Again, 100% of users are currently using 5.0 rules and I'd be surprised if even 25% are planning to use 5.5 rules when they drop. And of those using 5.5 rules doubtless a good chunk them will be hybrid with also wanting to use 5.0 rules too.
Let's not pretend 5.0 is "cobwebs" by any means.
I don't know what representative sample your "surprise" is based on, but I'm specifically referring to the spells and items they've updated. I see no reason to stick with the old versions, or for them to double the literal hundreds of entries in the builder and tooltips with a slew of "Legacy" tags for these.
Beyond can create a toggle for Legacy. We got a bunch of new toggles for third party content, so it is not like it cannot be done.
For me, I am not even asking for the toggle, I just want access to the old content on the character builder and sheets. The toggle is nice to have for me, but I can deal with a more messy drop down menu.
you know what they say about assuming right? im glad you dont care about your money and let WOTC do whatever they want with you but others care about what we bought and want to keep what we paid for. if someone takes what you paid for thats called theft or false advertisement
Except they didn't take anything from you, your 2014 books with the 2014 text for every spell and item in them are still there.
If your 2014 books were rendered inaccessible I'd say you have a point, but they haven't.
Beyond is taking away the integration between the 2014 books and the character builder/sheet. What sold a lot of us on Beyond was the convenience it provided so we do not have to manually integrate it ourselves. What kept many of us relatively calm was the precedent that VGTM/MTOF/MP:MOTM set that made old content Legacy but still accessible in the digital tools, and Wizard's/Beyond's insistence that the new books are not errata.
As far as I am concerned, Beyond only confirmed changes on the magic item side will be potions and spell scrolls according to their clarification post. While I know certain spells are changing, I do not know all the spells that are changing, and I am not aware of Beyond making any further clarifications on which spells we need to homebrew if we want to keep the 2014 version.
A lot of us do not have an alternative to walk away to. Going physical is out of the question for many of us who rely on the convenience of digital, and full physical is just an awful experience. Veteran D&D players who grew up with pen and paper might be okay with going full physical, but there is no way I would. Pivoting away to the other three official digital tool sets is not realistic either: Foundry is an automatic no for me since it barely supports 5e right now, and switching over Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds means I am losing access to VGTM and MTOF that I already have on Beyond. And switching systems is completely out of the question.
Ive seen people compile the spells affected. Its 100 spells out of the 390 from 2014 PHB. Many have such minor changes it wont really affect play with 2014 5e rules.
This is for now, if this the setting of precedent for the future that list will continue to grow. As much as new editions cause issues I would gladly take that over this goat rope everytime a new book comes out, this is going to make it unnecessarily difficult to try new stuff and roll back if you and your table don't like it. It is removing the greatest (to many) thing about D&D and TTRPGS in general you can play it how you want to as long as the people in your game are ok with it. This fundamentally changes the game from that hey let's do this to the equivalent of a wizbro inspector standing over your shoulder telling you how to play and when to buy books.
Yes the hyperbole is intentional.
If you want to keep shouting about this, that's your prerogative. But it doesn't change the fact that what you've got there is an acorn, not a piece of the sky.
So everything that has changed since wizbro bought DDB each lives in it's own vacuum, and is not this proverbial acorn growing into an oak?
Frankly, yes. Particularly if this "oak" is the wizbro secret police shaking you down for protection money or whatever you end thesis of your own self-admitted hyperbolic post was. They are making changes. That is not some great conspiracy to drain all that is pure and good out of D&D in the name of money. That's what happens when a 10 year old electronic product is updated. Do you carry on like this every time an MMO you play is patched and they overhaul all the class powers? Because this isn't even that dramatic of a change; everything you want to use is still right here to be used. But no, apparently having to take 30 seconds to navigate to an entry is such an unbearable hardship.
This whole mess of drama right here is literally the perfect example of First World Problems.
This is the exact reason I do not play MMO's, well I guess until wizbro started turning D&D into one.
Considering millions of people find that model works even when they don't enjoy a specific change, this is sounding more and more like a you problem rather than a systemic one.
