There is absolutely no good reason to do this beyond making it harder to stick to the 2014 rules—forced obsolescence, in other words. This is exactly what DDB said they were NOT going to do after the huge backlash earlier this year. And here they are doing it anyway, after reassuring us they wouldn't.
Overwriting 2014 content with its 2024 equivalent was a mistake when it was announced. But overwriting 2014 content without any sort of notification does not speak well of DDB's trustworthiness to its subscribers.
We still have access to 2014 content in the character builder and character sheet. However, they changed the default set up to 2024 from 2014, and they are unlikely to change the default set up back, and you cannot turn 2024 content off.
Nothing was taken away besides convenience if you want strictly 2014 stuff.
Items are being replaced. You can view their 2014 values by opening the relevant sourcebook, but on the magic item/equipment tables that interact with character sheets, items are being replaced.
Items are being replaced. You can view their 2014 values by opening the relevant sourcebook, but on the magic item/equipment tables that interact with character sheets, items are being replaced.
Can you be more specific? As far as I am concerned, items that are "replaced" with a 2024 version, such as the Crystal Ball, only has their source updated from Basic Rules to Free Rules. Besides telling you where to look for it that is different, the item is essentially unchanged.
The point here is that we DON'T want them to be "replaced" with a 2024 version of the item. There could be changes to stats, cost, weight, etc, which does not align with the 2014 rules that we are continuing to use.
It is the same scope as all the changes to feats and spells and class abilities, etc. We don't want the 2024 version, only the 2014 version.
The point here is that we DON'T want them to be "replaced" with a 2024 version of the item. There could be changes to stats, cost, weight, etc, which does not align with the 2014 rules that we are continuing to use.
It is the same scope as all the changes to feats and spells and class abilities, etc. We don't want the 2024 version, only the 2014 version.
I agree with you. I made my voice very clear that I did not like it when they announced they were replacing magic items with the new versions when the 2024 DMG comes out. However, they have walked back on that, and items have not been replaced.
I ask that people be SPECIFIC so that the issue can be confirmed and verified by multiple users. Being vague does NOT help. Fear mongering does NOT help. Misinformation does NOT help. If you have an issue, which SPECIFIC items are you having issues with?
I have not checked every item, but I checked adamantine armor, crystal ball, and animated shield. These items have been "replaced" so to speak, but the only change I see is cosmetic, in the bottom right corner where it tells you where to find it in the Free Rules; other than that, the item is essentially unchanged. If this is what the complaint is about, this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
There is absolutely no good reason to do this beyond making it harder to stick to the 2014 rules—forced obsolescence, in other words. This is exactly what DDB said they were NOT going to do after the huge backlash earlier this year. And here they are doing it anyway, after reassuring us they wouldn't.
Overwriting 2014 content with its 2024 equivalent was a mistake when it was announced. But overwriting 2014 content without any sort of notification does not speak well of DDB's trustworthiness to its subscribers.
You need to give examples. Cause explicitly the only things that were replaced in the code were things that were unchanged.
There is absolutely no good reason to do this beyond making it harder to stick to the 2014 rules—forced obsolescence, in other words. This is exactly what DDB said they were NOT going to do after the huge backlash earlier this year. And here they are doing it anyway, after reassuring us they wouldn't.
Overwriting 2014 content with its 2024 equivalent was a mistake when it was announced. But overwriting 2014 content without any sort of notification does not speak well of DDB's trustworthiness to its subscribers.
You need to give examples. Cause explicitly the only things that were replaced in the code were things that were unchanged.
All common weapons is the one that's caused the biggest headache so far. If you're using 2014 rules and filtering with the 2014 rules tag during chargen, you're faced with an empty list. The other items I've noticed so far are the Crystal Ball and the Ring of Free Action. There's also admixing of spell lists—e.g. druids have access to Aid in 2024, but not in 2014. Yet if you create a 2014 druid, you can select the 2024 Aid spell.
And the thing is, 'unchanged' is questionable. For instance, the wording for Ring of Free Action has changed slightly, from "your speed" to "any of your speeds" as I recall. Does that make a practical difference? No, not at this point. But rules have changed before.
