"WARRIOR OF INTOXICATION"....lol, who creates the titles for this crap?

Wotc I beg you.
College of Swords Bard...
Please.
Please reprint it.
you already took away TWF with two longswords.
At least give me closure.

- It's no longer Drunken Master because they want you to have the choice for your monk to do other drugs I think.

- Same as the Spirit Guardian is no longer your Ancestor, it could be any kind of spirit.

- Oathbreaker is a mess thematically. I get it's the 'anti-paladin' but breaking your oath and then raising undead and allying yourself with fiends are two different things. We're keeping 'legacy' carryover from older editions that kinda don't make sense anymore, the flavor text tried to very hard wash-way that you HAVE to be EVIL with your Oathbreaker so that players can play a morally ambiguous character, but then mechanically we're still summoning undead, what gives? Shouldn't we have a Chaotic-aligned Oathbreaker then? I mean, you're BREAKING an Oath, a LAW, allying yourself with Aberrations and demons makes more sense than a devil and undead - especially if you want a player to be the Dark-Knight using dark power for good. Isn't being morally ambiguous more of a Oath of Conquest thing if you're still gonna push for summoning undead?

- Cavalier has very little in way of Keeping your Mount actually alive. Are we still to use random beast statblocks or are we taking the ones from Paladin? Because I fail to see Cavalier being anything but a liability at Tier 3+

- We're giving more incentives for barbarians to attack more times instead of doing a big burst? This seems counter-intuitive to the flavor of the class. The idea of having a dual yielding 2 handed barbarian just attacking with elemental damage just shows how weak class direction is right now. Ancestors has a cool idea and in the end will just become another flavor of 'Conjure Minor Elementals multi-attacker' that you can do with bard and warlock and what not. Make it hit big on one attack and that's it, not scale by number of attacks.

So... you nerfed the protective ability of the one barbarian subclass that was good at defending allies? Hello?

In the same 2024 system that buffed casters and healing? What kinda logic is this?

I've never understood what necromancy had to do with punishment in oathbreaker paladin.
If we're gonna have a necromancer paladin why aren't they called "oath of undying"?

An oathbreaker's abilities in my opinion would have a lot more narrative potential if it was more a class that gets more power as it takes a beating. "repenting" for their transgression by taking "punishment". Perhaps even "absorbing" party member's damage depending on aura.

Swing and a miss on this one folx

I hate the name for the monk subclass. Was it offensive? No. Was it inappropriate? No. It's heavily based on a beloved martial arts-humor movie. The name "Intoxicated" implies the usage of other drugs. If you must rename it to conform to a weird directive, why not BREWMASTER?

Ugh please no actual drinking mechanic for Drunken Master. And if you’re gonna rename it, call it Warrior of the Drunken Fist to respect the real world origin of the subclass.

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still dislike the naming trend for revised monk, forcing every monk to be a warrior feels not only misleading but also restrictive and not in a good way

 
I absolutely agree. I’m okay with the standardization within classes, but “warrior” for monks feels wrong. Monks of all traditions are more about learning and lifestyle than fighting. Martial arts were always a means not an end. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not well versed with the monk class's history inside D&D.
The way it seems to me is that the Monk class leans towards what would be, in other context, categorized as a warrior monk. So, while a monk works towards a religious lifestyle or enlightenment, a warrior monk is someone who partially follows a monks lifestyle and aims to protect a monastery, for example. Renaming the whole class to 'Warrior Monk' would make things clearer, but that just overcomplicate things.

Also, renaming the subclass to Warrior of Intoxication seems stupid, but now nobody can stop you from playing a methhead martial artist.

Warrior of Intoxicatiom as a name definitely needs to go... all previous names were 10 times better

Aside from that, i like the flavor of giving him benefits from drinking, but the way he gets them doesn't deel right... How would he be able to create exact potions as a drunk guy...idk

The whole flavor of Drunken Master is that he is a "goofy", "fun" and "unpredictable" subclass for Monks, and i feel like it should stay that way... maybe give him a luck based fearure when everytime he drinks 'x' amounts of booze he gets a certain instant or passive benefit for 'y' amount of time (like wild magic sorcerer but monk style), maybe even add a couple of strong and few of swlfharming feats in there to balance it out.

