no idea, i read the front page of 2024 setup and changed formats etc but when randomly using the various filters its a mess. they should have a filter option that says 2014 or 2024 instead.
I am a GM who runs 5e. I do not split the game along some arbitrary line on the calender into 2014 version or 2024 version. It is still the same game, and I mix and match rules as I please. Being able to toggle things on or off helps me run my games. But duplicating an item simply because some people cannot handle seeing Free Rules rather than Basic Rules in the citation or an easily ignorable weapon mastery passage is absolutely unreasonable that causes more inconvenience to more users than less.
Deliberately or not, you are misrepresenting the major objections we have to the way the 2024 addition/transition is being handled by ddb. The problem is that items are being substantially changed without notice, requiring 2014 players to resort to homebrew patches and/or wait for the ddb team to eventually(?) fix the affected items. This issue will only continue as more 2024 splatbooks come out.
That is compared to the truly onerous task you face if the items are separated: seeing duplicate in a dropdown. I'm not trying to be overly abrasive, here, but come on, man.
As far as I can see, the only substantial changes are to the lance and trident, because that actually affects gameplay.
A change in citation is not substantial. A change of few words with no impact on gameplay is not substantial. Adding in a passage about weapon mastery that does not even apply to 2014 classes is not substantial.
Drop down menu bloat is a real complaint that users have on this site.
Once again, man, it's not the existing changed equipment. It's the ongoing unsurety about parts of the game not being overwritten. If there were some kind of iron-clad guarantee that there would never again be any 2024 leaks into the 2014 rules, then these small issues wouldn't really be worth worrying about. But based on how things have gone so far, no such guarantee can be assumed.
I want to see legacy lance and legacy trident, because it actually impacts play when my players roll the dice on their character sheets. I do not want to see legacy short sword and 2024 short sword where the only difference is the inclusion of the mastery properties. That clogs up item drop down menu just because some people are allergic to seeing anything 2024. The item drop down menu is already clogged up as it is because Beyond cannot handle magic items that can transform, evolve, or have different variations.
I don't want to have to worry about watching for altered 2014 content every time a new 2024 splatbook comes out. Your concerns about clogged dropdowns can be easily resolved with slightly improved implementation of the existing filtering system. As has been suggested uncountably many times: all we need is a 2014 button. Boom, 2014 players don't have to worry about 2024 content, 2024 players don't have to worry about 2014 content.
I am a GM who runs 5e. I do not split the game along some arbitrary line on the calender into 2014 version or 2024 version. It is still the same game, and I mix and match rules as I please. Being able to toggle things on or off helps me run my games. But duplicating an item simply because some people cannot handle seeing Free Rules rather than Basic Rules in the citation or an easily ignorable weapon mastery passage is absolutely unreasonable that causes more inconvenience to more users than less.
That's you though. Most people don't run two versions of a game in tandem. It'll lead to balance issues and confused players. You're constantly half agreeing with the OP, who is justified in their thinking. If someone doesn't want 2024 version stuff it should not be pushed. But obviously it is going to be, as Hasbro want their money and don't want people playing 2014, which many of us have said for months.
Something affecting gameplay or not is not an acceptable line for new players. Maybe for you having non-functional features on an item is okay to hand wave it off, but for new players or players who don't care about the mechanics and just want to roleplay (I know many), this is going to cause headaches of constantly saying "no, ignore that bit". It's annoying and bad customer service. But again - shocker there with Hasbro and WotC these days.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
DM subscriber since I joined this website. Ended my subscription June 2024 due to the removal of individual purchases. Was the only reason I ever bothered with this website. I use it for character building for my players and occasional referencing. I don't want digital books that can be removed whenever the company sees fit.
January 2025: seems it was a correct move. They're removing 2014 content that we paid for in lieu of their new version of the game. You only rent content on here, never own.
I want to see legacy lance and legacy trident, because it actually impacts play when my players roll the dice on their character sheets. I do not want to see legacy short sword and 2024 short sword where the only difference is the inclusion of the mastery properties. That clogs up item drop down menu just because some people are allergic to seeing anything 2024. The item drop down menu is already clogged up as it is because Beyond cannot handle magic items that can transform, evolve, or have different variations.
I don't want to have to worry about watching for altered 2014 content every time a new 2024 splatbook comes out. Your concerns about clogged dropdowns can be easily resolved with slightly improved implementation of the existing filtering system. As has been suggested uncountably many times: all we need is a 2014 button. Boom, 2014 players don't have to worry about 2024 content, 2024 players don't have to worry about 2014 content.