As well, it's not really 'unchanged' when they add features to common weapons that aren't available in the 2014 rules. It makes it harder to run games when the character sheet is cluttered up with information from a different ruleset.
And the plain fact is, DDB told us that "game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules." What's going on with these replacements isn't in keeping with that statement.
The point here is that we DON'T want them to be "replaced" with a 2024 version of the item. There could be changes to stats, cost, weight, etc, which does not align with the 2014 rules that we are continuing to use.
It is the same scope as all the changes to feats and spells and class abilities, etc. We don't want the 2024 version, only the 2014 version.
They aren't being replaced. Any items with actual changes have a duplicate entry, one for 2014 and one for 2024, both marked as such. The only items that don't, are exactly the same as what they were before other than a bit of fluff perhaps removed.
And the thing is, 'unchanged' is questionable. For instance, the wording for Ring of Free Action has changed slightly, from "your speed" to "any of your speeds" as I recall. Does that make a practical difference? No, not at this point. But rules have changed before.
That is literally a Sage Advice update, not a 2024 update. #facepalm
The problem isn't that things are being replaced, it's that there's zero option to be able to toggle off the 2024 content. You unfortunately just have to dig harder to ensure you're looking at the content you intend to use. Legacy tags and 2024 & 2014 tags are littering everything so yeah, it absolutely blows. This website is absolute trash at this point without actual full functionality of filters to view the content you want to view and use.
The problem isn't that things are being replaced, it's that there's zero option to be able to toggle off the 2024 content. You unfortunately just have to dig harder to ensure you're looking at the content you intend to use. Legacy tags and 2024 & 2014 tags are littering everything so yeah, it absolutely blows. This website is absolute trash at this point without actual full functionality of filters to view the content you want to view and use.
Don't deny, the filter currently is terrible. You just have to grin and bear scrolling through a ton of repeat listings for each.
All common weapons is the one that's caused the biggest headache so far. If you're using 2014 rules and filtering with the 2014 rules tag during chargen, you're faced with an empty list. The other items I've noticed so far are the Crystal Ball and the Ring of Free Action. There's also admixing of spell lists—e.g. druids have access to Aid in 2024, but not in 2014. Yet if you create a 2014 druid, you can select the 2024 Aid spell.
And the thing is, 'unchanged' is questionable. For instance, the wording for Ring of Free Action has changed slightly, from "your speed" to "any of your speeds" as I recall. Does that make a practical difference? No, not at this point. But rules have changed before.
As well, it's not really 'unchanged' when they add features to common weapons that aren't available in the 2014 rules. It makes it harder to run games when the character sheet is cluttered up with information from a different ruleset.
And the plain fact is, DDB told us that "game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules." What's going on with these replacements isn't in keeping with that statement.
I understand the frustration with weapons, but 2014 characters do not have access to weapon masteries anyway since they need the 2024 class feature to access that. While it is annoying to see weapon masteries pop up, it is also not difficult to ignore either.
Similarly, while it is annoying to see 2024 stuff in tooltips pop up, the 2014 infomation is still there. If a tooltip does not tell you that there is a legacy version of a rule, then that means the rules has not changed.
I do not see what is wrong with Crystal Ball, and as you said yourself, Ring of Free Action has only a slight word change. I do not think a slight change in wording justifies the claim that they are replacing old items.
2014 Druid having access to 2024 Aid is intentional. People who wish to strictly use 2014 content will not use spells that are marked 2024 anyways. However, for people who use both rulesets like I do, giving 2014 Druids access to 2024 Aid is helpful since that means I do not have to homebrew a separate Aid spell just to give old druids access.
With all that said, there is nothing being replaced, and it is extremely unhelpful to spread misinformation and fear. I understand Beyond is no longer as convenient as it once was, and people are right to be upset about that. However, I do not like false claims and panic. I spent HOURS making homebrew copy-pasta of spells and magic items when the 2024 PHB was released, and I only stopped because they said they will not replace them. I do not tolerate panic and I will not waste hours like that again.
