And yet, none of the responses to my question validate it. You feel it is necessary to twin DB but can't or won't explain why.
It's not necessary. It's just that, simple parsing of the text of Twin Spell and Dragon's Breath says it should be legal.
Twin Spell: spell must have a range other than self, and target a single creature. Must be incapable of targeting multiple creatures at its current level.
Dragon's Breath has a range of touch, targets a single creature, and cannot target more than one creature. It imbues the target with an ability that can target multiple creatures, but people targeted by the breath are not targets of the spell, they are targets of the ability the spell grants.
It seems likely that it's not RAI, but per the actual wording of the abilities it's valid.
Magic missile requireing a different concentration save for each dart despite them all striking simultaneously always felt off to me, and way too easy of a way to make an enemy spam concentration saves with just a first level spell. Also this has implications for death saving throws as well. So I was never a fan of that ruling.
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Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
I don't think Jeremy Crawford makes any "bad calls". I think he just takes the rules as they are written and walks through the logical conclusion as written like math. It would be like people arguing as if 8/2(2+2) was up to interpretation. It's written sloppy, there there are rules involved.
Also, don't think he sets these answers down as law, just, again, reaching a logical conclusion to word as written or, rarely, as intended.
Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
The magic items that were popular as homebrews were largely because they were homebrewed versions of magical items that WotC has released for past editions. I agree that a lot of it shouldn't have needed printing, but if you look around at reality, it did need printing.
Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
Ok you might think that a lot of this stuff is common sense that doesn’t need printing, last week I let my 15yo nephew a brand new DM read my copy of tashas cauldron. All of that he found fascinating and got him asking questions and thinking.
Tashas like Xanathars is a resource book to build on the core. Session zero and spell customization, group patrons and puzzles, to someone brand new to DMing this kind of info is golden. It sparks new ideas and potentials. You could argue most of the DMG isn’t needed because those of us who have been playing ttrpgs for years don’t need a section on campaign or world building, we don’t need to learn about the different planes because we already know. It is all information that needed to be stated.
thatmagical effects dont target objects if nto stated, that one beats everything imo,
and that magical effects on an object dont make them magical
uses presto on his own sword, or light on his mace but it isnt magical, i don't care about the elemental weapon that deals another 1d4 added, magic is magic, the magical effects ontop of the weapons/objects can also be seen as temporary enchantments.
Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
Ok you might think that a lot of this stuff is common sense that doesn’t need printing, last week I let my 15yo nephew a brand new DM read my copy of tashas cauldron. All of that he found fascinating and got him asking questions and thinking.
Tashas like Xanathars is a resource book to build on the core. Session zero and spell customization, group patrons and puzzles, to someone brand new to DMing this kind of info is golden. It sparks new ideas and potentials. You could argue most of the DMG isn’t needed because those of us who have been playing ttrpgs for years don’t need a section on campaign or world building, we don’t need to learn about the different planes because we already know. It is all information that needed to be stated.
Then make it free content as part of the basic rules...not a paid book that is at one point catering towards more advanced play (Character Options). Overall the Session 0 stuff should be free...not behind a paywall. It is something that should be in the basic rules if I had my druthers.
Overall the filler in Tasha's was pretty bad....I liked several parts of it and I have used some of the puzzles (they are a mixed bag) but the filler and DM content is really bad in it.
Xanathars at least made the DM material new and expanded on use of stuff that was not address in earlier books (tool checks).
Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
Ok you might think that a lot of this stuff is common sense that doesn’t need printing, last week I let my 15yo nephew a brand new DM read my copy of tashas cauldron. All of that he found fascinating and got him asking questions and thinking.
Tashas like Xanathars is a resource book to build on the core. Session zero and spell customization, group patrons and puzzles, to someone brand new to DMing this kind of info is golden. It sparks new ideas and potentials. You could argue most of the DMG isn’t needed because those of us who have been playing ttrpgs for years don’t need a section on campaign or world building, we don’t need to learn about the different planes because we already know. It is all information that needed to be stated.
Well then that’s just all the more reason it should have been in the actual DMG in the first place. Isn’t it?