I am a GM who runs 5e. I do not split the game along some arbitrary line on the calender into 2014 version or 2024 version. It is still the same game, and I mix and match rules as I please. Being able to toggle things on or off helps me run my games. But duplicating an item simply because some people cannot handle seeing Free Rules rather than Basic Rules in the citation or an easily ignorable weapon mastery passage is absolutely unreasonable that causes more inconvenience to more users than less.
That's you though. Most people don't run two versions of a game in tandem. It'll lead to balance issues and confused players. You're constantly half agreeing with the OP, who is justified in their thinking. If someone doesn't want 2024 version stuff it should not be pushed. But obviously it is going to be, as Hasbro want their money and don't want people playing 2014, which many of us have said for months.
Something affecting gameplay or not is not an acceptable line for new players. Maybe for you having non-functional features on an item is okay to hand wave it off, but for new players or players who don't care about the mechanics and just want to roleplay (I know many), this is going to cause headaches of constantly saying "no, ignore that bit". It's annoying and bad customer service. But again - shocker there with Hasbro and WotC these days.
Most people do not run games pure default and RAW 2014 nor 2024 games either, and people can still adapt just fine. Mixing and matching old and new rules is no different from homebrewing.
I only agree an item should be duplicated if the changes are significant. The only items replaced so far that have significant changes are the lance, trident, and their derivative magic items.
Duplicating every item is unacceptable for me, and if that did happen, even more users will be unhappy. The current system where duplication is only for significant changes is I what want Beyond to keep.
For players who do not care about the mechanics, they are not going to stick to RAW anyways, and I do not see how ignoring a passage is an issue. For new players who are not familiar with the rules, the weapon mastery passage literally tells them that they need 2024 class feature for it to work.
Personally I shouldn’t have to do the job of having to constantly remind and tell others what to ignore and what isn’t core 2014 just because a handful of people who run a site are too lazy to implement a source toggle that keeps the 2024 content separate from 2014 content while the site is in the middle of a transition.
By just simply stating a user MUST simply ignore it is a good indication that rather then actually implementing a way to keep the content separate, it’s just cheaper and easier to force users to accept broken and inconsistent material that most users don’t want to have to deal with until they have the time and resources to fully understand.
And FYI, no I personally shouldn’t have to waste time having to double check each and every character created to make sure any non-authorized 2024 content is included and required to be “ignored” simply because some lazy programmer or company couldn’t listen to a significant portion of the userbase and make a simple toggle that blocks the 2024 material from the 2014 material.
If those who want to cross breed the two systems, then for them turning off a 2024 only, or 2014 only toggle would be an easier solution, but sadly that is never going to be possible as it has been clearly established that 2024 material will be used to completely overwrite and replace the 2014 material whether the community likes it or not.
With a site shutdown and maintenance scheduled to start in a few days, to obviously implement the new Monster Manual content, if the ability of this site to implement a content separation toggle isn’t utilized then a separation will never happen, and more 2014 material will be overwritten with the same lame excuse of “well you can just ignore it”.
Sorry but no, I will not simply just ignore it, as the ability to separate them is far easier to achieve on the server side than it is on the client side, and forcing users to accept inconsistent and unreliable data that has the ability to change at any time without formal notice is not just an inconvenience, but by just ignoring it is almost a means of stating the acceptance of the fact that at anytime the site can change anything at anytime and everyone is fine with it.
I am personally not fine with having 2024 content shoved up my or other users/peoples rear end, and i’m not alone in this sentiment. if DDB and Wizbro are unwilling to take the time to improve the user experience, then why the hell should anyone be willing to use or promote a service that does nothing to accommodate the majority of the users.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
I want to see legacy lance and legacy trident, because it actually impacts play when my players roll the dice on their character sheets. I do not want to see legacy short sword and 2024 short sword where the only difference is the inclusion of the mastery properties. That clogs up item drop down menu just because some people are allergic to seeing anything 2024. The item drop down menu is already clogged up as it is because Beyond cannot handle magic items that can transform, evolve, or have different variations.
I don't want to have to worry about watching for altered 2014 content every time a new 2024 splatbook comes out. Your concerns about clogged dropdowns can be easily resolved with slightly improved implementation of the existing filtering system. As has been suggested uncountably many times: all we need is a 2014 button. Boom, 2014 players don't have to worry about 2024 content, 2024 players don't have to worry about 2014 content.
I am a GM who runs 5e. I do not split the game along some arbitrary line on the calender into 2014 version or 2024 version. It is still the same game, and I mix and match rules as I please. Being able to toggle things on or off helps me run my games. But duplicating an item simply because some people cannot handle seeing Free Rules rather than Basic Rules in the citation or an easily ignorable weapon mastery passage is absolutely unreasonable that causes more inconvenience to more users than less.
Then for you, it would be a matter of not toggling either toggle. A clever solution for all. If someone wants only one version, they hit a toggle. Someone not fussed? They don't engage with the toggle and life moves on.
