To be honest though, how long are actually expecting 2024e to last? It's based on a 10-year old engine, that's granted very popular but old nonetheless...I don't think it'll last as long as 2014e did. In which case, there won't be much time.for new subclasses to come out (beyond what comes with the initial release) anyway.
We don't know. They're probably serious about not doing new editions now, but that's not going to last past a significant drop-off in sales.
Also, the rules being old doesn't make them inherently bad. (They're OK as mechanics go, and pretty good at the goal of being D&D-like.) The state of the art in RPGs doesn't change like computer tech does. There are new ideas, but D&D has never lived on the cutting edge.
The usual problem RPG publishers face is saturating their market, at which point they either have to do a new edition, which likely won't sell as well, but lets you fix all the things you ended up disliking, or try something new.
D&D's really the only one with the cultural clout to significantly grow their market, so it plays by different rules. (White Wolf in their heyday are probably the only other one like that we've ever seen.)
This is, whether they think of it that way or not, an experiment to see if they can get new-edition-level sales without actually doing a new edition. If it works, and sustains the high that 5e is on, we're probably looking at most of a decade before they have to decide on "new edition, or new revamp?"
To be honest though, how long are actually expecting 2024e to last? It's based on a 10-year old engine, that's granted very popular but old nonetheless...I don't think it'll last as long as 2014e did. In which case, there won't be much time.for new subclasses to come out (beyond what comes with the initial release) anyway.
Oh, I expect this reboot to go another 10, the changes are significant enough, and the chassis is a good one overall.
its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
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its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
Mmm, honestly I don’t know about “substantial”; the basic combat math isn’t being changed, nor is the spell system itself being significantly overhauled. As a lot of people have said, this is 3rd to 3.5, not 3.5 to 4th or 5th.
its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
Mmm, honestly I don’t know about “substantial”; the basic combat math isn’t being changed, nor is the spell system itself being significantly overhauled. As a lot of people have said, this is 3rd to 3.5, not 3.5 to 4th or 5th.
It feels like the bare minimum level of change to get people (not all people of course, you can never please everyone) interested and maybe even excited for the updates to me. Nothing core is changing but there are plenty of somewhat significant things that make me nod and say, "Yes, I like that." I don't remember the 3rd to 3.5 changes well enough to be able to compare the scope and feel to what we are seeing now.
It feels like the bare minimum level of change to get people (not all people of course, you can never please everyone) interested and maybe even excited for the updates to me. Nothing core is changing but there are plenty of somewhat significant things that make me nod and say, "Yes, I like that." I don't remember the 3rd to 3.5 changes well enough to be able to compare the scope and feel to what we are seeing now.
One of the big 3.0 -> 3.5 changes was reworking how damage resistance worked, and it looks like the 2024 books are... reworking how damage resistance works.
its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
I really like about half of the changes, and absolutely despise the other half. The only reason I’m intending to get the new core three is because I publish stuff for D&D. Gotta stay current. But I’m not really looking forward to the playtesting since it will mean having to actually play under the new rules, and like I said I would just as soon rip half of the changes out of the books and use them for tinder rather than use them.
its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
Mmm, honestly I don’t know about “substantial”; the basic combat math isn’t being changed, nor is the spell system itself being significantly overhauled. As a lot of people have said, this is 3rd to 3.5, not 3.5 to 4th or 5th.
It feels like the bare minimum level of change to get people (not all people of course, you can never please everyone) interested and maybe even excited for the updates to me. Nothing core is changing but there are plenty of somewhat significant things that make me nod and say, "Yes, I like that." I don't remember the 3rd to 3.5 changes well enough to be able to compare the scope and feel to what we are seeing now.
I anticipate some pretty major changes to spellcasting judging by all the hints Treantmonk has been dropping. I'm predicting for example that they're going the Baldurs Gate 3 route with the bonus action casting rule.
its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
Mmm, honestly I don’t know about “substantial”; the basic combat math isn’t being changed, nor is the spell system itself being significantly overhauled. As a lot of people have said, this is 3rd to 3.5, not 3.5 to 4th or 5th.
It feels like the bare minimum level of change to get people (not all people of course, you can never please everyone) interested and maybe even excited for the updates to me. Nothing core is changing but there are plenty of somewhat significant things that make me nod and say, "Yes, I like that." I don't remember the 3rd to 3.5 changes well enough to be able to compare the scope and feel to what we are seeing now.
I anticipate some pretty major changes to spellcasting judging by all the hints Treantmonk has been dropping. I'm predicting for example that they're going the Baldurs Gate 3 route with the bonus action casting rule.
he did say the NDA he signed ends well before the book comes out (no specific date tho) so i guess we can only wait till then
We don't know. They're probably serious about not doing new editions now, but that's not going to last past a significant drop-off in sales.
Also, the rules being old doesn't make them inherently bad. (They're OK as mechanics go, and pretty good at the goal of being D&D-like.) The state of the art in RPGs doesn't change like computer tech does. There are new ideas, but D&D has never lived on the cutting edge.
The usual problem RPG publishers face is saturating their market, at which point they either have to do a new edition, which likely won't sell as well, but lets you fix all the things you ended up disliking, or try something new.
D&D's really the only one with the cultural clout to significantly grow their market, so it plays by different rules. (White Wolf in their heyday are probably the only other one like that we've ever seen.)
This is, whether they think of it that way or not, an experiment to see if they can get new-edition-level sales without actually doing a new edition. If it works, and sustains the high that 5e is on, we're probably looking at most of a decade before they have to decide on "new edition, or new revamp?"
Oh, I expect this reboot to go another 10, the changes are significant enough, and the chassis is a good one overall.
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its either going to go the way of 4e or go for another decade or so depending on how well received it is. the changes are substantial and while it's not being called a new edition it is effectively one as it is forward compatible (ie. 2014 PCs can paly under 2024 rules) but not backward compatible (2024 PCs can't really play under 2014 rules).
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No matter where you fall in the love or hate spectrum , you have to admit that the changes in the game are quite substantial. Personally, I like it a lot and I really don't think that it will go the 4e route and can make it a decade before we see another "not a new edition".
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Mmm, honestly I don’t know about “substantial”; the basic combat math isn’t being changed, nor is the spell system itself being significantly overhauled. As a lot of people have said, this is 3rd to 3.5, not 3.5 to 4th or 5th.
It feels like the bare minimum level of change to get people (not all people of course, you can never please everyone) interested and maybe even excited for the updates to me. Nothing core is changing but there are plenty of somewhat significant things that make me nod and say, "Yes, I like that." I don't remember the 3rd to 3.5 changes well enough to be able to compare the scope and feel to what we are seeing now.
That statement in the video was confirmed to be an error by either Treantmonk or Nerd Immersion
One of the big 3.0 -> 3.5 changes was reworking how damage resistance worked, and it looks like the 2024 books are... reworking how damage resistance works.
I really like about half of the changes, and absolutely despise the other half. The only reason I’m intending to get the new core three is because I publish stuff for D&D. Gotta stay current. But I’m not really looking forward to the playtesting since it will mean having to actually play under the new rules, and like I said I would just as soon rip half of the changes out of the books and use them for tinder rather than use them.
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I anticipate some pretty major changes to spellcasting judging by all the hints Treantmonk has been dropping. I'm predicting for example that they're going the Baldurs Gate 3 route with the bonus action casting rule.
he did say the NDA he signed ends well before the book comes out (no specific date tho) so i guess we can only wait till then
He did give a date actually - August 1st, i.e. the start of GenCon weekend. Ted from Nerd Immersion and Colby from d4 gave the same date also.
neat