerns any more than you expressing yourself. If you can speak, so can I. 

This thread has been comprised almost entirely of people kvetching about conflicting concerns ("you're taking old books that i already own away except i can still use them! i'm not sure what i'm mad about!") and others asking the same question fourteen times. I have as much right to say "Hey, this is not a big deal" as you have to say that you're pissed about it. 

Most of the internet needs to realize that someone disagreeing with you is not censorship. Nothing I've said prevents you from "having a voice" and "criticizing" the direction. 

 We’re not saying you’re censoring us you’re just being unnecessarily rude and refusing to see the perspective of the other side. That’s why people are starting to get hostile with you and telling you to leave. You’ve said your peace about enjoying it, if you have nothing else to say why stay? Other than to fight with people you disagree with which is pretty clear that’s all you want to do here.

Theres also really no better place to criticize the release as this is where they announced all the things we have problems with. So where else would you like us to take it? We have a problem with how DDB is doing this and should make it heard. They’re a part of WotC officially so they can relay we have this problem with the digital product to their parent company. This is the best place to make these things heard.

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For you. Loads of people see it differently. You can tell by the fact that any copies of the book sold.

And please, me treating you like a reactionary doesn't make me an apologist. I'm not speaking on the behalf and trying to defend a massive corporation that doesn't care about me. I just don't think it's a big deal. I like the new mechanics for the most part, already own Volo's and Tome of Foes, don't much care about the lore to begin with, and am losing nothing in any of this. And I can't imagine anyone that's invested in the shift is losing anything, either. Just...complaining on principle.

If you don't think it's a big deal, then why are you here. If you're not losing anything then go play it the way you want to play it. Let us the consumers have a voice and criticize the direction that not just the product is going down but the company as well. Stop trying to undermine our concerns as consumers that care about the entirety of the product, which you said you don't much care about the lore, to begin with. Guess what, we do. [REDACTED]

 Also this person’s explanation right here is exactly why I referred to you as an apologist. If you were genuinely just here to make sure WotC and DDB knew that not everyone had a problem with this you wouldn’t have stayed. As it stands you’re staying and fighting anyone who replies to you that tries to explain why they’re upset or take issue with this release. I also hardly think it’s reactionary to be holding a company to the motto they said they’d always uphold since it’s inception.

While I agree with this move on most fronts, Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse did not actually provide updates to all of the race options presented in these two books. Players interested in playing a Tiefling are now limited to only the PHB and Sword Coast's Adventurer's Guide which do not have features that would be very useful for playing a number of classes. So by taking these steps, you may have opened up the playability of a number of different player race/class options, you have also, in fact, reduced the playability of one of the games core races. You previously allowed for these options to be purchasable individually outside of the Sourcebooks in which they are printed. Might I suggest the ability to do so for these Tiefling Variant options, that way new players have the opportunity to enjoy one of the games most popular races without the drastic loss in diversity.

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 We’re not saying you’re censoring us you’re just being unnecessarily rude and refusing to see the perspective of the other side. That’s why people are starting to get hostile with you and telling you to leave. You’ve said your peace about enjoying it, if you have nothing else to say why stay? Other than to fight with people you disagree with which is pretty clear that’s all you want to do here.

Actually, I haven't said my piece about enjoying it. I've said nothing of the kind. I've said it's not a huge deal and disputed your claim that it's greed-driven, because the math just doesn't work out that way. The whole thing is kinda fine. I'd much rather have had an all-new book, maybe gotten Spelljammer earlier. But Mordenkainen offers a bunch of alternatives, some of which I dig, some of which I don't, but they're all there for my players in case they like them. I'm very neutral about the whole thing, which is why the "apologist" accusations ring false, unless you're conflating me with someone else or just straw-manning this argument into oblivion. Hell, even if I had said my piece about enjoying it, I have as much right to repeat myself as you do, and you've been mostly regurgitating the same aggrieved points for something like four pages now.

And I respond because you do, and it gives me something to do while I take a dump. I think you wildly misjudge how invested I am in this "fight." I just think you're wrong and occasionally have 2-5 minutes to respond, which is normally what I do when someone addresses me directly.

I see the perspective of the "other side" (despite not actually having taken one) just fine. People are mad about the "loss" of the other two books and some of their material. But again, odds are that if anyone cares about that material, they or someone they can share with already have that material, which means its just whining for its own sake, on principle. I'm not even being particularly rude about it, I just think you're mixing up knee-jerk emotional reactions with actual arguments and saying so in plain text. I haven't been anything approaching rude to anyone but you, and you started peppering me with aggressive rhetorical questions well before that, rather than actually addressing anything I said. Every time I raise a point, you shift the goalposts, ask a bunch of questions, and run away. It's Ben Shapiro-level debating, and it accomplishes nothing.

Theres also really no better place to criticize the release as this is where they announced all the things we have problems with. So where else would you like us to take it? We have a problem with how DDB is doing this and should make it heard. They’re a part of WotC officially so they can relay we have this problem with the digital product to their parent company. This is the best place to make these things heard.