What the OP and a few others are asking for is essentially a duplicate of every item. Having a toggle on for both means I am seeing every item twice. The item drop down menu is already bloated as it is because Beyond's system cannot handle items that have variants or can change.
I do not mind seeing lance, trident, and other items twice since they have been changed and are mechanically distinct.
However, I do not want to see short swords twice where the only difference between them is that one has a mastery property passage and the other does not.
You already see them, so I fail to see what the error is here. You're content for it to remain as is, so it's not a problem for you. Plus, you like to mix and match rules anyways.
Once again, man, it's not the existing changed equipment. It's the ongoing unsurety about parts of the game not being overwritten. If there were some kind of iron-clad guarantee that there would never again be any 2024 leaks into the 2014 rules, then these small issues wouldn't really be worth worrying about. But based on how things have gone so far, no such guarantee can be assumed.
If you are asking Beyond to completely isolate 2024 from 2014 rules, that is impossible on a practical level and they will not guarantee that. There is always going to be some leakage, but those leakages will be clearly marked and identified. For example, tool tips display both the old and new rules, and I do not think the existing framework has the ability to use toggles to give users alternate tooltips. For items, it makes sense for items that have been significantly changed to be duplicated. However, it does not make sense for items that have little to no changes to be duplicated.
Personally I shouldn’t have to do the job of having to constantly remind and tell others what to ignore and what isn’t core 2014 just because a handful of people who run a site are too lazy to implement a source toggle that keeps the 2024 content separate from 2014 content while the site is in the middle of a transition.
...
I am personally not fine with having 2024 content shoved up my or other users/peoples rear end, and i’m not alone in this sentiment. if DDB and Wizbro are unwilling to take the time to improve the user experience, then why the hell should anyone be willing to use or promote a service that does nothing to accommodate the majority of the users.
You do not have to tell others to ignore the passage. The passage itself literally states that weapon mastery is only for 2024 classes with that class feature. People can read for themselves.
Users are not a monolith. I am pretty sure more users will be upset if there is a duplicate of every item that has little to no changes. Duplicating weapons over the inclusion of weapon mastery is not reasonable to most users.
You already see them, so I fail to see what the error is here. You're content for it to remain as is, so it's not a problem for you. Plus, you like to mix and match rules anyways.
I do not see a duplicate of every item. I only see duplicate of items that have significant changes, and I want it to be kept that way. I am content with that implementation, and I do not want them to change that.
However, there are still issues that need to be fixed, such as lance and trident.
Once again, man, it's not the existing changed equipment. It's the ongoing unsurety about parts of the game not being overwritten. If there were some kind of iron-clad guarantee that there would never again be any 2024 leaks into the 2014 rules, then these small issues wouldn't really be worth worrying about. But based on how things have gone so far, no such guarantee can be assumed.
If you are asking Beyond to completely isolate 2024 from 2014 rules, that is impossible on a practical level and they will not guarantee that. There is always going to be some leakage, but those leakages will be clearly marked and identified. For example, tool tips display both the old and new rules, and I do not think the existing framework has the ability to use toggles to give users alternate tooltips. For items, it makes sense for items that have been significantly changed to be duplicated. However, it does not make sense for items that have little to no changes to be duplicated.
Personally I shouldn’t have to do the job of having to constantly remind and tell others what to ignore and what isn’t core 2014 just because a handful of people who run a site are too lazy to implement a source toggle that keeps the 2024 content separate from 2014 content while the site is in the middle of a transition.
...
I am personally not fine with having 2024 content shoved up my or other users/peoples rear end, and i’m not alone in this sentiment. if DDB and Wizbro are unwilling to take the time to improve the user experience, then why the hell should anyone be willing to use or promote a service that does nothing to accommodate the majority of the users.
You do not have to tell others to ignore the passage. The passage itself literally states that weapon mastery is only for 2024 classes with that class feature. People can read for themselves.
Users are not a monolith. I am pretty sure more users will be upset if there is a duplicate of every item that has little to no changes. Duplicating weapons over the inclusion of weapon mastery is not reasonable to most users.
You already see them, so I fail to see what the error is here. You're content for it to remain as is, so it's not a problem for you. Plus, you like to mix and match rules anyways.
I do not see a duplicate of every item. I only see duplicate of items that have significant changes, and I want it to be kept that way. I am content with that implementation, and I do not want them to change that.
However, there are still issues that need to be fixed, such as lance and trident.
And yea, DDB going back on their word and Surprise!
A simple toggle to allow just 2014 or just 2024 material was a possibility but no, just slowly change the 2014 material to 2024 and they are just going to accept it.
Total bs IMHOO, now even the 2014 basic rules are getting changed to 2024 and nothing of 2014 will remain. WTH?
