Hey all. Is there a complied list somewhere that lets me know what is actually new? I own all the books to date at this point and from my understanding is the MotM is just a collaboration of all the previous books with races rewritten for tashas rules and putting all the monsters in one place with the changes to stat block format?
So what is new? Right now if you own tashas you can use the swap bonus ability so all the races are moot?
And all the monster stat blocks that do have updates... will they be locked behind the new book or will we have two versions or will it just auto update.
I am just trying to make a informed decision as to whether or not for someone who already has every book up to date on DDB if this is worth the 25 or if its more of a book for people who haven't bought everything in the past to help them get a bigger pool of creatures and races?
EDIT: Just Fyi I have seen the book and reviews. I know WHATS new but as far as DDB and how that works with auto updates / character builder / combat encounters etc.
Many of the races in the book have been completely reworked to the point of being new. As for what is 'new' new, as in entirely original, not much. Again, there is a lot of stuff being completely redone but nothing akin to a new world setting or something.
Edit: In response to your edit, the Dndbeyond team has said that everything that is in the book will be considered separate from everything already printed. Nothing that you own (as far as they have said) will change when the book comes out. Nothing is being updated in previous books because of this book (unless they reprint and republish those old books with this new content but I digress.)
The Genasi we have now will be separate from the Genasi in this book on Dndbeyond.
My understanding is that the monster reworks go beyond simple changes to formatting - they change a number of spells and such the monsters previously had to abilities that are contained within the stat block.
That alone makes it worthwhile in my opinion - it’s a hassle to have a monster then have to scroll over the spell to see what it does, then keep track of spell slots (which the encounter builder doesn’t do), all while tracking everything else going on in combat.
Is the current system unworkable? No, but it’s still worth the price in my opinion to make it a bit simpler. This is especially true if you share content with novice DMs who disproportionally benefit from streamlined monsters.
Edit: Just saw your edit. For D&DB, they indicated the new and old versions will both exist simultaneously within the system, so MMM must be purchased to unlock the new versions.
Hey all. Is there a complied list somewhere that lets me know what is actually new? I own all the books to date at this point and from my understanding is the MotM is just a collaboration of all the previous books with races rewritten for tashas rules and putting all the monsters in one place with the changes to stat block format?
So what is new? Right now if you own tashas you can use the swap bonus ability so all the races are moot?
And all the monster stat blocks that do have updates... will they be locked behind the new book or will we have two versions or will it just auto update.
I am just trying to make a informed decision as to whether or not for someone who already has every book up to date on DDB if this is worth the 25 or if its more of a book for people who haven't bought everything in the past to help them get a bigger pool of creatures and races?
EDIT: Just Fyi I have seen the book and reviews. I know WHATS new but as far as DDB and how that works with auto updates / character builder / combat encounters etc.
[REDACTED]. The only content of possible actual worth is a reworking of the monster stats to try to increase the CR. But looking at them myself, its a bit of a mixed bag. Whatever CR calculator WotC has internally, it doesn't match what they put out in the DMG. I see some of the revised monsters and their CR's are still too high, a large plurality though were increases in stats to match the CR, but I didn't see too many that outpace the possible CR. Pro-Tip WotC, put out the actual CR System that WotC uses in the book so we can see how you actually calculate.
It's not a reprint of their prior appearances though. It puts them more in line with the +2/+1 free floating ability mod that's become the standard for races post Tasha's, and also reworks some of their abilities. It's a compilation, but they're all new versions of the races.
The new content is different versions of monsters from Volo's, Mordenkainen's etc., that are a lot more interesting to run.
Interesting maybe, but it's more efficiency and manageability behind the reformatting. Actions are more plugged into the combat round's action economy, so spell usage is broken up into actions, bonus actions, and reactions, as are other creature features. The theory is this will allow the DMs to think more tactically about the monsters both in encounter design and while running the encounter.
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Looks like both the old race and the MMM version will be available if you own or otherwise have access to both.
important to read the last part of that FAQ. WoTC is removing the older versions from publication on the 17th when MMM launches. So you will only get the older ones if you already own them before that. Support for them will not drop, but no new copies will be published and DNDB will remove them from the market.
Looks like both the old race and the MMM version will be available if you own or otherwise have access to both.
important to read the last part of that FAQ. WoTC is removing the older versions from publication on the 17th when MMM launches. So you will only get the older ones if you already own them before that. Support for them will not drop, but no new copies will be published and DNDB will remove them from the market.
This is honestly the scary part. The old books literally have info not available in MMM the entire bit about the blood war for example. That's a terrible practice. I'm glad I will still have access but new players.... damn.
Looks like both the old race and the MMM version will be available if you own or otherwise have access to both.
important to read the last part of that FAQ. WoTC is removing the older versions from publication on the 17th when MMM launches. So you will only get the older ones if you already own them before that. Support for them will not drop, but no new copies will be published and DNDB will remove them from the market.
This is honestly the scary part. The old books literally have info not available in MMM the entire bit about the blood war for example. That's a terrible practice. I'm glad I will still have access but new players.... damn.
