since that is not a reason or opinion let me give you one from the game designers. Is it official? no but it is a reason for accepting the exact opposite claim.
the dm gets the final say is an awful argument. we all know that rule. It is irrelevant and off topic. If a dm just says rocks fall the pc is dead, they are in their rights. It is also clear that they are deliberately bypassing rules to do so and being a jerk. The dm is held to the same rule book as the rest. They are just given leeway to make calls when there is a question or to determine checks that are irrelevant or time wasters or solve gameplay mistakes. DM fiat is not an end all solution to every question.
Please note: "The DM gets the final say" is NOT irrelevant nor off-topic and only serves to confuse users by stating such. This facet is written into the sourcebooks and will be upheld as an on-topic point in any/all discussion, as it holds true in every scenario. Any direction to other users to limit, avoid, or contradict such is null.
See below example(s):
[And as a referee, the DM interprets the rules and decides when to abide by them and when to change them.]
[The D&D rules help you and the other players have a good time, but the rules aren’t in charge. You’re the DM, and you are in charge of the game.]
I must remind folks that your purpose on these boards is not arguing to convince others that your playstyle/methods are "right" (or likewise that theirs are "wrong") but to share your opinion ... and move on. If you find that you cannot respect the opinions of others or need to beat a dead horse (with or without saving throws), it might be time to stand up and take a break from the thread.
Would it be fair and accurate, according to the guidelines of the forums, to say "The DM has the final say." is not constructive to a conversation because it is already an absolute answer, that we all know and love about this game, but does not help move along any kind of real discussion because it is the end verdict no matter what anyway, while we are all generally trying to come up with thoughts, opinions, and ideas before it has to come to that final verdict?
DM has final say is base DnD rule.....
so are all the rest.
Then we agree that the DM can decide what to do with saves and should make clear to the group in session 0 what that means for them.
I'm not sure why this concept is controversial....
then let me ask you why is it so controversial for pets to get saves? I will listen.
Nothing you quoted there has any relevance on the topic
It's not....but it's up to the DM to decide if they get them.
They are under no obligation to give them to the pet.
that is not a reason or an explaination. Please explain why?
It is a reason you just don't seem to like it even though it's the rules of the game.
The DM can forgo them for pets if they want. It's well within their rights to do so.
Each DM might have a different rationale but that's their business.
I am asking your reason because it seems you don't like several other rules to the game.
Read post #8 and get back to me
since that is not a reason or opinion let me give you one from the game designers. Is it official? no but it is a reason for accepting the exact opposite claim.
https://www.sageadvice.eu/does-revised-ranger-companion-get-death-saving-throws-upon-reaching-0-hp/
Would it be fair and accurate, according to the guidelines of the forums, to say "The DM has the final say." is not constructive to a conversation because it is already an absolute answer, that we all know and love about this game, but does not help move along any kind of real discussion because it is the end verdict no matter what anyway, while we are all generally trying to come up with thoughts, opinions, and ideas before it has to come to that final verdict?
I ask in all true good faith and curiosity.
Thank you in advance.
No, this is the exact opposite of what I just posted.