But honestly, who needs to be told they can flavor their Eldritch Blast like Gambit’s exploding playing cards? Why would that even be a thing that actually needs to be explicitly stated? This is a game in which the most iconic monster is an insane, floating meatball with magic rays that shoot out of its myriad eyestalks and they reproduce by having nightmares about themselves. A strict adherence to a purely fluff description of anything does not compute. 🤷♂️ That’s why I say it should be common sense. It has little to do with how long I’ve been playing and everything to do with if someone told me I wasn’t allowed to reskin a spell’s effect like that I’d look at them like they just grew a second head. That would be like someone saying it’s against the rules to pour chocolate milk on my corn flakes and eat them for dessert. Or someone saying it’s against the rules to put salt and pepper on my french fries. Or that it’s against the rules to parade lace my kicks. What? The idea of that is so genuinely baffling I cannot take it seriously. Who needs permission to use their imagination? Especially when playing a game that requires imagination.
There are a wackton of examples of a powerful patron looking after a ragtag group of heroes. Thor in SG1, Gandalf to a certain extent, Splinter and his Turtles, Xavier and the X-Men…. It needed to be stated that the party of pseudomedieval superheroes can have a Xavier? Really?
You can go to Walmart and get a stack of puzzle books to rip ideas from for D&D. That needed a section in a D&D book? Especially when half the challenges in any RPG video game are some form of puzzle or other. Even just figuring out how to get from “here” to “there” is a puzzle sometimes. Folks needed permission for that? I don’t get it.
D&D is “make believe” for children ages 8+, and there are rules so nobody has to argue about who shot first. (Nu-uh! I shot you first! No way, I shot first!) Every one of us played make believe as kids. Do people just forget how that they need or explained in a book? Say it ain’t so.
But even if I’m wrong and all of that that did need to be stated, the mechanical portions of Tasha’s are my genuine gripe, so all of Chapter 1 and most of chapter 3. That’s still most of the book. I was asked to elaborate and so I did. The thread asked what we think his worst call was. That’s my answer. That’s what I think his worst call has been to date. Agree, disagree, that’s up to you. (It’s still a free country.) But that’s my opinion. (Oh yeah, and the art is still mediocre and the fluff text for Tasha is still insulting.)
Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
Ok you might think that a lot of this stuff is common sense that doesn’t need printing, last week I let my 15yo nephew a brand new DM read my copy of tashas cauldron. All of that he found fascinating and got him asking questions and thinking.
Tashas like Xanathars is a resource book to build on the core. Session zero and spell customization, group patrons and puzzles, to someone brand new to DMing this kind of info is golden. It sparks new ideas and potentials. You could argue most of the DMG isn’t needed because those of us who have been playing ttrpgs for years don’t need a section on campaign or world building, we don’t need to learn about the different planes because we already know. It is all information that needed to be stated.
Well then that’s just all the more reason it should have been in the actual DMG in the first place. Isn’t it?
But honestly, who needs to be told they can flavor their Eldritch Blast like Gambit’s exploding playing cards? Why would that even be a thing that actually needs to be explicitly stated? This is a game in which the most iconic monster is an insane, floating meatball with magic rays that shoot out of its myriad eyestalks and they reproduce by having nightmares about themselves. A strict adherence to a purely fluff description of anything does not compute. 🤷♂️ That’s why I say it should be common sense. It has little to do with how long I’ve been playing and everything to do with if someone told me I wasn’t allowed to reskin a spell’s effect like that I’d look at them like they just grew a second head. That would be like someone saying it’s against the rules to pour chocolate milk on my corn flakes and eat them for dessert. Or someone saying it’s against the rules to put salt and pepper on my french fries. Or that it’s against the rules to parade lace my kicks. What? The idea of that is so genuinely baffling I cannot take it seriously. Who needs permission to use their imagination? Especially when playing a game that requires imagination.
There are a wackton of examples of a powerful patron looking after a ragtag group of heroes. Thor in SG1, Gandalf to a certain extent, Splinter and his Turtles, Xavier and the X-Men…. It needed to be stated that the party of pseudomedieval superheroes can have a Xavier? Really?