Thanks Wheezal, I didn't even see that got added. I remember there was a lot of consternation about whether Volo's and MToF were going to be discontinued.
That said, DocSun, while the lore on the Blood War won't be available on D&D Beyond, I find it hard to believe WotC is going to have the remaining physical Volo's and MToF books pulped. And the Blood War is well documented by fan communities. Really 5e lore is cliff notes compared to prior edition lore, and there's enough reprint and fan curated material to make the Blood War whatever you want it to be, if it is even a thing, in your campaign.
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Hey all. Is there a complied list somewhere that lets me know what is actually new? I own all the books to date at this point and from my understanding is the MotM is just a collaboration of all the previous books with races rewritten for tashas rules and putting all the monsters in one place with the changes to stat block format?
So what is new? Right now if you own tashas you can use the swap bonus ability so all the races are moot?
And all the monster stat blocks that do have updates... will they be locked behind the new book or will we have two versions or will it just auto update.
I am just trying to make a informed decision as to whether or not for someone who already has every book up to date on DDB if this is worth the 25 or if its more of a book for people who haven't bought everything in the past to help them get a bigger pool of creatures and races?
EDIT: Just Fyi I have seen the book and reviews. I know WHATS new but as far as DDB and how that works with auto updates / character builder / combat encounters etc.
Many of the races in the book have been completely reworked to the point of being new. As for what is 'new' new, as in entirely original, not much. Again, there is a lot of stuff being completely redone but nothing akin to a new world setting or something.
Edit: In response to your edit, the Dndbeyond team has said that everything that is in the book will be considered separate from everything already printed. Nothing that you own (as far as they have said) will change when the book comes out. Nothing is being updated in previous books because of this book (unless they reprint and republish those old books with this new content but I digress.)
The Genasi we have now will be separate from the Genasi in this book on Dndbeyond.
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My understanding is that the monster reworks go beyond simple changes to formatting - they change a number of spells and such the monsters previously had to abilities that are contained within the stat block.
That alone makes it worthwhile in my opinion - it’s a hassle to have a monster then have to scroll over the spell to see what it does, then keep track of spell slots (which the encounter builder doesn’t do), all while tracking everything else going on in combat.
Is the current system unworkable? No, but it’s still worth the price in my opinion to make it a bit simpler. This is especially true if you share content with novice DMs who disproportionally benefit from streamlined monsters.
Edit: Just saw your edit. For D&DB, they indicated the new and old versions will both exist simultaneously within the system, so MMM must be purchased to unlock the new versions.
[REDACTED]. The only content of possible actual worth is a reworking of the monster stats to try to increase the CR. But looking at them myself, its a bit of a mixed bag. Whatever CR calculator WotC has internally, it doesn't match what they put out in the DMG. I see some of the revised monsters and their CR's are still too high, a large plurality though were increases in stats to match the CR, but I didn't see too many that outpace the possible CR. Pro-Tip WotC, put out the actual CR System that WotC uses in the book so we can see how you actually calculate.
M3 has a collection of races from previous books.
The new content is different versions of monsters from Volo's, Mordenkainen's etc., that are a lot more interesting to run.
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HERE.It's not a reprint of their prior appearances though. It puts them more in line with the +2/+1 free floating ability mod that's become the standard for races post Tasha's, and also reworks some of their abilities. It's a compilation, but they're all new versions of the races.
Interesting maybe, but it's more efficiency and manageability behind the reformatting. Actions are more plugged into the combat round's action economy, so spell usage is broken up into actions, bonus actions, and reactions, as are other creature features. The theory is this will allow the DMs to think more tactically about the monsters both in encounter design and while running the encounter.
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So if we buy MMM, will we have a choice between new and old racial features or will they convert automatically to the new versions?
DDB put this out a while ago but got buried between the Spelljammer and WotC purchase press:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1201-faq-for-mordenkainen-presents-monsters-of-the
Looks like both the old race and the MMM version will be available if you own or otherwise have access to both.
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There is one original monster, the dolphin delighter, which is pretty cute.
important to read the last part of that FAQ. WoTC is removing the older versions from publication on the 17th when MMM launches. So you will only get the older ones if you already own them before that. Support for them will not drop, but no new copies will be published and DNDB will remove them from the market.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
This is honestly the scary part. The old books literally have info not available in MMM the entire bit about the blood war for example. That's a terrible practice. I'm glad I will still have access but new players.... damn.
Thanks Wheezal, I didn't even see that got added. I remember there was a lot of consternation about whether Volo's and MToF were going to be discontinued.
That said, DocSun, while the lore on the Blood War won't be available on D&D Beyond, I find it hard to believe WotC is going to have the remaining physical Volo's and MToF books pulped. And the Blood War is well documented by fan communities. Really 5e lore is cliff notes compared to prior edition lore, and there's enough reprint and fan curated material to make the Blood War whatever you want it to be, if it is even a thing, in your campaign.
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