The problem isn't that things are being replaced, it's that there's zero option to be able to toggle off the 2024 content. You unfortunately just have to dig harder to ensure you're looking at the content you intend to use. Legacy tags and 2024 & 2014 tags are littering everything so yeah, it absolutely blows. This website is absolute trash at this point without actual full functionality of filters to view the content you want to view and use.
The problem is not things are being replaced, and I agree there absolutely should be a filter to help people exclude and sort things.
However, I am not okay with false claims and panic spreading around. I do not want to spend the rest of my vacation double checking each and every single magic item making sure everything is alright. I was paranoid enough to spend hours making homebrew copy-pasta last time, and I do not want a repeat of that experience.
With all that said, there is nothing being replaced, and it is extremely unhelpful to spread misinformation and fear. I understand Beyond is no longer as convenient as it once was, and people are right to be upset about that. However, I do not like false claims and panic. I spent HOURS making homebrew copy-pasta of spells and magic items when the 2024 PHB was released, and I only stopped because they said they will not replace them. I do not tolerate panic and I will not waste hours like that again.
Things literally are being replaced. It may be argued that the replacements don't matter, but the replacements have occurred. And the decreased convenience of using dndbeyond stems directly from the act of replacing rather than adding content. The difference between this and the update that had people homebrew copy-pasting stuff is one of degree, not type.
The way I see it, it massively affects new players. I'm in a party with a lot of new players, and they often click on things and look at descriptions in characters sheets to learn new rules. These have been replaced with the new rules, which they shouldn't be using. Additionally, I don't see why they give you 2024 spells on a 2014 character sheet. It would be easy to select spells by just using the legacy ones, but I have other sources such as Tasha's and Xanathar's Guides to Everything and a lot of spells from there that are not marked as legacy. For me, as a relatively experienced player, I could avoid such things, but this just needlessly complicated for new players.
Example: Upon immediate glance, the Longbow item was changed with the tag of “Slow”. The Longbow has never been slow, you could always fire it multiple times in a round as long as you had the attacks for it.
These are the little changes I speak of. An additional tag, a minor word change that reflects, etc. But the point of this discussion isnt “show me the changes”, the point is “we don’t want the changes in the first place”. That has always been the mantra for those of us still so deeply nested in the 2014 rules/games. We have ongoing campaigns, we have fully built out characters, we have 10 years of being used to the 5e 2014 rules. We didnt want to wake up one morning and go “hey, where’d that Item go that I had in my bags”.
The rest of the character builder has Legacy flags or 2014 rule flags for their stuff, Items should as well. Or the whole toggle at the beginning for 2014/2024. Oh wait, there is one, but it isn’t affecting items when it should.
With all that said, there is nothing being replaced, and it is extremely unhelpful to spread misinformation and fear. I understand Beyond is no longer as convenient as it once was, and people are right to be upset about that. However, I do not like false claims and panic. I spent HOURS making homebrew copy-pasta of spells and magic items when the 2024 PHB was released, and I only stopped because they said they will not replace them. I do not tolerate panic and I will not waste hours like that again.
Things literally are being replaced. It may be argued that the replacements don't matter, but the replacements have occurred. And the decreased convenience of using dndbeyond stems directly from the act of replacing rather than adding content. The difference between this and the update that had people homebrew copy-pasting stuff is one of degree, not type.
Things literally are not in any way that changes the rules. stop the misinformation it is ridiculous.
Example: Upon immediate glance, the Longbow item was changed with the tag of “Slow”. The Longbow has never been slow, you could always fire it multiple times in a round as long as you had the attacks for it.
One that is one of the new mastery abilities, so you can ignore it. Everything else is the same. Two, that doesn't mean what you assume it does. #facepalm All you've managed to show again, is an example already pointed out, that can easily be ignored. Nothing is actually replaced that changes old content.
" We didnt want to wake up one morning and go “hey, where’d that Item go that I had in my bags”."
And an imaginary scenario that isn't happening to justify a falsehood.
Lance was changed. It's damage went from a 1d12 to a 1d10, and it's not currently possible to add the correct version to 5e characters. The old version was indeed replaced.