You can go to Walmart and get a stack of puzzle books to rip ideas from for D&D. That needed a section in a D&D book? Especially when half the challenges in any RPG video game are some form of puzzle or other. Even just figuring out how to get from “here” to “there” is a puzzle sometimes. Folks needed permission for that? I don’t get it.
D&D is “make believe” for children ages 8+, and there are rules so nobody has to argue about who shot first. (Nu-uh! I shot you first! No way, I shot first!) Every one of us played make believe as kids. Do people just forget how that they need or explained in a book? Say it ain’t so.
But even if I’m wrong and all of that that did need to be stated, the mechanical portions of Tasha’s are my genuine gripe, so all of Chapter 1 and most of chapter 3. That’s still most of the book. I was asked to elaborate and so I did. The thread asked what we think his worst call was. That’s my answer. That’s what I think his worst call has been to date. Agree, disagree, that’s up to you. (It’s still a free country.) But that’s my opinion. (Oh yeah, and the art is still mediocre and the fluff text for Tasha is still insulting.)
I guess my question was asked in a snarky manner, but thank you for elaborating. I will say one thing about the big paragraph I put in blue. Based on some of the characters in the Rules/Mechanics forums, there are quite a few folks who would deny you your chocy-milk cereal, parade laced shoes, and salt n pepper fries, because the rules say cereal is made with 2% milk, shoes get standard lacing, and french fries are never described as being anything other than salted. Having something that explicitly states those things can change, while inane for those who understand this is a narrative based game, is nice to have for those who are talking to DMs and players that want this to be 4e (when it is plainly not).
It's not necessary. It's just that, simple parsing of the text of Twin Spell and Dragon's Breath says it should be legal.
It seems likely that it's not RAI, but per the actual wording of the abilities it's valid.
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As written, appears 100% true. Heck, crossbow expert works with spells, if for some reason you really want to use eldritch blast at 5' from a foe.
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Magic missile requireing a different concentration save for each dart despite them all striking simultaneously always felt off to me, and way too easy of a way to make an enemy spam concentration saves with just a first level spell. Also this has implications for death saving throws as well. So I was never a fan of that ruling.
Since this thread got hit with resurrection, can I just say I'm shocked no one brought up the one beast with an AoE attack in all that dragon's breath vs. polymorph talk -- the giant lightning eel?
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Tasha’s Cauldron. About 90% of it.
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Please elaborate. Do you find fault with the character customization features? the subclasses? the group patrons? the spells and magic items? Session zero? Sidekicks? Supernatural Regions and Phenomena? Puzzles?
Because most people just complain about the character customization features...and that is nowhere close to 90% of the book. So please elaborate.
I don't think Jeremy Crawford makes any "bad calls". I think he just takes the rules as they are written and walks through the logical conclusion as written like math. It would be like people arguing as if 8/2(2+2) was up to interpretation. It's written sloppy, there there are rules involved.
Also, don't think he sets these answers down as law, just, again, reaching a logical conclusion to word as written or, rarely, as intended.
Anyone who knows warhammer 40k will get this reference but this all feels very Matt Ward to me :). For those that don’t know
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward
And Jeremy makes it there as well :)
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Jeremy_Crawford
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The lineage system is the worst thing to ever happen to D&D. PB should never have been employed as a metric for subclass features. (Race/Feats, sure. Class/Subclass? Absolutely not.) They should be ashamed of what they did to Psionics. Many of the magic items and feats were ripped off from popular homebrews. The class feature options were nerfed to high hell. The session Zero stuff, Spell customizations, Puzzles, and Group Patrons were common sense that shouldn’t have needed printing and the fact they felt it did should be a clue to how effed up it is. The art was mediocre, and the flavor text they gave for Tasha made her sound like a whiny teenager instead of a supreme sorcerer. Yeah, I mean almost the entire book. Crawford should be sacked for that travesty. ‘Nuff said?
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The magic items that were popular as homebrews were largely because they were homebrewed versions of magical items that WotC has released for past editions. I agree that a lot of it shouldn't have needed printing, but if you look around at reality, it did need printing.
Isn’t that the worst part?
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Ok you might think that a lot of this stuff is common sense that doesn’t need printing, last week I let my 15yo nephew a brand new DM read my copy of tashas cauldron. All of that he found fascinating and got him asking questions and thinking.