 The decision for how this would be handled was made by WotC and handed down to Beyond before the sale was finalized, and they had no say in the matter. Likely even less than they would have before the acquisition, but nevertheless, you keep mentioning this "motto" that I've never seen anywhere on this site. No motto or mission statement, or even just a general FAQ for content management expectations on the site. Updates and errata are made available to Beyond users free of charge because they're also issued by Wizards free of charge. Wizards is not going to issue an entire book of wide, sweeping changes that go far beyond errata (which are often very small grammatical/mechanical changes) for sale, then let either a licensee or a subsidiary give that away for free. That is not how business works.

When Beyond was a licensee, they still have to pay for 5e material, which means if they pay for the new Monsterverse book then give it all to Beyond users for free, they're taking a big ol' loss. Now that they're a subsidiary, Wizards' profit margins are even more directly their priority, and they will be unable to give the book away on their platform free of charge. Your expectations of this situation are, for lack of a kinder word, childish. This material cost money to make, and will need to make money to justify its existence. And that's not greed, that's staying afloat and keepin' the lights on. If Wizards elects to publish something for sale, it is going to cost money on Beyond as well. I genuinely can't understand expecting anything else.

As for better places, Beyond's own support wiki has suggestions for that, and you're likely to get higher visibility and quicker response by reaching out to any of Wizards' published social media accounts, such as their Twitter or Instagram. This is a thread attached to an FAQ article, and instead of asking clarifying questions or ensuring your own understanding of what the article says, you're just complaining. 

And that's fine, you can do whatever you want (within Beyond's terms of service and moderation guidelines), but but neither you nor anyone else has any grounds on which to tell me to clam up because I'm ruining their fun.

I agree, we should be able to read the online book that we bought. Why don't we have access to the whole thing?

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I agree, we should be able to read the online book that we bought. Why don't we have access to the whole thing?

 Wait, what is it you’ve paid for that you cannot access?

big question, do turtle get the the con, wis, int, bonus when playing a Barbarian, monk or spell singer wizard

I'm disappointed, it was annoying to hear that all goblinoids are now fey, but I can accept that, the really irritating thing is what has happened to monsters like the hobgoblin devastator which (like almost every monster in this book) got an alignment change. When comparing the new hobgoblin devastator to the regular hobgoblin the first things I noticed were its new alignment, typically lawful neutral, compared to the hobgoblin (and old hobgoblin devastator)'s alignment of lawful evil. The alignment change doesn't really make a lot of sense because before MMM every hobgoblin had the LE alignment whereas now the hobgoblin devastator and iron shadow have TLN, it also just makes it harder to associate them with with normal hobgoblins and hobgoblin captains/warlords. The second thing is a change in their type, (humanoid to fey) all other hobgoblins are still humanoid aside from the devastator and iron shadow, a change in type makes it even harder to associate them with normal goblinoids. These changed were very irritating, why change the alignment and type if you can't do it for other goblinoids outside of MMM's jurisdiction? Why not make goblinoids descended from fey like elves to keep the humanoid alignment? It's all just aggravating, no new monsters were added, no CRs were changed, making goblinoids fey wasn't really necessary and adding in recycled races from books other than VGtM and MToF makes it feel like there wasn't enough content already in this book.

Tl;dr: Guy on the internet rants about hobgoblins because coping is hard.

I've never regretted purchasing a book so much before, but I can say that I am very disappointed in MotM...please don't remove the older books from the purchase list. If I could I would get a refund.

I feel this book is a declaration by WoTC that they hate in-game cannon cultures.

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 We’re not saying you’re censoring us you’re just being unnecessarily rude and refusing to see the perspective of the other side. That’s why people are starting to get hostile with you and telling you to leave. You’ve said your peace about enjoying it, if you have nothing else to say why stay? Other than to fight with people you disagree with which is pretty clear that’s all you want to do here.

Actually, I haven't said my piece about enjoying it. I've said nothing of the kind. I've said it's not a huge deal and disputed your claim that it's greed-driven, because the math just doesn't work out that way. The whole thing is kinda fine. I'd much rather have had an all-new book, maybe gotten Spelljammer earlier. But Mordenkainen offers a bunch of alternatives, some of which I dig, some of which I don't, but they're all there for my players in case they like them. I'm very neutral about the whole thing, which is why the "apologist" accusations ring false, unless you're conflating me with someone else or just straw-manning this argument into oblivion. Hell, even if I had said my piece about enjoying it, I have as much right to repeat myself as you do, and you've been mostly regurgitating the same aggrieved points for something like four pages now.

And I respond because you do, and it gives me something to do while I take a dump. I think you wildly misjudge how invested I am in this "fight." I just think you're wrong and occasionally have 2-5 minutes to respond, which is normally what I do when someone addresses me directly.