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
Once again, man, it's not the existing changed equipment. It's the ongoing unsurety about parts of the game not being overwritten. If there were some kind of iron-clad guarantee that there would never again be any 2024 leaks into the 2014 rules, then these small issues wouldn't really be worth worrying about. But based on how things have gone so far, no such guarantee can be assumed.
If you are asking Beyond to completely isolate 2024 from 2014 rules, that is impossible on a practical level and they will not guarantee that. There is always going to be some leakage, but those leakages will be clearly marked and identified. For example, tool tips display both the old and new rules, and I do not think the existing framework has the ability to use toggles to give users alternate tooltips. For items, it makes sense for items that have been significantly changed to be duplicated. However, it does not make sense for items that have little to no changes to be duplicated.
Personally I shouldn’t have to do the job of having to constantly remind and tell others what to ignore and what isn’t core 2014 just because a handful of people who run a site are too lazy to implement a source toggle that keeps the 2024 content separate from 2014 content while the site is in the middle of a transition.
...
I am personally not fine with having 2024 content shoved up my or other users/peoples rear end, and i’m not alone in this sentiment. if DDB and Wizbro are unwilling to take the time to improve the user experience, then why the hell should anyone be willing to use or promote a service that does nothing to accommodate the majority of the users.
You do not have to tell others to ignore the passage. The passage itself literally states that weapon mastery is only for 2024 classes with that class feature. People can read for themselves.
Users are not a monolith. I am pretty sure more users will be upset if there is a duplicate of every item that has little to no changes. Duplicating weapons over the inclusion of weapon mastery is not reasonable to most users.
You already see them, so I fail to see what the error is here. You're content for it to remain as is, so it's not a problem for you. Plus, you like to mix and match rules anyways.
I do not see a duplicate of every item. I only see duplicate of items that have significant changes, and I want it to be kept that way. I am content with that implementation, and I do not want them to change that.
However, there are still issues that need to be fixed, such as lance and trident.
All of the rules that have a legacy version have that text at the very bottom of the box. It's hardly an impact on you if there's a duplicate version of other things. You can always just ignore those if you don't need them. After all, it's not that much of an impact to you currently with the dual content. With toggles, we can switch off the content we don't need (whichever that is) and you can leave or toggle as desired.
But with all that content that you can readily go through with those double details at this present time, I still don't see what the problem is. It's not too hard to just not interact with the version you didn't want if that was the case.
And yea, DDB going back on their word and Surprise!
A simple toggle to allow just 2014 or just 2024 material was a possibility but no, just slowly change the 2014 material to 2024 and they are just going to accept it.
Total bs IMHOO, now even the 2014 basic rules are getting changed to 2024 and nothing of 2014 will remain. WTH?
As another user there have mentioned, there is no point in having duplicates if there is little to no change.
It is the solution that most users on Beyond are okay with. Most users are not okay with duplicating every item single item.
All of the rules that have a legacy version have that text at the very bottom of the box. It's hardly an impact on you if there's a duplicate version of other things. You can always just ignore those if you don't need them. After all, it's not that much of an impact to you currently with the dual content. With toggles, we can switch off the content we don't need (whichever that is) and you can leave or toggle as desired.
But with all that content that you can readily go through with those double details at this present time, I still don't see what the problem is. It's not too hard to just not interact with the version you didn't want if that was the case.
I do not know what else to say besides that there are more users who prefer the current implementation than not, and Beyond would rather inconvenience a minority of users than a majority of users. I do not want to see an item duplicated if the only changes are cosmetic. I do want to see items duplicated if there are significant changes.
The item drop down menu is already extremely bloated as is. I am not okay with seeing dozens and dozens of variations of dragon scale mail, armors of resistance, Ioun stones, etc.; it makes finding and scrolling through items a pain in the ass. It would be nice if Beyond's system and software is better, and allow magic items to be more customizable, so we do not need to have multiple entries of certain magic items. However, given the system's limitations, while I might not be completely okay with the implementation, I accept its limitations and find the implementation bearable.
Once again, man, it's not the existing changed equipment. It's the ongoing unsurety about parts of the game not being overwritten. If there were some kind of iron-clad guarantee that there would never again be any 2024 leaks into the 2014 rules, then these small issues wouldn't really be worth worrying about. But based on how things have gone so far, no such guarantee can be assumed.
If you are asking Beyond to completely isolate 2024 from 2014 rules, that is impossible on a practical level and they will not guarantee that. There is always going to be some leakage, but those leakages will be clearly marked and identified. For example, tool tips display both the old and new rules, and I do not think the existing framework has the ability to use toggles to give users alternate tooltips. For items, it makes sense for items that have been significantly changed to be duplicated. However, it does not make sense for items that have little to no changes to be duplicated.