ETA: An overwhelming majority of posts are by people that rarely post here and just want to play the game how they want not how others want them to play.
I would say no, I am not interested in giving WOTC any more of money, and i have bought a lot of content on this platform. I'm very bothered by them planning on removing the spells and items instead of just making them Legacy. If it comes down to being able to use my content as i would expect i should be able to or being strong armed into having to buy the new PHB, I guess I choose to not use this platform at all.
I would say no, I am not interested in giving WOTC any more of money, and i have bought a lot of content on this platform. I'm very bothered by them planning on removing the spells and items instead of just making them Legacy. If it comes down to being able to use my content as i would expect i should be able to or being strong armed into having to buy the new PHB, I guess I choose to not use this platform at all.
They didn't remove any spells or items, your 2014 books still have all those things.
Are they in the character builder/sheet, or have they been removed from the character builder/sheet?
They're going to be removed from the character sheet/builder unless you homebrew them. That said, most are being upgraded and the ones that are being significantly changed are the ones with text heavy effects rather than something like Fireball where the sheet itself offered most of its utility for spells. People are making a lot of noise, but it's well out of proportion to the actual effect this is going to have.
Are they in the character builder/sheet, or have they been removed from the character builder/sheet?
They're going to be removed from the character sheet/builder unless you homebrew them. That said, most are being upgraded and the ones that are being significantly changed are the ones with text heavy effects rather than something like Fireball where the sheet itself offered most of its utility for spells. People are making a lot of noise, but it's well out of proportion to the actual effect this is going to have.
I'm glad you agree that content is being removed. Hopefully PsyrenXY will too.
Are they in the character builder/sheet, or have they been removed from the character builder/sheet?
They're not removed from there either. If you pick the spell "Flame Strike" on your cleric, it will still show up both places.
So, after the switchover I will be able to go on my Druid and cast the spell Conjure Animals, summoning 8 beasts? Or will that spell have been removed?
Will I be able to add Feeblemind to my wizard, or will that have been removed?
So, after the switchover I will be able to go on my Druid and cast the spell Conjure Animals, summoning 8 beasts? Or will that spell have been removed?
Will I be able to add Feeblemind to my wizard, or will that have been removed?
The old text of Conjure Animals is in the SRD which is in Creative Commons, so if you want to summon 8 beasts you still can. Neither the character sheet nor the character builder summon 8 beasts.
The article itself tells you what name they changed Feeblemind to in case your DM somehow gets confused. It's still the same spell.
So, after the switchover I will be able to go on my Druid and cast the spell Conjure Animals, summoning 8 beasts? Or will that spell have been removed?
Will I be able to add Feeblemind to my wizard, or will that have been removed?
The old text of Conjure Animals is in the SRD which is in Creative Commons, so if you want to summon 8 beasts you still can. Neither the character sheet nor the character builder summon 8 beasts.
The article itself tells you what name they changed Feeblemind to in case your DM somehow gets confused. It's still the same spell.
Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Yes, Conjure Animals will be in the character builder.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
You can select the Conjure Animals spell for your character.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
You can select the Conjure Animals spell for your character.
I'll take that avoidance as you conceding the argument. As demonstrated, we are losing content. Thank you for your time.
Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Yes, Conjure Animals will be in the character builder.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
Well, you definitely can't see the effect you're describing, since that's not how the number progression works. But to address the point you're so archly driving at, as has been said several times, the PHB 2014 version of the spell won't be linked to the character sheet/builder anymore. Now, for the old conjure spells that's a complete nonissue, given there's this handy trick called "bookmarking" you can use to quickly bring up the info on either the website or the app. Handily, this feature works for every entry; if for some reason you absolutely must use the 2014 version of a spell where you need to roll dice, you'll need to manually select that pool. Should take maybe 30 seconds on the outside. So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Yes, Conjure Animals will be in the character builder.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
Well, you definitely can't see the effect you're describing, since that's not how the number progression works. But to address the point you're so archly driving at, as has been said several times, the PHB 2014 version of the spell won't be linked to the character sheet/builder anymore. Now, for the old conjure spells that's a complete nonissue, given there's this handy trick called "bookmarking" you can use to quickly bring up the info on either the website or the app. Handily, this feature works for every entry; if for some reason you absolutely must use the 2014 version of a spell where you need to roll dice, you'll need to manually select that pool. Should take maybe 30 seconds on the outside. So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
So the content I have purchased *will* be removed/lost from the character builder?