It's a small issue, but annoying, and could have been avoided by allowing and planning for separation of the rules.
Lance was changed. It's damage went from a 1d12 to a 1d10, and it's not currently possible to add the correct version to 5e characters. The old version was indeed replaced.
It's a small issue, but annoying, and could have been avoided by allowing and planning for separation of the rules.
Hm, yep. It also doesn't have the disadvantage against creatures within 5'.
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There is absolutely no good reason to do this beyond making it harder to stick to the 2014 rules—forced obsolescence, in other words. This is exactly what DDB said they were NOT going to do after the huge backlash earlier this year. And here they are doing it anyway, after reassuring us they wouldn't.
Overwriting 2014 content with its 2024 equivalent was a mistake when it was announced. But overwriting 2014 content without any sort of notification does not speak well of DDB's trustworthiness to its subscribers.
We still have access to 2014 content in the character builder and character sheet. However, they changed the default set up to 2024 from 2014, and they are unlikely to change the default set up back, and you cannot turn 2024 content off.
Nothing was taken away besides convenience if you want strictly 2014 stuff.
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Items are being replaced. You can view their 2014 values by opening the relevant sourcebook, but on the magic item/equipment tables that interact with character sheets, items are being replaced.
Can you be more specific? As far as I am concerned, items that are "replaced" with a 2024 version, such as the Crystal Ball, only has their source updated from Basic Rules to Free Rules. Besides telling you where to look for it that is different, the item is essentially unchanged.
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The point here is that we DON'T want them to be "replaced" with a 2024 version of the item. There could be changes to stats, cost, weight, etc, which does not align with the 2014 rules that we are continuing to use.
It is the same scope as all the changes to feats and spells and class abilities, etc. We don't want the 2024 version, only the 2014 version.
I agree with you. I made my voice very clear that I did not like it when they announced they were replacing magic items with the new versions when the 2024 DMG comes out. However, they have walked back on that, and items have not been replaced.
I ask that people be SPECIFIC so that the issue can be confirmed and verified by multiple users. Being vague does NOT help. Fear mongering does NOT help. Misinformation does NOT help. If you have an issue, which SPECIFIC items are you having issues with?
I have not checked every item, but I checked adamantine armor, crystal ball, and animated shield. These items have been "replaced" so to speak, but the only change I see is cosmetic, in the bottom right corner where it tells you where to find it in the Free Rules; other than that, the item is essentially unchanged. If this is what the complaint is about, this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
You need to give examples. Cause explicitly the only things that were replaced in the code were things that were unchanged.
All common weapons is the one that's caused the biggest headache so far. If you're using 2014 rules and filtering with the 2014 rules tag during chargen, you're faced with an empty list. The other items I've noticed so far are the Crystal Ball and the Ring of Free Action. There's also admixing of spell lists—e.g. druids have access to Aid in 2024, but not in 2014. Yet if you create a 2014 druid, you can select the 2024 Aid spell.
And the thing is, 'unchanged' is questionable. For instance, the wording for Ring of Free Action has changed slightly, from "your speed" to "any of your speeds" as I recall. Does that make a practical difference? No, not at this point. But rules have changed before.
As well, it's not really 'unchanged' when they add features to common weapons that aren't available in the 2014 rules. It makes it harder to run games when the character sheet is cluttered up with information from a different ruleset.
And the plain fact is, DDB told us that "game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules." What's going on with these replacements isn't in keeping with that statement.
They aren't being replaced. Any items with actual changes have a duplicate entry, one for 2014 and one for 2024, both marked as such.
The only items that don't, are exactly the same as what they were before other than a bit of fluff perhaps removed.
That is literally a Sage Advice update, not a 2024 update. #facepalm
The problem isn't that things are being replaced, it's that there's zero option to be able to toggle off the 2024 content. You unfortunately just have to dig harder to ensure you're looking at the content you intend to use. Legacy tags and 2024 & 2014 tags are littering everything so yeah, it absolutely blows. This website is absolute trash at this point without actual full functionality of filters to view the content you want to view and use.