I see the perspective of the "other side" (despite not actually having taken one) just fine. People are mad about the "loss" of the other two books and some of their material. But again, odds are that if anyone cares about that material, they or someone they can share with already have that material, which means its just whining for its own sake, on principle. I'm not even being particularly rude about it, I just think you're mixing up knee-jerk emotional reactions with actual arguments and saying so in plain text. I haven't been anything approaching rude to anyone but you, and you started peppering me with aggressive rhetorical questions well before that, rather than actually addressing anything I said. Every time I raise a point, you shift the goalposts, ask a bunch of questions, and run away. It's Ben Shapiro-level debating, and it accomplishes nothing.

Theres also really no better place to criticize the release as this is where they announced all the things we have problems with. So where else would you like us to take it? We have a problem with how DDB is doing this and should make it heard. They’re a part of WotC officially so they can relay we have this problem with the digital product to their parent company. This is the best place to make these things heard.

 The decision for how this would be handled was made by WotC and handed down to Beyond before the sale was finalized, and they had no say in the matter. Likely even less than they would have before the acquisition, but nevertheless, you keep mentioning this "motto" that I've never seen anywhere on this site. No motto or mission statement, or even just a general FAQ for content management expectations on the site. Updates and errata are made available to Beyond users free of charge because they're also issued by Wizards free of charge. Wizards is not going to issue an entire book of wide, sweeping changes that go far beyond errata (which are often very small grammatical/mechanical changes) for sale, then let either a licensee or a subsidiary give that away for free. That is not how business works.

When Beyond was a licensee, they still have to pay for 5e material, which means if they pay for the new Monsterverse book then give it all to Beyond users for free, they're taking a big ol' loss. Now that they're a subsidiary, Wizards' profit margins are even more directly their priority, and they will be unable to give the book away on their platform free of charge. Your expectations of this situation are, for lack of a kinder word, childish. This material cost money to make, and will need to make money to justify its existence. And that's not greed, that's staying afloat and keepin' the lights on. If Wizards elects to publish something for sale, it is going to cost money on Beyond as well. I genuinely can't understand expecting anything else.

As for better places, Beyond's own support wiki has suggestions for that, and you're likely to get higher visibility and quicker response by reaching out to any of Wizards' published social media accounts, such as their Twitter or Instagram. This is a thread attached to an FAQ article, and instead of asking clarifying questions or ensuring your own understanding of what the article says, you're just complaining. 

And that's fine, you can do whatever you want (within Beyond's terms of service and moderation guidelines), but but neither you nor anyone else has any grounds on which to tell me to clam up because I'm ruining their fun.

Well, it's a bit easy for you to say. You already have the book. But what about the many other people who doesn't get the chance in grab? And yeah, I very aware a lot of free players doesn't care about the lore. But, what about gameplay mechanics? The Tiefling variants in Tome of foes? Or previous versions of the playable races? Or monsters that DMs could use?

I can kinda understand why you think this is fine, but for me and many other players here, WOTC move to stop selling the digital versions of Volo and Tome of Foes is not a "fine" deal. It's greedy, unfair, and a total disrespect to consumers and users of DND Beyond. If they don't want to sell physical copies of those books, that's okay. But they should keep the digital ones to people buy. 

Understand this, I not fighting with you, nor I censoring you. And if that's a good "deal" for you very well. However, people around here are right to have concerns about WTOC decision and dnd beyond accepting such decisions. 

Can you guys please reconsider making the old books no longer purchasable, there is a lot of great content still in those old books (such as more lore and some drastically different races compared to the newer stuff (Aassimar and Hobgoblin), and it's just more money on the table.

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During the Tech Update, they specifically said to take complaints to WotC

How do you actually do that though? WotC have made it very difficult to give feedback (or contact them at all); even when they want feedback on Unearthed Arcana they just suddenly open a time limited poll with no way to be notified about it so 99% of the community don't get a chance to respond because they won't be checking the UA page every single day just in case.

 They are mortified of having another 4th edition lynch mob incident so they have made all websites like DnDb take the full load. It's a wee bit on the evil side.

 I my experience, using people with jobs lower on the totem pole as human shields against customer feedback is completely par the course for a lot of businesses.

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During the Tech Update, they specifically said to take complaints to WotC

How do you actually do that though? WotC have made it very difficult to give feedback (or contact them at all); even when they want feedback on Unearthed Arcana they just suddenly open a time limited poll with no way to be notified about it so 99% of the community don't get a chance to respond because they won't be checking the UA page every single day just in case.

 They are mortified of having another 4th edition lynch mob incident so they have made all websites like DnDb take the full load. It's a wee bit on the evil side.

 I my experience, using people with jobs lower on the totem pole as human shields against customer feedback is completely par the course for a lot of businesses.

 100% All of Telecom has been doing this for years

so lame i was going to pick up volos guide to monsters for session they need to give people more time than that because almost 100$ CAN over the span of a single month to pick it up is ridiculous dnd beyond please do right and fix this.