[Redacted]
For hopefully the last time: 2014 players cannot trust DDB not to overwrite their equipment with 2024 versions. That is the major issue. Future items. Ongoing issues.
As for the difficulty of separating the rules: speaking as someone with experience working with databases, it is not at all impossible. It's actually incredibly easy. It's actually not even hard to implement a solution that would avoid players having to view duplicate items in a dropdown, if that's deemed important.
It is the solution that most users on Beyond are okay with. Most users are not okay with duplicating every item single item.
Er, source? Most users were absolutely up in arms this past summer when Wizards said they weren't going to duplicate every single item and spell. It was a really big deal.
For hopefully the last time: 2014 players cannot trust DDB not to overwrite their equipment with 2024 versions. That is the major issue. Future items. Ongoing issues.
As for the difficulty of separating the rules: speaking as someone with experience working with databases, it is not at all impossible. It's actually incredibly easy. It's actually not even hard to implement a solution that would avoid players having to view duplicate items in a dropdown, if that's deemed important.
Er, source? Most users were absolutely up in arms this past summer when Wizards said they weren't going to duplicate every single item and spell. It was a really big deal.
Why would WotC give you a free item when they could (and have) just thrown it under a new product title that you have to pay money to access? The only stuff that even shows up are part of the free rules, which won't see changes once the monsters are finally loaded into it.
If it was incredibly easy, why not build an example of how it is done? I see external software devs on this site all the time offering support for their extensions. Surely your solution is less complicated than what they have made.
Most people were frustrated over the summer because they thought they were going to lose access to the things they had purchased and needed to do the work themselves to homebrew hundreds of items. The user you are talking to was one of the frustrated users, actually. If they aren't upset now, maybe you should try understanding why that is the case. Once everyone learned that their old items were safe and sound, very few had problems with the arrangement, which is why the voices on this issue are reduced to a handful spread over three or four threads instead of literally hundreds of users pounding their keyboards into pieces.
And yea, DDB going back on their word and Surprise!
A simple toggle to allow just 2014 or just 2024 material was a possibility but no, just slowly change the 2014 material to 2024 and they are just going to accept it.
Total bs IMHOO, now even the 2014 basic rules are getting changed to 2024 and nothing of 2014 will remain. WTH?
As another user there have mentioned, there is no point in having duplicates if there is little to no change.
It is the solution that most users on Beyond are okay with. Most users are not okay with duplicating every item single item.
No, the problem is you and others don’t care for 2014 rules and could care less about anything unless it directly affects you.
Not everyone is interested in the 2024 at the moment, and the insistence that absolutely everyone should be switching to a set of rules that are absolutely ridiculous as a revision when we were assured that users would not have material changed is as careless as ever, and because of others like yourself who are willing to just “ignore” the fact that both this site and the company that owns it have consistently ignored the majority of users that have repeatedly complained about the lack of transparency about changes to the site and when changes would occur, well the fact that this thread is about how DDB and Wizbro has been slowly and methodically switching out elements of the 2014 core rules with 2024 material well after they( Wizbro ) said they weren’t going to continue changing material is just another example of the community told one thing and getting shafted by the other.
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
For hopefully the last time: 2014 players cannot trust DDB not to overwrite their equipment with 2024 versions. That is the major issue. Future items. Ongoing issues.
As for the difficulty of separating the rules: speaking as someone with experience working with databases, it is not at all impossible. It's actually incredibly easy. It's actually not even hard to implement a solution that would avoid players having to view duplicate items in a dropdown, if that's deemed important.
Er, source? Most users were absolutely up in arms this past summer when Wizards said they weren't going to duplicate every single item and spell. It was a really big deal.
Why would WotC give you a free item when they could (and have) just thrown it under a new product title that you have to pay money to access? The only stuff that even shows up are part of the free rules, which won't see changes once the monsters are finally loaded into it.
If it was incredibly easy, why not build an example of how it is done? I see external software devs on this site all the time offering support for their extensions. Surely your solution is less complicated than what they have made.
Most people were frustrated over the summer because they thought they were going to lose access to the things they had purchased and needed to do the work themselves to homebrew hundreds of items. The user you are talking to was one of the frustrated users, actually. If they aren't upset now, maybe you should try understanding why that is the case. Once everyone learned that their old items were safe and sound, very few had problems with the arrangement, which is why the voices on this issue are reduced to a handful spread over three or four threads instead of literally hundreds of users pounding their keyboards into pieces.
They didn't give me a free item, they took away the item that I payed for when I bought the online version of the 2014 PHB—the item I could use on the interactive character sheet at the center of their service—and replaced it with the 2024 version. Which has differing stats in several cases, and now I have to be on watch for future changed items with differing stats.
