Does anyone else feel like the topics in this thread have been discussed to death? Railing against the challenges that are inherent in the copyrighting, licensing, and sale of products sold in both physical and electronic formats doesn't change any of the realities of how it all works. And we certainly can't hold Curse accountable for any aspect of any of those challenges.
Curse has explained (clearly and reasonably) the obstacles that are inherent in licensing, packaging, and selling the content available here. There are some nuances that make purchasing D&D content in two different formats feel a bit new and unfamiliar at first and I can understand the desire to question certain aspects of it, but the answers to these questions won't change the second, third, fourth, or hundredth time they're answered. I empathize with anyone who doesn't love the idea of purchasing content twice, but authenticating ownership of physical purchases apart from D&DB would be a logistical nightmare and the legal terms and conditions of Curse's agreement with WotC don't bend to negative forum posts.
D&DB is a fantastic value and there is an array of purchasing options for those who wish to get granular in purchasing only specific chunks of content. As someone who has been leveraging the legendary bundle and master tier subscription for a good while now, I can personally, confidently affirm that this platform (while still maturing) is totally awesome and that the dev team supporting it do a great job of engaging with the community. I was skeptical at first and unsure of whether or not I should invest in Curse and in D&DB. Now that I have, though, I know that we're paying for so much more than the actual, printed content of D&D manuals--we're getting a huge interactive suite of tools that will only mature more over time (and that already bring tons of benefit to those using them at or away from the table). You can easily tell that the D&DB team and the moderators in these forums live and breathe D&D and that will only continue to benefit us, the community, as development progresses.
The longer this thread stays open, it just seems to get more and more vitriolic and less and less useful. If you need proof, just wait, and observe the posts that quote this one and attempt to refute it by slinging mud with no underlying substance.
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"There is a wide world out there, my friend, full of pain, but filled with joy as well. The former keeps you on the path of growth, and the latter makes the journey tolerable." --Montolio Debrouchee
I agree with you, but they keep the thread open because haters are going to hate and at least here they’re corralled, instead of a proliferation of, “Curse are the mafia” threads throughout the forums. I come for lols but try not to answer anymore.
I own the Lost Mine of Phandelver irl, but I couldn't find a way to put it on D&D beyond if I have a campaign I'm playing online. Is there a way to put it on that I haven't seen or do I have to buy it again to get it online?
Hi,
I moved your post here because it is a more appropriate section of the forum.
The short answer is no, there is no way to redeem the digital book with the purchase of the physical one.
I'm from France and I'm wondering if you have plan to translate your tools ? I'm not fluent in English but I'm using English every day for my jobs so it's not really an issue for me but it is for my players.
It would be interesting to have the tools translated, even if it's only the character/campaign manager and the basic rules.
I'm from France and I'm wondering if you have plan to translate your tools ? I'm not fluent in English but I'm using English every day for my jobs so it's not really an issue for me but it is for my players.
It would be interesting to have the tools translated, even if it's only the character/campaign manager and the basic rules.
Thanks.
Hi PadRpg! o/
It has been confirmed by the staff that the platform and content will be available in other languages as well, but before that happens there needs to be a deal with the different publishers of the localised versions.
So, short answer should be: yes, but we don't know when.
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There is a way to make this work the way some are requesting.
If there was a single provider for the digital content, whose sole purpose was to provide an API to look up compendium data, OAuth could be used to authorize that data across multiple services, allowing the "horses" to be sold using the existing models (book by book, component by component), and the end services (FG, Roll20, DDB) would only be responsible for the "saddles", i.e. the interface and tooling. They could sell licenses for premium versions of the product, but wouldn't get a cut of the WOTC content.
I have sent a message to Wizards relating to this exact point. in the Google/Facebook/Twitch/Microsoft/Apple world we live in, oauth is everywhere. Wizards just needs to figure out that they could charge for the digital copies in pdf readable form on their site, and it would be linked to whatever oauth provider I want my content linked to and boom... now I can use my content on any "platform/saddle" I wish to. Right now it just feels like Wizards is double and triple dipping for the same content they provide (hardcopy, subscription DDB Wizards content, Subscription Fantasy grounds Wizards content, etc). I am also not arguing that the "saddles" need to make some money too, which then DDBs subscription to allow others to share content in your game only is the way they make their money.
The problem is that WotC is not a retailer. They are a publisher. Paizo can offer different services because they are both.