Don't deny, the filter currently is terrible. You just have to grin and bear scrolling through a ton of repeat listings for each.
I understand the frustration with weapons, but 2014 characters do not have access to weapon masteries anyway since they need the 2024 class feature to access that. While it is annoying to see weapon masteries pop up, it is also not difficult to ignore either.
Similarly, while it is annoying to see 2024 stuff in tooltips pop up, the 2014 infomation is still there. If a tooltip does not tell you that there is a legacy version of a rule, then that means the rules has not changed.
I do not see what is wrong with Crystal Ball, and as you said yourself, Ring of Free Action has only a slight word change. I do not think a slight change in wording justifies the claim that they are replacing old items.
2014 Druid having access to 2024 Aid is intentional. People who wish to strictly use 2014 content will not use spells that are marked 2024 anyways. However, for people who use both rulesets like I do, giving 2014 Druids access to 2024 Aid is helpful since that means I do not have to homebrew a separate Aid spell just to give old druids access.
With all that said, there is nothing being replaced, and it is extremely unhelpful to spread misinformation and fear. I understand Beyond is no longer as convenient as it once was, and people are right to be upset about that. However, I do not like false claims and panic. I spent HOURS making homebrew copy-pasta of spells and magic items when the 2024 PHB was released, and I only stopped because they said they will not replace them. I do not tolerate panic and I will not waste hours like that again.
The problem is not things are being replaced, and I agree there absolutely should be a filter to help people exclude and sort things.
However, I am not okay with false claims and panic spreading around. I do not want to spend the rest of my vacation double checking each and every single magic item making sure everything is alright. I was paranoid enough to spend hours making homebrew copy-pasta last time, and I do not want a repeat of that experience.
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Things literally are being replaced. It may be argued that the replacements don't matter, but the replacements have occurred. And the decreased convenience of using dndbeyond stems directly from the act of replacing rather than adding content. The difference between this and the update that had people homebrew copy-pasting stuff is one of degree, not type.
The way I see it, it massively affects new players. I'm in a party with a lot of new players, and they often click on things and look at descriptions in characters sheets to learn new rules. These have been replaced with the new rules, which they shouldn't be using. Additionally, I don't see why they give you 2024 spells on a 2014 character sheet. It would be easy to select spells by just using the legacy ones, but I have other sources such as Tasha's and Xanathar's Guides to Everything and a lot of spells from there that are not marked as legacy. For me, as a relatively experienced player, I could avoid such things, but this just needlessly complicated for new players.
…and then I swing him into a hedge.
Example: Upon immediate glance, the Longbow item was changed with the tag of “Slow”. The Longbow has never been slow, you could always fire it multiple times in a round as long as you had the attacks for it.
These are the little changes I speak of. An additional tag, a minor word change that reflects, etc. But the point of this discussion isnt “show me the changes”, the point is “we don’t want the changes in the first place”. That has always been the mantra for those of us still so deeply nested in the 2014 rules/games. We have ongoing campaigns, we have fully built out characters, we have 10 years of being used to the 5e 2014 rules. We didnt want to wake up one morning and go “hey, where’d that Item go that I had in my bags”.
The rest of the character builder has Legacy flags or 2014 rule flags for their stuff, Items should as well. Or the whole toggle at the beginning for 2014/2024. Oh wait, there is one, but it isn’t affecting items when it should.
Things literally are not in any way that changes the rules. stop the misinformation it is ridiculous.
One that is one of the new mastery abilities, so you can ignore it. Everything else is the same. Two, that doesn't mean what you assume it does. #facepalm
All you've managed to show again, is an example already pointed out, that can easily be ignored. Nothing is actually replaced that changes old content.
" We didnt want to wake up one morning and go “hey, where’d that Item go that I had in my bags”."
And an imaginary scenario that isn't happening to justify a falsehood.
Lance was changed. It's damage went from a 1d12 to a 1d10, and it's not currently possible to add the correct version to 5e characters. The old version was indeed replaced.
It's a small issue, but annoying, and could have been avoided by allowing and planning for separation of the rules.
2024Hm, yep. It also doesn't have the disadvantage against creatures within 5'.