So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work. Just because it is a brain dead task does not mean it is not a slog to work through. I do not look forward to doing the same for magic items. If I can pay Beyond $100 bucks to archive all the copies for me, I would do so.
And for users who want to keep the links working as well to achieve the same level of functionality before the update, it will be an even bigger pain in the ass. I am not going down that route, as preserving the copies is enough for me since I mostly utilize the database. And even if a person has the time to fix all the links, there are links that cannot be rerouted, like links in the adventures.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
I will leave these 2 threads with close to 1200 posts in the last 3 days for you to peruse. 550 posts in 3 days and 650 posts in 1 day
ETA: An overwhelming majority of posts are by people that rarely post here and just want to play the game how they want not how others want them to play.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I would say no, I am not interested in giving WOTC any more of money, and i have bought a lot of content on this platform. I'm very bothered by them planning on removing the spells and items instead of just making them Legacy. If it comes down to being able to use my content as i would expect i should be able to or being strong armed into having to buy the new PHB, I guess I choose to not use this platform at all.
They didn't remove any spells or items, your 2014 books still have all those things.
Are they in the character builder/sheet, or have they been removed from the character builder/sheet?
They're going to be removed from the character sheet/builder unless you homebrew them. That said, most are being upgraded and the ones that are being significantly changed are the ones with text heavy effects rather than something like Fireball where the sheet itself offered most of its utility for spells. People are making a lot of noise, but it's well out of proportion to the actual effect this is going to have.
At this point it is safe to say people are referring to them being removed from the tool set not the compendium.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I'm glad you agree that content is being removed. Hopefully PsyrenXY will too.
They're not removed from there either. If you pick the spell "Flame Strike" on your cleric, it will still show up both places.
So, after the switchover I will be able to go on my Druid and cast the spell Conjure Animals, summoning 8 beasts? Or will that spell have been removed?
Will I be able to add Feeblemind to my wizard, or will that have been removed?
The old text of Conjure Animals is in the SRD which is in Creative Commons, so if you want to summon 8 beasts you still can. Neither the character sheet nor the character builder summon 8 beasts.
The article itself tells you what name they changed Feeblemind to in case your DM somehow gets confused. It's still the same spell.
Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Yes, Conjure Animals will be in the character builder.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
You can select the Conjure Animals spell for your character.
I'll take that avoidance as you conceding the argument. As demonstrated, we are losing content. Thank you for your time.
Well, you definitely can't see the effect you're describing, since that's not how the number progression works. But to address the point you're so archly driving at, as has been said several times, the PHB 2014 version of the spell won't be linked to the character sheet/builder anymore. Now, for the old conjure spells that's a complete nonissue, given there's this handy trick called "bookmarking" you can use to quickly bring up the info on either the website or the app. Handily, this feature works for every entry; if for some reason you absolutely must use the 2014 version of a spell where you need to roll dice, you'll need to manually select that pool. Should take maybe 30 seconds on the outside. So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
So the content I have purchased *will* be removed/lost from the character builder?
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work. Just because it is a brain dead task does not mean it is not a slog to work through. I do not look forward to doing the same for magic items. If I can pay Beyond $100 bucks to archive all the copies for me, I would do so.
And for users who want to keep the links working as well to achieve the same level of functionality before the update, it will be an even bigger pain in the ass. I am not going down that route, as preserving the copies is enough for me since I mostly utilize the database. And even if a person has the time to fix all the links, there are links that cannot be rerouted, like links in the adventures.
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You aren't losing content, your 2014 books will still be there. Thank you for your time.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
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