The existing site already shows how it would be done. You can already select between 2014 and 2024 versions of most items. It's so simple, they already did it. To fully implement it, all they'd need to do is
add back in the 2014 versions of items and tag them as 2014
have the default filter preferentially show 2024 versions (so if there is no 2024 version, show the 2014 version)
add a 2014-only filter. With that, everybody would be happy. 2014 players would get 2014 versions. 2024 players would get everything, but only the newest version, with no duplicates. Et voila.
I understand why they're not upset now: because the new changes don't affect their table. They don't have to be on the lookout for new changes that leak through to their table. They don't have to homebrew anything. They're happy letting people who don't play the way they do struggle.
There is absolutely no good reason to do this beyond making it harder to stick to the 2014 rules—forced obsolescence, in other words. This is exactly what DDB said they were NOT going to do after the huge backlash earlier this year. And here they are doing it anyway, after reassuring us they wouldn't.
Overwriting 2014 content with its 2024 equivalent was a mistake when it was announced. But overwriting 2014 content without any sort of notification does not speak well of DDB's trustworthiness to its subscribers.
First I am not happy with the replacements 2014 contents with 2024 contents, i wished they had an 2014 lance and 2024 lance, but it it is not so. The other point " where they say theere will not be overwritten entries"? Saved Infos from my mind say the say or wrote it. But searching for it I didnt' found it, watching a youtube interview with J. Crawford he say the following "you can play with your 2014 charcters, new content will be added and other will replaced." I assumed it and many other to there wil nothing old changed , but i see or hear nothing where sthey say it explicit.
But you are right too, if they changed old content there a notification in which ever: - popup window if opening character - or global messagfe post where they print a complete list of 2014 replacements in.
And this is really not a good styl/behaviour from DDB, for that I write a neagative feedback too. If someone can point out a source where they explicit say no 2014 content will not be replaced or overwritten, then post it here.
If so there was an announcement where they say/write explicit " not to change or overwrite 2014 contents" I will add it to my negative feedback. I think I will send them next days or ltest next weekend.
taking away items is really a bad behaiour from DDB, i hvave bought both PHB's so i cannot check it. But I agree that this should not happen.
If someone can point out a source where they explicit say no 2014 content will not be replaced or overwritten, then post it here.
It's in the link:
Will my previous character sheets be affected?
The game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules.
in 2 years there will be no 2014. only the people that have the old paper books would even buy the so called digital book online in here. no one new to the game would buy 2014 pb dm mm at all. they would purchase the 2024 only. the reason why a lot of us are upset on here is because we spent money and its being changed, hidden, hard to find, being phased out. we are kind of tired of being nickel and dimed to death every time. funny thing is most of us would go completely 2024 if they didn't half azz the PB subclasses. why make a great book and leave out half the subclasses? clearly, they will have PB2 it seems and be required to purchase it too.
in 2 years there will be no 2014. only the people that have the old paper books would even buy the so called digital book online in here. no one new to the game would buy 2014 pb dm mm at all. they would purchase the 2024 only. the reason why a lot of us are upset on here is because we spent money and its being changed, hidden, hard to find, being phased out. we are kind of tired of being nickel and dimed to death every time. funny thing is most of us would go completely 2024 if they didn't half azz the PB subclasses. why make a great book and leave out half the subclasses? clearly, they will have PB2 it seems and be required to purchase it too.
And what happens when the next edition comes out? People will get the same experience, this is not a platform to buy into.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
no idea, i read the front page of 2024 setup and changed formats etc but when randomly using the various filters its a mess. they should have a filter option that says 2014 or 2024 instead.
Is there a way to select a 2014 Lance that’s a D12 instead of a 2024 Lance that’s a d10?
Even the “Dragon Lance” from Fizban’s (a 2014 rules book) that was a d12 has been changed to a d10 for whatever reason.
Once again, man, it's not the existing changed equipment. It's the ongoing unsurety about parts of the game not being overwritten. If there were some kind of iron-clad guarantee that there would never again be any 2024 leaks into the 2014 rules, then these small issues wouldn't really be worth worrying about. But based on how things have gone so far, no such guarantee can be assumed.
That's you though. Most people don't run two versions of a game in tandem. It'll lead to balance issues and confused players. You're constantly half agreeing with the OP, who is justified in their thinking. If someone doesn't want 2024 version stuff it should not be pushed. But obviously it is going to be, as Hasbro want their money and don't want people playing 2014, which many of us have said for months.
Something affecting gameplay or not is not an acceptable line for new players. Maybe for you having non-functional features on an item is okay to hand wave it off, but for new players or players who don't care about the mechanics and just want to roleplay (I know many), this is going to cause headaches of constantly saying "no, ignore that bit". It's annoying and bad customer service. But again - shocker there with Hasbro and WotC these days.