WotC could get into retailing for sure, but setting up that system would likely go against many of the licensing agreements they've already made with various 3rd party companies like Curse or Roll20.
They're not "double-dipping" or anything like it. They publish a product, and then license that product to various retailers. Roll20, Curse, Amazon, and your FLGS (or more accurately, the distributors those stores stock from) are all examples of those retailers. The retailers have autonomy from one another, as purchasing from one does not entitle you to the work of another.
Odds are, these various deals were made at different times with different term dates. Meaning for WotC to start self-retailing, they would have to wait for each of their current contracts to expire (which could take years), renegotiate new deals with each of them (to which the retailers may not agree, costing them business in the interim), and then establish their own retail outlet in a very crowded marketplace where there is always added risk.
I can see how WotC might maybe want no part of that and may just decide that the current model isn't broken enough to warrant an extensive overhaul.
if this is Wizard goto character generator, and I am already paying you a monthly fee to use your @#@$# generator, and now I have to buy the books twice, wow that the way to drive me back to pathfinder keep up the good work I am quit sure that when 6th edition come out I am with another game set,
how about just allowing us to get discounted in the book , 29.99 IS kind of steep want to make sure you really gauge the player there DnD beyond!
really I see a lot more then a " a relative handful of people have come here to complain" but that ok I am sure pathfinder aka Paizo appreciates your customer service and candor!
how about just allowing us to get discounted in the book , 29.99 IS kind of steep want to make sure you really gauge the player there DnD beyond!
That is already a discounted price. The RRP for the physical book is $49.95. On top of that, there are constant discount codes available to reduce it even further. Not only that, but the content itself is not the only thing you're getting here, you're also getting functionality with that content that you don't have with the physical books. There is no gouging of anyone going on here. You don't like it, then don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
hey , that is the point I was making , I am not buying it. I have been playing dungeons and dragons sense 1982 - I think we all kind of expressed our selves with the editions of 4th.
I like free speech so I am exercising it, and kind of trying to give you the reason I well not buy, when I bought the phb I later bought a digital version , and now you want me to do the same thing just to use your exclusive character generator, where I already pay as a game master level.
I think I well discontinue my patronization of your sight and go back to using my own computer and excel. thank you and have a nice day!
TL;DR: You can already buy the PHB in both physical and digital formats (from Amazon + DDB) for only $8 more than the physical version alone from your FLGS.
It is unlikely WotC would allow Amazon (as a reseller) to offer such a bundle/discount because Amazon is acting as a reseller much as any brick & mortar FLGS is acting a reseller. Amazon already massively discounts the books, which the FLGSs can't compete with. This is why the books come out earlier in stores than on Amazon, it is an olive branch to the B&M stores from WotC. Given the massive discount Amazon already gives, if Amazon also provided an additional discount on DDB purchases (which also already cost less than a print copy from an FLGS), the FLGSs would be up in arms. They would have no way to offer the same discount, and would be at an even greater disadvantage. Let's be honest, if someone could get a physical and digital copy from Amazon/DDB for less than the cost of the physical copy from an FLGS, they will choose Amazon/DDB.
Let's also consider this:
If you buy your PHB from Amazon right now, you can get it for about $28 USD. The cost of the PHB on DDB is $29.99 (assuming no discount). So total for both is about $58 USD.
The MSRP of the PHB (ie. the price listed on the back of the book) is $49.95 USD>
That's a difference of $8.00. In other other words, right now anyone who has neither the PHB hardcover or digital version from DDB can buy BOTH for only $8 more than buying the hardcover version alone in their local B&M store. Unless you really need to save $8, why wouldn't you order the hardcover from Amazon, and the digital from DDB?
And if you think Amazon/Curse could/should offer a discount on the digital version for having purchased the hardcover from Amazon, how much are you expecting??? At least $8 I assume. More than than that?
It seems to me the people complaining about the cost on DDB either (A) bought their physical copy from a B&M store, and feel burned, or; (B) don't believe that "digital" versions of "real world" things have "real value".
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
couldn't find if this was asked previously, but you need a sub to access public homebrews... but, as a DM account holder can you share private homebrew with other players in the campaign or just use it yourself?
couldn't find if this was asked previously, but you need a sub to access public homebrews... but, as a DM account holder can you share private homebrew with other players in the campaign or just use it yourself?
Within a campaign slot, you can share any kind of homebrew (except monsters) without the need of a subscription or publication.