Tashas like Xanathars is a resource book to build on the core. Session zero and spell customization, group patrons and puzzles, to someone brand new to DMing this kind of info is golden. It sparks new ideas and potentials. You could argue most of the DMG isn’t needed because those of us who have been playing ttrpgs for years don’t need a section on campaign or world building, we don’t need to learn about the different planes because we already know. It is all information that needed to be stated.
I only said it once, in the fear if I utter it thrice on a DnD board he will be announced as WOTC new lead writer and designer.
thatmagical effects dont target objects if nto stated,
that one beats everything imo,
and that magical effects on an object dont make them magical
uses presto on his own sword, or light on his mace
but it isnt magical, i don't care about the elemental weapon that deals another 1d4 added,
magic is magic, the magical effects ontop of the weapons/objects can also be seen as temporary enchantments.
Then make it free content as part of the basic rules...not a paid book that is at one point catering towards more advanced play (Character Options). Overall the Session 0 stuff should be free...not behind a paywall. It is something that should be in the basic rules if I had my druthers.
Overall the filler in Tasha's was pretty bad....I liked several parts of it and I have used some of the puzzles (they are a mixed bag) but the filler and DM content is really bad in it.
Xanathars at least made the DM material new and expanded on use of stuff that was not address in earlier books (tool checks).
Well then that’s just all the more reason it should have been in the actual DMG in the first place. Isn’t it?
But honestly, who needs to be told they can flavor their Eldritch Blast like Gambit’s exploding playing cards? Why would that even be a thing that actually needs to be explicitly stated? This is a game in which the most iconic monster is an insane, floating meatball with magic rays that shoot out of its myriad eyestalks and they reproduce by having nightmares about themselves. A strict adherence to a purely fluff description of anything does not compute. 🤷♂️ That’s why I say it should be common sense. It has little to do with how long I’ve been playing and everything to do with if someone told me I wasn’t allowed to reskin a spell’s effect like that I’d look at them like they just grew a second head. That would be like someone saying it’s against the rules to pour chocolate milk on my corn flakes and eat them for dessert. Or someone saying it’s against the rules to put salt and pepper on my french fries. Or that it’s against the rules to parade lace my kicks. What? The idea of that is so genuinely baffling I cannot take it seriously. Who needs permission to use their imagination? Especially when playing a game that requires imagination.
There are a wackton of examples of a powerful patron looking after a ragtag group of heroes. Thor in SG1, Gandalf to a certain extent, Splinter and his Turtles, Xavier and the X-Men…. It needed to be stated that the party of pseudomedieval superheroes can have a Xavier? Really?
You can go to Walmart and get a stack of puzzle books to rip ideas from for D&D. That needed a section in a D&D book? Especially when half the challenges in any RPG video game are some form of puzzle or other. Even just figuring out how to get from “here” to “there” is a puzzle sometimes. Folks needed permission for that? I don’t get it.
D&D is “make believe” for children ages 8+, and there are rules so nobody has to argue about who shot first. (
Nu-uh! I shot you first! No way, I shot first!) Every one of us played make believe as kids. Do people just forget how that they need or explained in a book? Say it ain’t so.But even if I’m wrong and all of that that did need to be stated, the mechanical portions of Tasha’s are my genuine gripe, so all of Chapter 1 and most of chapter 3. That’s still most of the book. I was asked to elaborate and so I did. The thread asked what we think his worst call was. That’s my answer. That’s what I think his worst call has been to date. Agree, disagree, that’s up to you. (It’s still a free country.) But that’s my opinion. (Oh yeah, and the art is still mediocre and the fluff text for Tasha is still insulting.)
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I guess my question was asked in a snarky manner, but thank you for elaborating. I will say one thing about the big paragraph I put in blue. Based on some of the characters in the Rules/Mechanics forums, there are quite a few folks who would deny you your chocy-milk cereal, parade laced shoes, and salt n pepper fries, because the rules say cereal is made with 2% milk, shoes get standard lacing, and french fries are never described as being anything other than salted. Having something that explicitly states those things can change, while inane for those who understand this is a narrative based game, is nice to have for those who are talking to DMs and players that want this to be 4e (when it is plainly not).