DM subscriber since I joined this website. Ended my subscription June 2024 due to the removal of individual purchases. Was the only reason I ever bothered with this website. I use it for character building for my players and occasional referencing. I don't want digital books that can be removed whenever the company sees fit.
January 2025: seems it was a correct move. They're removing 2014 content that we paid for in lieu of their new version of the game. You only rent content on here, never own.
Most people do not run games pure default and RAW 2014 nor 2024 games either, and people can still adapt just fine. Mixing and matching old and new rules is no different from homebrewing.
I only agree an item should be duplicated if the changes are significant. The only items replaced so far that have significant changes are the lance, trident, and their derivative magic items.
Duplicating every item is unacceptable for me, and if that did happen, even more users will be unhappy. The current system where duplication is only for significant changes is I what want Beyond to keep.
For players who do not care about the mechanics, they are not going to stick to RAW anyways, and I do not see how ignoring a passage is an issue. For new players who are not familiar with the rules, the weapon mastery passage literally tells them that they need 2024 class feature for it to work.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
Personally I shouldn’t have to do the job of having to constantly remind and tell others what to ignore and what isn’t core 2014 just because a handful of people who run a site are too lazy to implement a source toggle that keeps the 2024 content separate from 2014 content while the site is in the middle of a transition.
By just simply stating a user MUST simply ignore it is a good indication that rather then actually implementing a way to keep the content separate, it’s just cheaper and easier to force users to accept broken and inconsistent material that most users don’t want to have to deal with until they have the time and resources to fully understand.
And FYI, no I personally shouldn’t have to waste time having to double check each and every character created to make sure any non-authorized 2024 content is included and required to be “ignored” simply because some lazy programmer or company couldn’t listen to a significant portion of the userbase and make a simple toggle that blocks the 2024 material from the 2014 material.
If those who want to cross breed the two systems, then for them turning off a 2024 only, or 2014 only toggle would be an easier solution, but sadly that is never going to be possible as it has been clearly established that 2024 material will be used to completely overwrite and replace the 2014 material whether the community likes it or not.
With a site shutdown and maintenance scheduled to start in a few days, to obviously implement the new Monster Manual content, if the ability of this site to implement a content separation toggle isn’t utilized then a separation will never happen, and more 2014 material will be overwritten with the same lame excuse of “well you can just ignore it”.
Sorry but no, I will not simply just ignore it, as the ability to separate them is far easier to achieve on the server side than it is on the client side, and forcing users to accept inconsistent and unreliable data that has the ability to change at any time without formal notice is not just an inconvenience, but by just ignoring it is almost a means of stating the acceptance of the fact that at anytime the site can change anything at anytime and everyone is fine with it.
I am personally not fine with having 2024 content shoved up my or other users/peoples rear end, and i’m not alone in this sentiment. if DDB and Wizbro are unwilling to take the time to improve the user experience, then why the hell should anyone be willing to use or promote a service that does nothing to accommodate the majority of the users.
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
You already see them, so I fail to see what the error is here. You're content for it to remain as is, so it's not a problem for you. Plus, you like to mix and match rules anyways.
If you are asking Beyond to completely isolate 2024 from 2014 rules, that is impossible on a practical level and they will not guarantee that. There is always going to be some leakage, but those leakages will be clearly marked and identified. For example, tool tips display both the old and new rules, and I do not think the existing framework has the ability to use toggles to give users alternate tooltips. For items, it makes sense for items that have been significantly changed to be duplicated. However, it does not make sense for items that have little to no changes to be duplicated.
You do not have to tell others to ignore the passage. The passage itself literally states that weapon mastery is only for 2024 classes with that class feature. People can read for themselves.
Users are not a monolith. I am pretty sure more users will be upset if there is a duplicate of every item that has little to no changes. Duplicating weapons over the inclusion of weapon mastery is not reasonable to most users.
I do not see a duplicate of every item. I only see duplicate of items that have significant changes, and I want it to be kept that way. I am content with that implementation, and I do not want them to change that.
However, there are still issues that need to be fixed, such as lance and trident.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
Oddly enough:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/general-discussion/214277-was-there-an-update-to-how-ddb-lists-magic-items?comment=1
And yea, DDB going back on their word and Surprise!
A simple toggle to allow just 2014 or just 2024 material was a possibility but no, just slowly change the 2014 material to 2024 and they are just going to accept it.
Total bs IMHOO, now even the 2014 basic rules are getting changed to 2024 and nothing of 2014 will remain. WTH?
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
All of the rules that have a legacy version have that text at the very bottom of the box. It's hardly an impact on you if there's a duplicate version of other things. You can always just ignore those if you don't need them. After all, it's not that much of an impact to you currently with the dual content. With toggles, we can switch off the content we don't need (whichever that is) and you can leave or toggle as desired.