You don't have to pay a monthly fee to use the character generator. The optional monthly fee pays for additional characters beyond 6 at a time, the ability to use published homebrew content, removal of advertisements, and if you go up a tier, then the ability to share any books you've purchased with the other players in your campaign.
The character builder is free. Non-SRD content isn't free, but if you've already purchased hardback copies, you are free to enter anything missing in as private homebrew. You can get full functionality of the character builder without spending any money at all.
This has probably been answered elsewhere, but I searched and searched and didn't find anything (maybe because the answer is obvious and I'm just missing it).
I want to have access to all the content from the PHB (feats, subclasses, etc) to make characters. Do I buy just the PHB only or do I have to also buy all the feats, backgrounds, etc?
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This has probably been answered elsewhere, but I searched and searched and didn't find anything (maybe because the answer is obvious and I'm just missing it).
I want to have access to all the content from the PHB (feats, subclasses, etc) to make characters. Do I buy just the PHB only or do I have to also buy all the feats, backgrounds, etc?
The whole digital book gives you access to all the content in the Compendium, in the Character Builder and in the Listings.
The Compendium Only option gives access to the content only in the Compendium section, not the others section of the toolset.
If you're a player just wanting to make a character sheet to join in your playgroup, is enough to just get the classes/feats/etc. You're interested in... That said the best option is probably too get the full set at one (the access to the book at 29.99 or similar) if you plan to keep on playing or if you're going to DM
Does anyone else feel like the topics in this thread have been discussed to death? Railing against the challenges that are inherent in the copyrighting, licensing, and sale of products sold in both physical and electronic formats doesn't change any of the realities of how it all works. And we certainly can't hold Curse accountable for any aspect of any of those challenges.
Curse has explained (clearly and reasonably) the obstacles that are inherent in licensing, packaging, and selling the content available here. There are some nuances that make purchasing D&D content in two different formats feel a bit new and unfamiliar at first and I can understand the desire to question certain aspects of it, but the answers to these questions won't change the second, third, fourth, or hundredth time they're answered. I empathize with anyone who doesn't love the idea of purchasing content twice, but authenticating ownership of physical purchases apart from D&DB would be a logistical nightmare and the legal terms and conditions of Curse's agreement with WotC don't bend to negative forum posts.
D&DB is a fantastic value and there is an array of purchasing options for those who wish to get granular in purchasing only specific chunks of content. As someone who has been leveraging the legendary bundle and master tier subscription for a good while now, I can personally, confidently affirm that this platform (while still maturing) is totally awesome and that the dev team supporting it do a great job of engaging with the community. I was skeptical at first and unsure of whether or not I should invest in Curse and in D&DB. Now that I have, though, I know that we're paying for so much more than the actual, printed content of D&D manuals--we're getting a huge interactive suite of tools that will only mature more over time (and that already bring tons of benefit to those using them at or away from the table). You can easily tell that the D&DB team and the moderators in these forums live and breathe D&D and that will only continue to benefit us, the community, as development progresses.
The longer this thread stays open, it just seems to get more and more vitriolic and less and less useful. If you need proof, just wait, and observe the posts that quote this one and attempt to refute it by slinging mud with no underlying substance.
"There is a wide world out there, my friend, full of pain, but filled with joy as well. The former keeps you on the path of growth, and the latter makes the journey tolerable." --Montolio Debrouchee
I agree with you, but they keep the thread open because haters are going to hate and at least here they’re corralled, instead of a proliferation of, “Curse are the mafia” threads throughout the forums. I come for lols but try not to answer anymore.
Hi,
First, great job, the tools are really cool :)
I'm from France and I'm wondering if you have plan to translate your tools ?
I'm not fluent in English but I'm using English every day for my jobs so it's not really an issue for me but it is for my players.
It would be interesting to have the tools translated, even if it's only the character/campaign manager and the basic rules.
Thanks.
Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
The problem is that WotC is not a retailer. They are a publisher. Paizo can offer different services because they are both.
WotC could get into retailing for sure, but setting up that system would likely go against many of the licensing agreements they've already made with various 3rd party companies like Curse or Roll20.
They're not "double-dipping" or anything like it. They publish a product, and then license that product to various retailers. Roll20, Curse, Amazon, and your FLGS (or more accurately, the distributors those stores stock from) are all examples of those retailers. The retailers have autonomy from one another, as purchasing from one does not entitle you to the work of another.