Aside from that, i feel like the problem with Cavalier is that his best and significant features come way too late to be playable in any campaign and i don't see that changed. Every other warrior sublclass can feel as a much better Cavalier when they get horse because they can do even more than this subclass (because horses would often die right away in the combat anyway). I don't like the flavor... give him significant fearure early... like maybe charge attack on 3rd or 6th level (for example "if you've walked at least 10ft in a straight line before making an attack, you can add 1d8 (scalable) to it" or smth like that)

"As part of the attack action" means you can use that ability only when you take an action to attack not a reaction for opportunity attacks

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The subclass name for the monk is stupid.

Maybe Warrior of Deception? Or Hornswoggling Warrior? Or Cockeyed Warrior?

Almost anything is better than Warrior of Intoxication.

 Warrior of the Drunken Fist

Warrior of the Brew

Warrior of the Disorienting Step

 Your names are infinitely better.

Not a fan of the rename of the Drunken Master, as many others.

But in the end, it's just a name, we don't have to use that name in our campaigns. Like my old Drunkenmaster was just using the class and sublass, he wasn't a monk at all in the game. Just a drunkard smuggler that happened to be great in bar fights and had an ancestor that passed down to him some vague powers that allowed him to punch harder than normal (to justify damaging ghosts and such).

Basically, you can just takes the rules and not embarrass yourselves with the names and backgrounds behind the classes and subclasses.

Thank you for the updates, PLEASE DO DRUIDS NEXT

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it's like how u can play your old xbox games on the new box console, but then later they will update the graphics etc. and release a "remastered" version or what ever. The old ones still work, you're not loosing any options, just gaining an option for an updated version that more closely scales with the new style.

 this is actually an amazing metaphor

Warrior of intoxication is absolutely terrible and whoever came up with this shouldn't be working on ANYTHING DNnD related."Drunken Master" is the only proper name for well the Drunken Master Martial Arts style. This is like changing Ninja to Warrior of the Shadow or something.....wait what? 😆 

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Not a fan of the rename of the Drunken Master, as many others.

But in the end, it's just a name, we don't have to use that name in our campaigns. Like my old Drunkenmaster was just using the class and sublass, he wasn't a monk at all in the game. Just a drunkard smuggler that happened to be great in bar fights and had an ancestor that passed down to him some vague powers that allowed him to punch harder than normal (to justify damaging ghosts and such).

Basically, you can just takes the rules and not embarrass yourselves with the names and backgrounds behind the classes and subclasses.

 THANK YOU!!! It would be one thing if most of the criticism of the features of the subclass, but way too many people are focused on the name 

It's weird. For some of the older subclasses, I really appreciate a revised version. For others, they are just making them the same power level as the 2024 PHB subclasses.

It just... Doesn't excite me? Maybe if these subclasses are part of a cheap product or product with a lot of new stuff, but I am just lukewarm on this.

The design is solid. Just keep the Drunken Master name!

No, that’s why it’s worded that way. “…part of the Attack action…” is key. An Opportunity Attack is not part of the attack action, it’s part of a reaction. 

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I've never understood what necromancy had to do with punishment in oathbreaker paladin.
If we're gonna have a necromancer paladin why aren't they called "oath of undying"?

An oathbreaker's abilities in my opinion would have a lot more narrative potential if it was more a class that gets more power as it takes a beating. "repenting" for their transgression by taking "punishment". Perhaps even "absorbing" party member's damage depending on aura.

 I think the idea is that when a Paladin breaks their oath, their divine power is corrupted into an unholy facsimile of itself, and necromancy and the undead are generally depicted as unholy in D&D. It’s why Clerics, who are holy people, have Turn Undead.