But with all that content that you can readily go through with those double details at this present time, I still don't see what the problem is. It's not too hard to just not interact with the version you didn't want if that was the case.
As another user there have mentioned, there is no point in having duplicates if there is little to no change.
It is the solution that most users on Beyond are okay with. Most users are not okay with duplicating every item single item.
I do not know what else to say besides that there are more users who prefer the current implementation than not, and Beyond would rather inconvenience a minority of users than a majority of users. I do not want to see an item duplicated if the only changes are cosmetic. I do want to see items duplicated if there are significant changes.
The item drop down menu is already extremely bloated as is. I am not okay with seeing dozens and dozens of variations of dragon scale mail, armors of resistance, Ioun stones, etc.; it makes finding and scrolling through items a pain in the ass. It would be nice if Beyond's system and software is better, and allow magic items to be more customizable, so we do not need to have multiple entries of certain magic items. However, given the system's limitations, while I might not be completely okay with the implementation, I accept its limitations and find the implementation bearable.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
[Redacted]
For hopefully the last time: 2014 players cannot trust DDB not to overwrite their equipment with 2024 versions. That is the major issue. Future items. Ongoing issues.
As for the difficulty of separating the rules: speaking as someone with experience working with databases, it is not at all impossible. It's actually incredibly easy. It's actually not even hard to implement a solution that would avoid players having to view duplicate items in a dropdown, if that's deemed important.
Er, source? Most users were absolutely up in arms this past summer when Wizards said they weren't going to duplicate every single item and spell. It was a really big deal.
DM mostly, Player occasionally | Session 0 form | He/Him/They/Them
EXTENDED SIGNATURE!
Doctor/Published Scholar/Science and Healthcare Advocate/Critter/Trekkie/Gandalf with a Glock
Try DDB free: Free Rules (2024), premade PCs, adventures, one shots, encounters, SC, homebrew, more
Answers: physical books, purchases, and subbing.
Check out my life-changing
No, the problem is you and others don’t care for 2014 rules and could care less about anything unless it directly affects you.
Not everyone is interested in the 2024 at the moment, and the insistence that absolutely everyone should be switching to a set of rules that are absolutely ridiculous as a revision when we were assured that users would not have material changed is as careless as ever, and because of others like yourself who are willing to just “ignore” the fact that both this site and the company that owns it have consistently ignored the majority of users that have repeatedly complained about the lack of transparency about changes to the site and when changes would occur, well the fact that this thread is about how DDB and Wizbro has been slowly and methodically switching out elements of the 2014 core rules with 2024 material well after they( Wizbro ) said they weren’t going to continue changing material is just another example of the community told one thing and getting shafted by the other.
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
With that, everybody would be happy. 2014 players would get 2014 versions. 2024 players would get everything, but only the newest version, with no duplicates. Et voila.
First I am not happy with the replacements 2014 contents with 2024 contents, i wished they had an 2014 lance and 2024 lance, but it it is not so.
The other point " where they say theere will not be overwritten entries"?
Saved Infos from my mind say the say or wrote it.
But searching for it I didnt' found it, watching a youtube interview with J. Crawford he say the following "you can play with your 2014 charcters, new content will be added and other will replaced." I assumed it and many other to there wil nothing old changed , but i see or hear nothing where sthey say it explicit.
But you are right too, if they changed old content there a notification in which ever:
- popup window if opening character
- or global messagfe post where they print a complete list of 2014 replacements in.
And this is really not a good styl/behaviour from DDB, for that I write a neagative feedback too.
If someone can point out a source where they explicit say no 2014 content will not be replaced or overwritten, then post it here.
If so there was an announcement where they say/write explicit " not to change or overwrite 2014 contents" I will add it to my negative feedback.
I think I will send them next days or ltest next weekend.
taking away items is really a bad behaiour from DDB, i hvave bought both PHB's so i cannot check it.
But I agree that this should not happen.
It's in the link:
in 2 years there will be no 2014. only the people that have the old paper books would even buy the so called digital book online in here. no one new to the game would buy 2014 pb dm mm at all. they would purchase the 2024 only. the reason why a lot of us are upset on here is because we spent money and its being changed, hidden, hard to find, being phased out. we are kind of tired of being nickel and dimed to death every time. funny thing is most of us would go completely 2024 if they didn't half azz the PB subclasses. why make a great book and leave out half the subclasses? clearly, they will have PB2 it seems and be required to purchase it too.
And what happens when the next edition comes out? People will get the same experience, this is not a platform to buy into.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
they will take 2024 out for 10 to 14 years and make a new version update of 5e. remember the push is to go all digital.