Odds are, these various deals were made at different times with different term dates. Meaning for WotC to start self-retailing, they would have to wait for each of their current contracts to expire (which could take years), renegotiate new deals with each of them (to which the retailers may not agree, costing them business in the interim), and then establish their own retail outlet in a very crowded marketplace where there is always added risk.
I can see how WotC might maybe want no part of that and may just decide that the current model isn't broken enough to warrant an extensive overhaul.
maybe it should be,
if this is Wizard goto character generator, and I am already paying you a monthly fee to use your @#@$# generator, and now I have to buy the books twice, wow that the way to drive me back to pathfinder keep up the good work I am quit sure that when 6th edition come out I am with another game set,
how about just allowing us to get discounted in the book , 29.99 IS kind of steep want to make sure you really gauge the player there DnD beyond!
really I see a lot more then a " a relative handful of people have come here to complain" but that ok I am sure pathfinder aka Paizo appreciates your customer service and candor!
hey , that is the point I was making , I am not buying it. I have been playing dungeons and dragons sense 1982 - I think we all kind of expressed our selves with the editions of 4th.
I like free speech so I am exercising it, and kind of trying to give you the reason I well not buy, when I bought the phb I later bought a digital version , and now you want me to do the same thing just to use your exclusive character generator, where I already pay as a game master level.
I think I well discontinue my patronization of your sight and go back to using my own computer and excel. thank you and have a nice day!
TL;DR: You can already buy the PHB in both physical and digital formats (from Amazon + DDB) for only $8 more than the physical version alone from your FLGS.
It is unlikely WotC would allow Amazon (as a reseller) to offer such a bundle/discount because Amazon is acting as a reseller much as any brick & mortar FLGS is acting a reseller. Amazon already massively discounts the books, which the FLGSs can't compete with. This is why the books come out earlier in stores than on Amazon, it is an olive branch to the B&M stores from WotC. Given the massive discount Amazon already gives, if Amazon also provided an additional discount on DDB purchases (which also already cost less than a print copy from an FLGS), the FLGSs would be up in arms. They would have no way to offer the same discount, and would be at an even greater disadvantage. Let's be honest, if someone could get a physical and digital copy from Amazon/DDB for less than the cost of the physical copy from an FLGS, they will choose Amazon/DDB.
Let's also consider this:
If you buy your PHB from Amazon right now, you can get it for about $28 USD. The cost of the PHB on DDB is $29.99 (assuming no discount). So total for both is about $58 USD.
The MSRP of the PHB (ie. the price listed on the back of the book) is $49.95 USD>
That's a difference of $8.00. In other other words, right now anyone who has neither the PHB hardcover or digital version from DDB can buy BOTH for only $8 more than buying the hardcover version alone in their local B&M store. Unless you really need to save $8, why wouldn't you order the hardcover from Amazon, and the digital from DDB?
And if you think Amazon/Curse could/should offer a discount on the digital version for having purchased the hardcover from Amazon, how much are you expecting??? At least $8 I assume. More than than that?
It seems to me the people complaining about the cost on DDB either (A) bought their physical copy from a B&M store, and feel burned, or; (B) don't believe that "digital" versions of "real world" things have "real value".
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
couldn't find if this was asked previously, but you need a sub to access public homebrews... but, as a DM account holder can you share private homebrew with other players in the campaign or just use it yourself?
You don't have to pay a monthly fee to use the character generator. The optional monthly fee pays for additional characters beyond 6 at a time, the ability to use published homebrew content, removal of advertisements, and if you go up a tier, then the ability to share any books you've purchased with the other players in your campaign.
The character builder is free. Non-SRD content isn't free, but if you've already purchased hardback copies, you are free to enter anything missing in as private homebrew. You can get full functionality of the character builder without spending any money at all.
It looks like you can only buy Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes for D&D Beyond in bits and pieces and not the whole book. Is that correct?
DaveinTX
This has probably been answered elsewhere, but I searched and searched and didn't find anything (maybe because the answer is obvious and I'm just missing it).
I want to have access to all the content from the PHB (feats, subclasses, etc) to make characters. Do I buy just the PHB only or do I have to also buy all the feats, backgrounds, etc?
::: Smellhole
::: It's better to have loved and lost than to never have had a good pair of speakers.
If you're a player just wanting to make a character sheet to join in your playgroup, is enough to just get the classes/feats/etc. You're interested in... That said the best option is probably too get the full set at one (the access to the book at 29.99 or similar) if you plan to keep on playing or if you're going to DM
I found where the price was hiding.
Thanks!
DaveinTX